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VibrantPareidolia posted:Horikoshi made some mockups of custom Nike shoes based on the characters and they're pretty cool! Horikoshi a best. 
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I do hope we'll see some villain redemptions, like in any good, idealistic superhero story. It's already been set up that this will be Deku's win condition against Shiggy, but it'd be nice to see a few other villains switch over. Toga seems way, way too far gone, and All for One is a living incarnation of evil in the same way All Might is a living incarnation of good, so they're probably out, but Dabi, Twice, Spinner, and even Stain seem like they're at least distant possibilities.
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Nov 12, 2016 13:22
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It'll be Endeavor.
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Darth Walrus posted:I do hope we'll see some villain redemptions, like in any good, idealistic superhero story. It's already been set up that this will be Deku's win condition against Shiggy, but it'd be nice to see a few other villains switch over. Toga seems way, way too far gone, and All for One is a living incarnation of evil in the same way All Might is a living incarnation of good, so they're probably out, but Dabi, Twice, Spinner, and even Stain seem like they're at least distant possibilities. Heck, Stain could be argued to still be a hero in an ideological sense, if a zealot, and I doubt all these villains embracing evil is really what he wanted to inspire with his actions. I suppose it will have to depend on how he handles aqll these people turning to villainy because of their "hero."
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resurgam40 posted:Heck, Stain could be argued to still be a hero in an ideological sense, if a zealot, and I doubt all these villains embracing evil is really what he wanted to inspire with his actions. I suppose it will have to depend on how he handles aqll these people turning to villainy because of their "hero." Yeah honestly Stains such a weirdly core character to the villain movement that I really feel like we need to see more of him. He's probably not too happy about All for One and the villains uniting and I want to see how he reacts to the news about All might. Luckily he's rooming in the same prison as All for One so we might get to see All might meet with him for a bit.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:12
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Don't forget, Stain was planning on killing Shigaraki after finishing his business in Hosu. His ideology wasn't that heroism is bad, just most of the current heroes themselves. He wanted heroes to be better and dedicated to stopping evil, not seeking glory or riches. He'd be livid to learn that he's being used as a symbol of new villainy, rather than bringing about a change in heroics. He'd also be devastated by the loss of All Might, really. I wonder if we'll see his reaction to that.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:31
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Gyges posted:The restrictions on the use of quirks seems to be a double edged sword. Yes, you can't just have people X-Mening all over society willy-nilly. However, the restrictions do make it tough for kids with odder or more esoteric quirks to really develop their powers. As a result, people's powers have a greater impact on their personalities than their personalities have on how they use their quirks. This makes me wonder if we're ever going to get to see a third 'faction' of people rise up from this era of uncertainty. People dissatisfied with the world they live in limiting what they could naturally do. Similar to the villains where they're at odds with the government/society that forced them to conceal or limit their own natural talents but not as unhinged as most of the villain groups seem to be. It's a really interesting plot and a cool take on the genre being set up here where the villains/antagonists are all people either hosed up by their powers because the systems in place couldn't help or people that see the flaws inherent to the current age of heroes and government oversight and are suffocating under those restraints but it seems a little unbalanced to have all the people in the latter category to all be dangerous monster people who murder and meld people to tires. I guess the Vigilantes manga could fill this role but that's not written by the same author and isn't part of the main story which is where that kind of thing needs to be. What I guess I'm asking is where's the not completely crazy era Magneto for this setting?
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Last Celebration posted:It could just be that her quirk doesn't care about how she ingests the blood, so she could have just started out accidentally transforming after a blood transfusion as a kid. Some people suspected she was a biter kid back in her early age.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:This makes me wonder if we're ever going to get to see a third 'faction' of people rise up from this era of uncertainty. People dissatisfied with the world they live in limiting what they could naturally do. Similar to the villains where they're at odds with the government/society that forced them to conceal or limit their own natural talents but not as unhinged as most of the villain groups seem to be. It's a really interesting plot and a cool take on the genre being set up here where the villains/antagonists are all people either hosed up by their powers because the systems in place couldn't help or people that see the flaws inherent to the current age of heroes and government oversight and are suffocating under those restraints but it seems a little unbalanced to have all the people in the latter category to all be dangerous monster people who murder and meld people to tires. I guess the Vigilantes manga could fill this role but that's not written by the same author and isn't part of the main story which is where that kind of thing needs to be. Twice is eyeing some dudes that fit your description to be honest. We'll see where the story takes us and im excited as hell
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Wild Horses posted:Twice is eyeing some dudes that fit your description to be honest. We'll see where the story takes us and im excited as hell I don't know about that. They're dressed as plague doctors and talking about how everywhere they look everyone is sick. They seem kind of just a different flavor of crazy evil than the VA is.
