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I'm really curious as to how Kaep thinks change is going to occur.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:33
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Proud Christian Mom posted:I'm really curious as to how Kaep thinks change is going to occur. Trick question he didn't have that part figured out because athletes are idiots
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Nov 14, 2016 21:33
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Itt a collection of mostly white upper middle class college educated dudes telling a hyper rich mixed race guy the way he chooses to advocate for an oppressed class is invalid because he chooses to not participate in said oppressive system (through the minor agency it grants him as a means of projecting a false sense of self determination) I think most of us are saying that the way he advocates is incredibly good and awesome and that we support much of his protest. We also disagree with his stance on this one matter. I don't know if any of us posted that he has invalidated all of his other points with one bad opinion; I know I never voiced that. If someone else did voice that you should quote his post and call him out instead of building up this ridiculous "with literally everything Kaep has said ever or against him" strawman you're getting ready to burn. weird Asian candy posted:Counterpoint. There were actual people who voted for a dead gorilla in this election... pubic works project posted:15,000 of them!! Nope. http://www.snopes.com/harambe-15000-votes/ When you have 100 million votes some of them will be frivolous, but I'd focus more on the 1 million idiots who voted for an anti-vaccer.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:34
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Ah, right, my bad. Kaepernick and the underprivileged yutes he's mentoring. They're the future of the GOP. What was I thinking that's just more votes for Trump.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:35
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Proud Christian Mom posted:I'm really curious as to how Kaep thinks change is going to occur. My guess would be he A.) believes it cannot be changed and has taken on a philosophy of disengagement. B.) He's a literal Marxist who believes violent revolution is our only savior.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:37
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Where's that tweet about getting mad when black people express their politics in ways you don't like Voting is the foundation stone for political action. So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others. Let us march on ballot boxes until the salient misdeeds of bloodthirsty mobs will be transformed into the calculated good deeds of orderly citizens. quote:A.) believes it cannot be changed and has taken on a philosophy of disengagement It's basically this. He thinks the process is rigged (it is), and that you can't change the system from within (it takes a lot of work, time and coordination), so why bother participating in it. Coldforge fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 21:39
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Chichevache posted:I think most of us are saying that the way he advocates is incredibly good and awesome and that we support much of his protest. We also disagree with his stance on this one matter. I don't know if any of us posted that he has invalidated all of his other points with one bad opinion; I know I never voiced that. If someone else did voice that you should quote his post and call him out instead of building up this ridiculous "with literally everything Kaep has said ever or against him" strawman you're getting ready to burn. You're right! I confused the meltdowns in here for a different thread. People voted for a (not actual) anti vaccer because there's always a subset that doesn't see a moral obligation to compromise. Hillary didn't lose because of those people.
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I don't know what is in Kaepernick's mind, but tons of black Americans have become disillusioned from the voting process due to the fact that institutionally racist policies are supported by both major political parties in America. Of course there are ballot referendums like the death penalty and parolee ones in CA, those are a good place to make a difference (compared to hoping that Clinton actually does something to reform our police system), and it's a shame Kaepernick didn't vote for those but whatever, he still does a lot of good stuff.
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Coldforge posted:Voting is the foundation stone for political action. So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others. Let us march on ballot boxes until the salient misdeeds of bloodthirsty mobs will be transformed into the calculated good deeds of orderly citizens. lt was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making. And what a good president we have.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:46
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Gynecolojustice posted:it's a shame Kaepernick didn't vote for those but whatever, he still does a lot of good stuff.  this is where I stand.My biggest complaint about him not voting is that a lot of idiots will use it as an excuse to ignore everything else he says. That choice is on the idiots and not Kaepernick, but it does disappoint me that he opened himself up to that criticism. I think the more "publicly aware" (bleh) would have been to ignore the question or just say "I don't believe in either candidate strongly enough to endorse them".
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Jonathan Fisk posted:lt was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making. And what a good president we have. Going to be really interesting to see what happens to the 1964 Civil Rights Act over the next few years.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:19
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Jonathan Fisk posted:lt was the black man's vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we're making. And what a good president we have. Agreed, Obama is a great president, but the next four years are going to turn a potential Harry S Truman into a Ulysses S. Grant. I am very sad.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:31
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I don't even know what he wants anymore. The poo poo he's asking to happen is flatout impossible without voting. That or an actual, physical revolution, but taking a knee during a sporting event isn't exactly a strong way to spur people to action Prozach fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 22:46
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Prozach posted:I don't even know what he wants anymore. The poo poo he's asking to happen is flatout impossible without voting. Fisk implied that Kap is following some of Malcolm X's advice in his "The Ballot or the Bullet" speech. Which is, I think, "A ballot is like a bullet. You don't throw your ballots until you see a target, and if that target is not within your reach, keep your ballot in your pocket." (which could be interpreted as "if the candidate you want isn't available, don't vote") But that's a speech that needs to very much be put in context, and especially that section of the speech, as he was partially putting pressure on Johnson to get the Civil Rights Act passed in the face of Dixiecrat obstruction. "f the black man in these Southern states had his full voting rights, the key Dixiecrats in Washington, D. C., which means the key Democrats in Washington, D.C., would lose their seats. The Democratic Party itself would lose its power. It would cease to be powerful as a party. When you see the amount of power that would be lost by the Democratic Party if it were to lose the Dixiecrat wing, or branch, or element, you can see where it's against the interests of the Democrats to give voting rights to Negroes in states where the Democrats have been in complete power and authority ever since the Civil War ... That's why, in 1964, it's time now for you and me to become more politically mature and realize what the ballot is for; what we're supposed to get when we cast a ballot; and that if we don't cast a ballot, it's going to end up in a situation where we're going to have to cast a bullet. It's either a ballot or a bullet. ... Lyndon B. Johnson is the head of the Democratic Party. If he's for civil rights, let him go into the Senate next week and declare himself. Let him go in there right now and declare himself. Let him go in there and denounce the Southern branch of his party. Let him go in there right now and take a moral stand -- right now, not later. Tell him, don't wait until election time. If he waits too long, brothers and sisters, he will be responsible for letting a condition develop in this country which will create a climate that will bring seeds up out of the ground with vegetation on the end of them looking like something these people never dreamed of. In 1964, it's the ballot or the bullet." It's a hugely important speech, and everyone should read or listen to it. To answer you directly, I think Kap is still finding his particular answers, it's just unfortunate that he's doing it on a very public stage. Coldforge fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 23:06
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Coldforge posted:Fisk implied that Kap is following some of Malcolm X's advice in his "The Ballot or the Bullet" speech. Which is, I think, "A ballot is like a bullet. You don't throw your ballots until you see a target, and if that target is not within your reach, keep your ballot in your pocket." (which could be interpreted as "if the candidate you want isn't available, don't vote") But that's a speech that needs to very much be put in context, and especially that section of the speech, as he was partially putting pressure on Johnson to get the Civil Rights Act passed in the face of Dixiecrat obstruction. Thanks for posting that. Malcolm owned, and he might be my favorite civil rights activist of the 20th century. 
