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She told me to watch my tone. I felt like I was raped. Raped.
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Nov 14, 2016 06:54
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To be clear I think Steve Price and the The Project are both terrible, but its the exact mentality that has got Trump elected: Shout down anyone who isn't a supporter of the left without giving them a chance to discuss the issues and insult them and call them names for their opinions instead. Its easier/funnier but its not necessarily going to change anyones mind. Honestly, the left seems to get by on the smell of its own farts at times, purely because of how smug they get from putting poo poo on anyone that doesnt agree with them. BTW the petition is also terrible. he wasnt bullied but Steves opinion wasnt even considered because it goes against the leftist rhetoric The Project is getting recognition for thanks to Waleed getting a gold Logie. Kill them all, basically.
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Nov 14, 2016 07:11
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It's loving rich of him to complain about being interrupted when he responding to a comment clearly directed at someone else.
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Nov 14, 2016 07:16
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Laserface posted:To be clear I think Steve Price and the The Project are both terrible, but its the exact mentality that has got Trump elected: Shout down anyone who isn't a supporter of the left without giving them a chance to discuss the issues and insult them and call them names for their opinions instead. Its easier/funnier but its not necessarily going to change anyones mind. Maybe if they don't like being shouted down they should stop being wrong. 
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Starshark posted:She told me to watch my tone. I felt like I was raped. Raped. Tone arguments ITT.
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Nov 14, 2016 08:01
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Laserface posted:To be clear I think Steve Price and the The Project are both terrible, but its the exact mentality that has got Trump elected: Shout down anyone who isn't a supporter of the left without giving them a chance to discuss the issues and insult them and call them names for their opinions instead. Its easier/funnier but its not necessarily going to change anyones mind. You're right. We should just roll over and give the bigots what they want.
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Nov 14, 2016 08:24
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Laserface posted:To be clear I think Steve Price and the The Project are both terrible, but its the exact mentality that has got Trump elected: Shout down anyone who isn't a supporter of the left without giving them a chance to discuss the issues and insult them and call them names for their opinions instead. Its easier/funnier but its not necessarily going to change anyones mind. Or someone pulled Price up to point out something that was going to invalidate everything else he was about to say. He then cracked a fit and refused to engage in anything else (except to talk about how he was being victimized) because he's a big baby that has no interest in discussing issues and only wants to push his opinions.
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Nov 14, 2016 08:52
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guys guys remember that ~tone~ is important
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Nov 14, 2016 09:10
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Remember that one time Steve Price had that really funny meltdown on Q&A That was Steve Price right?
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Nov 14, 2016 09:10
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Recoome posted:Remember that one time Steve Price had that really funny meltdown on Q&A Link!
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Nov 14, 2016 09:12
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Has anyone noticed the progress of the 'Fairer Paid Parental Leave' bill? Parliament site says the second reading in the HoR got moved but I don't know what that means. Moved to when? The next sitting? There's a petition going around atm in support of not passing the bill but I'm not overly hopeful of that being of any use.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:13
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So far Trump as US president has: - All but killed the TPP - Killed Malcolm's scummy refugee swap deal - Spooked Labor enough to do something about 457 visas
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Nov 14, 2016 09:28
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Cartoon posted:If foreign worker= 457 visa then a few points to note. I don't really want to make a big deal out of it because I'm ambivalent with regards to overseas workers. I was just pointing out that where they are filling a local skills (or willingness!) gap then removing them from the pool of available labour will lead to short term distortions in the market, and those distortions need real long term solutions. If it's skilled or educated labour, then some rebalancing of the local education market. If it's just a willingness thing then I'm sure offering higher pay will coax some lazy kids away from their Ataris or whatever they use these days. The rorting and abuse of overseas workers under the radar of the law is a completely different beast and I agree it needs to be stopped regardless of the cost. The downside is the argument that burning out backpackers on farms has the effect of suppressing food prices so the moment we stop doing it, prices will go up and probably businesses will go broke. Those are the sort of businesses that should go broke though.
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Nov 14, 2016 09:47
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Starshark posted:Link! ok wasn't so much of a meltdown but this was close https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2016/jul/12/qa-steve-price-and-van-badham-clash-over-eddie-mcguire-saga-video
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Nov 14, 2016 09:52
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For the less economically trained among us, is there a reason why government can't subsidize food to keep the price down, but allowing wages to go up?
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Nov 14, 2016 09:54
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Starshark posted:For the less economically trained among us, is there a reason why government can't subsidize food to keep the price down, but allowing wages to go up? Not really, it's just that the effectiveness of these programs usually comes down to the complexity of their implementation. Do you subsidise fresh food only? All food (including fast food)? How does it interact with other policy goals like helping people eat healthier? Offering a blanket subsidy also provides discouragement for keeping food prices down. It's a lot easier just to provide people with either the cash in the form of mincome or a wage subsidy (ugh) or something like the food stamp program in the USA, except you can bet that the introduction of food stamps will carry with it the same stigma that it has over there. Worth noting as well that the USA has the same thing going on with overseas labour suppressing food prices. Here's a nice link showing the effect from a few years ago: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#c21d7b5404a6
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:So far Trump as US president has: And spread a powerful idea about the need for a public ubiquity of ancient hindu symbolism https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/798048876150173696
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Nov 14, 2016 11:29
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TPP is done and gone, though, which is neat Bring on much worse!