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Nov 12, 2016 21:22
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despite being all dramatic about it, they were still just robbing other criminals.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:despite being all dramatic about it, they were still just robbing other criminals. I kind of like the somewhat implied network of secret criminals who have existed for years and are now having to deal with all the upstarts reacting to the fall of All Might.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:24
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I wonder what the time frame for that Vigilantes spin-off will be. Will it be while All Might is still active or afterwards?
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Nov 12, 2016 22:28
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Assuming it doesn't get canceled after six chapters, I expect they'll cover it after their first major story arc--can't get too deep into the changes happening out in the world without Horikoshi covering it first. (Well, they could but I don't think they will. In my experience, manga spin-offs don't take a lot of risks.)
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:despite being all dramatic about it, they were still just robbing other criminals. I think they're probably people who've been inspired by Stain, but who have a slightly better idea of what he thought than the VA's new recruits. They still seem like crazy murderers, but that's perfectly true to who Stain was. Their line about how everyone is sick certainly sounds like something he might say.
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VibrantPareidolia posted:Horikoshi made some mockups of custom Nike shoes based on the characters and they're pretty cool! Gimme that Tsuyu shoe so I can pretend to be reppin Jamaica.
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Jo Joestar posted:I think they're probably people who've been inspired by Stain, but who have a slightly better idea of what he thought than the VA's new recruits. They still seem like crazy murderers, but that's perfectly true to who Stain was. Their line about how everyone is sick certainly sounds like something he might say. Yeah, they came off as weird vigilantes or an extremely odd hero group to me, rather than regular criminals.
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They did kinda take the stolen money though.
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Vengarr posted:They did kinda take the stolen money though. Maybe they're just Libertarians
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whoa there, all they did was murder and rob some people. they weren't nearly terrible enough to be libertarians.
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Roland Jones posted:Don't forget, Stain was planning on killing Shigaraki after finishing his business in Hosu. His ideology wasn't that heroism is bad, just most of the current heroes themselves. He wanted heroes to be better and dedicated to stopping evil, not seeking glory or riches. He'd be livid to learn that he's being used as a symbol of new villainy, rather than bringing about a change in heroics. I might be reaching but didn't he casually mention wanting to knock AM's block off for being complacent in all this?
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ConanThe3rd posted:I might be reaching but didn't he casually mention wanting to knock AM's block off for being complacent in all this? No. Stain was All Might's biggest fan and wanted to be killed by him, because he thought he was the only real hero. Also. I don't think Stain would be super against all the new villains popping up. Like he wouldn't be glad of it or anything but he'd be more preoccupied with the fact that now that All Might's dead there's no true heroes any more and the rest should all loving die. Especially with Endeavor as the new number 1.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:No. Stain was All Might's biggest fan and wanted to be killed by him, because he thought he was the only real hero. This is where I remind everyone that Stain wore his mask to conceal massive, horrific burn scars.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:No. Stain was All Might's biggest fan and wanted to be killed by him, because he thought he was the only real hero. Ah. Right. Yeah it had been a while since he had anything major to contirbute.
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The more I think about it, the more I like Twice's quirk, because it's clearly absurdly powerful, but it falls just barely short of what you really want it to do, because it basically just creates an actual person. From the "Use it for Evil" perspective, he tried the Multiple Man thing, and he found out that: 1) Your clones don't have any kind of inherent loyalty to you, the original 2) Your clones (probably) still need to eat and sleep. 3) You can't dismiss them at will. It's easier to kill them than a non-clone, but you still need violence. And that all adds up to a clone revolution. From a more legitimate money-making perspective, you still run into the problem that you're just making more people. Unless you're willing to murder all the clones at the end of the day (and the clones aren't going to like that), you don't just have an instant workforce or something, because you still need to feed and house all of these guys. Really, the best use I can think of is finding some exceptional people (who have to be pretty drat altruistic), and copying them a bunch of times over, and that's still a vulnerable system. And Twice himself is a really interesting guy; it's really humanizing to see his normal-rear end morning in his grungy apartment. I'd read his solo miniseries.