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Coldforge posted:It's a hugely important speech, and everyone should read or listen to it. To answer you directly, I think Kap is still finding his particular answers, it's just unfortunate that he's doing it on a very public stage. This is a great point and that's a great speech. If Kaep had some kind of coherent plan for leverage it would be one thing. And it's weird, because it became clear that he had put a lot of thought into his protest and minimized the ammo he gave to his critics.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:41
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gently caress it, Evans is my new Sit Hero.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:44
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Chilichimp posted:gently caress it, Evans is my new Sit Hero. What if he also didn't vote
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Gynecolojustice posted:What if he also didn't vote He didn't.
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Chilichimp posted:gently caress it, Evans is my new Sit Hero. Kaep is still mine. Plus the way his fro sticks out the back of his helmet is cool. Looks like an old school neck roll.
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Gynecolojustice posted:What if he also didn't vote He's my sit hero because the reason he won't stand anymore resonates with me. Also, he's the best player on my fantasy team.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:18
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if a bucs player is the best player on your fantasy team, you are not going to win your league.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:20
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TBeats posted:if a bucs player is the best player on your fantasy team, you are not going to win your league. Lmao have you seen the numbers Evans puts up?
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I understand how Kap feels because I felt pretty disenfranchised and I'm not even a minority. But there's still downticket races, even in California, and propositions, and simple fact is, vote is speech. Passing up speech is passing up a chance to protest, and I figure if you're going to kneel, you need to kneel with your vote to and make it as loud as possible, even if it's a vote of no confidence in both systems. So, I understand his cynicism, but disagree heartily without demonizing him as an idiot or anything like that. He's reckoning with his identity. We all are. It's not something that ends with, "Trump bad, racism bad," that's for drat sure.
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pubic works project posted:Lmao have you seen the numbers Evans puts up? Yeah. And if he's the best player on your fantasy team you're not going to win your league.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:36
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Coldforge posted:He didn't. But, wait, isn't Evans's protest entirely about how Trump got elected? But he didn't vote for any other candidate? Trump winning was pretty unexpected so I guess I can buy the claim that he didn't think worst case scenario was going to happen, but that kinda shows why you need to engage with the process in the first place. It's more understandable than Kap's position I guess is what I'm saying.
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Prozach posted:But, wait, isn't Evans's protest entirely about how Trump got elected? But he didn't vote for any other candidate? http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/mike-evans-wrote-on-instagram-he-didnt-vote-in-election/2302766 quote:mOn Tuesday, as the nation waited for election results between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, fellow Bucs receiver Louis Murphy posted a question on Instagram: "Who voted? Who didn't?" Mike Evans, using his official account that has 277,000 followers, posted a comment saying "No" in response. 
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pubic works project posted:Lmao have you seen the numbers Evans puts up? He is literally my 4th best receiver after Dez Bryant, O'Dell Beckham, and Tyler Eifert. I'm in a 12 man PPR league with fellow TFFer Flikken. Coldforge posted:http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/mike-evans-wrote-on-instagram-he-didnt-vote-in-election/2302766 
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Chilichimp posted:gently caress it, Evans is my new Sit Hero. Pretend "Subzero" was "Sit Hero" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSZ25ikUKVY quote:Here is #Bucs WR Mike Evans' statement that was just sent to me: I want to start by apologizing to all the U.S. military members, their families, and the fans who I offended by my actions on Sunday. It was never my intention as I have tremendous respect for the men and women who serve our country.
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Nov 15, 2016 16:30
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All our heroes are dead
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Nov 15, 2016 16:50
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Chris James 2 posted:All our heroes are dead They're not my heroes.
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incompetent posted:They're not my heroes. You're not Chris James "our". 
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Nov 15, 2016 17:05
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I guess this goes here.ESPN posted:Five NFL players on Tuesday traveled to Capitol Hill to discuss police brutality and race issues with members of Congress, including a possible meeting with Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. Good for all of them. Good for McCown.
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incompetent posted:They're not my heroes. Hey, yo, gently caress your heroes.
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God Goddammit Colin http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article114803073.html
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