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Nov 14, 2016 11:44
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Les Affaires posted:I don't really want to make a big deal out of it If it's just a willingness thing then I'm sure offering higher pay will coax some lazy kids away from their Ataris or whatever they use these days. Les Affaires posted:Not really, it's just that the effectiveness of these programs usually comes down to the complexity of their implementation. If you really didn't want to 'make a big deal out of it' not spouting A Current Affairs talking points would be a fabbo place to start. What's wrong with improving both the ease of training and work conditions for needed jobs? Importing cheap fill ins also distorts the market. That it distorts it in ways that keep prices depressed helps nobody in the long run. I can't help but feel I already made these points. Maybe I'm not being clear.
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Nov 14, 2016 12:01
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I think you'll find the source of our problems are Millenials, reffos, muzzies, and dole bludgers
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Nov 14, 2016 12:08
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The Peccadillo posted:TPP is done and gone, though, which is neat They'll just implement it piecemeal. They are very very patient and can wait Trump & co out.
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Nov 14, 2016 12:12
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Laserface posted:To be clear I think Steve Price and the The Project are both terrible, but its the exact mentality that has got Trump elected: Shout down anyone who isn't a supporter of the left without giving them a chance to discuss the issues and insult them and call them names for their opinions instead. Its easier/funnier but its not necessarily going to change anyones mind. like I posted before my ban (hi cartoon) if anyone wants to actually discuss a different viewpoint they should get a fair hearing if they even try to justify their position if they can't be bothered to do this (and conservatives generally don't) they can piss off
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Word cloud for October: 2016: JFMAMJJASO 2015: JFMAMJJASOND 2014: JFMAMJJASOND 2013: AMJJASOND Highlights from last month's thread: ewe2 posted:Literally the inner-city lefty latte sippers meme applied to a section of people. Some of this is definitely regional too, which is probably halfway to being as far gone. This is how the Right faction come up with for Brandis is that his attempt to get a sneaky reg in to make him the clearing house for advice gets disallowed but nothing else. No one gets done for misleading the Parliament these days. Recoome posted:Wow are you telling me that the speculation is a great example of a sprawling shithole, especially on the workload side of Brisbane is ~extremely~ multicultural, and there's definitely a subsect of white Australians who aren't happy with it. Sure, it totally may not be racially motivated, but there's definitely extremist rhetoric WRT a "Muslim Invasion" and really anyone who is brown and has a beard. Terrorism has been "ruled out". The 48 year old Muslim guy. Cartoon posted:Here's a clue Mr Pyne. Maybe stop performing human rights abuses and the lovely flagship performances on Race, Laura Gnawed Her and Foreign Affairs. They also have had a mandate for Workchoices too. How did that work out for him again?
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Nov 14, 2016 12:20
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MR WORKERS
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Nov 14, 2016 12:22
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Needs more First Dog. Here's how it's done!
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Nov 14, 2016 12:27
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Nov 14, 2016 12:36
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hosed Policy. Yeah that about sums up Perth alright.
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Nov 14, 2016 12:38
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I'm really happy to see Blob Barton talking about 457 visas. It's a joke how few roles there are that actually require employers to check if there are local workers available. Lesaffaires cracking down on the rorts or at least forcing local content checks before offshoring work isn't going to create a skills shortage.
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Nov 14, 2016 12:40
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Greens vote? Gross!
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Nov 14, 2016 12:44
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Named come rates, guys. Service Bob.
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ewe2 posted:They'll just implement it piecemeal. They are very very patient and can wait Trump & co out. That is not how international trade deals work at all. The Trans Pacific Partnership is gone. The TPP was more than a decade in the making and negotiations and counter-negotiations, and it is kaput (for the best, unless we don't turn left and just do it again) The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 14:37
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All they need to do is call the the TTPP - Trump Trans-Pacific Partnership and promise to put his face everywhere, dicator style.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:10
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lol if anyone actually believes Trump was elected because liberals and the left call people racist and sexist. At most he was elected because that was the only campaign strategy used.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:44
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i for one think we should encourage people to be even more openly racist and bigoted and think this will lead to a healthier discourse and stronger democracy shine on you crazy diamonds!
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Nov 14, 2016 17:58
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Was this the seed (heh) of the recent conversation about farm labour or just neat timing http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-15/fruit-supplier-to-coles-woolworths-using-illegal-foreign-workers/8023570 quote:Fruit supplier to Coles and Woolworths using illegal foreign workers
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Nov 14, 2016 23:33
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Heaps of restaurants around Sydney exclusively hire international students, paying as little as $7/hr cash, and the students are desperate for those jobs because the 20hr limit means they have no alternate way of legally working.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:47
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How could America elect a racist like Donald Trump? *pays coffee club workers 7 dollars an hour and threatens to send them back home if they work too slow* I just don't understand the systematic racism in America! *does blackface on Hey Hey its Saturday* It was just a joke you bloody yank!
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G-Spot Run posted:Was this the seed (heh) of the recent conversation about farm labour or just neat timing But paying those workers proper wages will mean a price spike! Bring back slavery, it is the only way to make Australia great again. I know there has always been a sniff of it about us but is Australia fast becoming the South Africa of SEA? Birdstrike posted:like I posted before my ban (hi cartoon)
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 but capitalism is goooooood
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