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If he had used Twice on All Might before he got his injury, that would have been useful.
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So Twice's cloning works differently on himself than others? I feel like I remember there being a limitation when cloning others where he can only create one clone at a time, and I seem to also remember that maybe the person who was cloned knows what their clone is up to (not sure about this part)?
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Ytlaya posted:So Twice's cloning works differently on himself than others? I feel like I remember there being a limitation when cloning others where he can only create one clone at a time, and I seem to also remember that maybe the person who was cloned knows what their clone is up to (not sure about this part)? Nothing was said about him being limited on numbers of clones. (Though given his experience with them he may just not want to make too many of them.) But the person who is cloned knows when a clone is destroyed.
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I believe Twice can only make one duplicate of something at a time. Infinite clone recursion would only work with Twice since the clones could all clone themselves once. Though I guess even that would have a limit if the damage needed to wipe them out goes down proportionally. Eventually they wouldn't even be able to take a flick.
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I think the 'One Clone at a Time' thing might be less a hard limit and more that Twice isn't about to go down that particular road again anytime soon.
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Twice seems like he can make one clone of a person, and that clone has the original's quirk. If he cloned himself, that clone can make other clones. Which is what happened. It's not that confusing.
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Fabricated posted:Twice seems like he can make one clone of a person, and that clone has the original's quirk. It even shows that in the panel when he's explaining it.
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The Lord of Hats posted:The more I think about it, the more I like Twice's quirk, because it's clearly absurdly powerful, but it falls just barely short of what you really want it to do, because it basically just creates an actual person. From the "Use it for Evil" perspective, he tried the Multiple Man thing, and he found out that: You also forgot to mention that every clone is created as a copy of himself including memories (speculating here), meaning they don't necessarily have knowledge of themselves being a clone unless they were told they were a clone. Even the newest clone would inherit all the memories of creating all of the clones in succession and the only people who have more certainty of being the original are the clones at the beginning because they might not be around to see the latest few being made. It's not even a matter of "loyalty to the original" because each clone would believe with complete certainty that they are the original.
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Didn't Dabi ask Twice to make two clones of him to go after Aizawa back in the Camp arc? Or am I misremembering that/thinking of a scanlation error?
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:Didn't Dabi ask Twice to make two clones of him to go after Aizawa back in the Camp arc? Or am I misremembering that/thinking of a scanlation error? It seems pretty clear that he can only make one clone at a time.
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Eej posted:You also forgot to mention that every clone is created as a copy of himself including memories (speculating here), meaning they don't necessarily have knowledge of themselves being a clone unless they were told they were a clone. Even the newest clone would inherit all the memories of creating all of the clones in succession and the only people who have more certainty of being the original are the clones at the beginning because they might not be around to see the latest few being made. It's not even a matter of "loyalty to the original" because each clone would believe with complete certainty that they are the original. I have to point out how drastically this alters some scenes during the lodge attack. All of Dabi's clones that got killed by Eraserhead were self-aware humans, not remote-controlled automatons. That means Dabi was willing to die just to gently caress with UA a bit/hold down the pro heroes.
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Vengarr posted:I have to point out how drastically this alters some scenes during the lodge attack. All of Dabi's clones that got killed by Eraserhead were self-aware humans, not remote-controlled automatons. The clone also could have just not understood what was going on; it might have thought it was still the original and just remote-controlling the clone body or something. Wouldn't have known it was really going to die until the end. Still though, yeah, the latest chapter casts those past ones in a darker light. Twice's power is hosed up.
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Eej posted:You also forgot to mention that every clone is created as a copy of himself including memories (speculating here), meaning they don't necessarily have knowledge of themselves being a clone unless they were told they were a clone. Even the newest clone would inherit all the memories of creating all of the clones in succession and the only people who have more certainty of being the original are the clones at the beginning because they might not be around to see the latest few being made. It's not even a matter of "loyalty to the original" because each clone would believe with complete certainty that they are the original. I dunno it actually seemed like his clones listened up to a point, and it's never actually stated if the clones have the memories or not because we don't know if he's a clone, remember he got stabbed in the head he may not be a reliable narrator.
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