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Tatum Girlparts posted:
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Of course some people came out for trump because bigotry but i suspect many of them voted R anyways because of the dog whistles
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Nov 15, 2016 01:47
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Who's doing this? pretty much everyone doing the whole 'this is Joe, he's a Trump voter and he's not a racist, please be nice to Trump voters they're actually all very good people who just got a little confused  ' act?
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Nov 15, 2016 01:47
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Venom Snake posted:this is so dumb: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/hillary-clinton-defeat-republicans-trump-comey The Guardian is centrist liberal garbage 
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Nov 15, 2016 01:49
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Who's doing this? the mrmcd guy above for one we can talk about how to form a new progressive politics to excite voters and bla bla bla without this weird 'don't talk about racism' angle
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Nov 15, 2016 01:50
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:The Guardian is centrist liberal garbage The sad weepy WP equivalent in the UK.  Why can't we have another Tony Blair to lead the country to greatness.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:50
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Part of the problem is that Republicans really do just fall in line. That's a problem for the Dems. Dems gotta work harder to deliver their base than Republicans do. Luckily, their base is larger. e: corollary is we can't just shame Republicans into switching sides or not voting. Doesn't work. All this rah rah nationalism military american exceptionalism crap at the convention didn't do poo poo.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:50
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https://twitter.com/WPJohnWagner/status/798325590562639881
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Nov 15, 2016 01:52
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Peel posted:the mrmcd guy above for one Yea that was was what I was trying to get at in way too many words. We absolutely need to excite voters and the best way to do that is with a message that appeals to the working class, but we can't pretend excitement was the only issue when actually it was just one ingredient in a rich soup of failure and humiliation that we all have to drink from.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:53
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The white working class should get a mention and advocacy as a group, this should not come at the expense of other groups.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:53
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I real socialist would have tried to prop up Borders  (wait are there any left? Did they fully die yet?)
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Nov 15, 2016 01:54
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I real socialist would have tried to prop up Borders I believe they did, yes.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:54
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Borders still exists in Malaysia, I saw them myself.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:55
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still really glad we all wished trump wouldn't have a concession speech ever we all really hosed up there
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Nov 15, 2016 01:55
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Tatum Girlparts posted:pretty much everyone doing the whole 'this is Joe, he's a Trump voter and he's not a racist, please be nice to Trump voters they're actually all very good people who just got a little confused Post a quote Tatum, otherwise you're talking out your rear end
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Nov 15, 2016 01:57
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea that was was what I was trying to get at in way too many words. We absolutely need to excite voters and the best way to do that is with a message that appeals to the working class, but we can't pretend excitement was the only issue when actually it was just one ingredient in a rich soup of failure and humiliation that we all have to drink from. Its not calling out racism that is bad, it is acting like people from rural areas are dumb hicks who just won't get with our enlightened way of living. Racism isn't a rural thing racism is prevalent in every area at every income level believe it or not.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:59
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Peel posted:the mrmcd guy above for one "...to excite voters and blah blah bla" Are you loving mocking the way we have to go forward? Because if you don't like the combined planks of economic populism (first and foremost) and social justice then you're gonna keep losing elections like the one we just had. And please post the quote where someone said or reasonably implied that "we can't talk about racism"
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Nov 15, 2016 02:02
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Nov 15, 2016 02:02
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Peel posted:the mrmcd guy above for one A lot of those people also voted for Obama so ... ??? I'm not saying that we should be racist, or you shouldn't be personally disgusted by racist people. I'm saying the only thing Trump shows is a) racism still exists and b) the Republican base does not give them any meaningful electoral penalty for being racist. Hurling disgust at racists on the internet can be cool and good on a moral and emotional level but does not fix the problem of "how do we win elections". Lots and lots of racist people have been voting for the other side since forever. Of those 6 million Obama voters that "evaporated" only a fraction "rematerialized" for Trump.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:02
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Zythrst posted:Its not calling out racism that is bad, it is acting like people from rural areas are dumb hicks who just won't get with our enlightened way of living. Racism isn't a rural thing racism is prevalent in every area at every income level believe it or not. I don't argue that at all? In fact the fact that racism is all around is what makes minorities so jumpy about this poo poo in the first place. It starts as stuff like 'hey man we just want school choice for EVERYONE right?' and quickly morphs into 'also maybe we should give these specific schools a leg up because that'll make it easier to get the white support' and then woops Sam Bee and her husband are literally telling people black people shouldn't come to their kids' school in New York!
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Nov 15, 2016 02:02
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I like the fact that bernies face on the zipper opens up to reveal another Bernie face 
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Nov 15, 2016 02:03
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JUST ANOTHER NEW YORK ELITIST AM I RIGHT LADIES?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:03
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I hope he unzipped it real slow so the second Sanders face just gradually emerged from the first.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:04
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bernie is cool and good and angry and teaching a new generation it's okay to spit fire and that's cool and good too 
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Nov 15, 2016 02:05
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"Would you vote for me?" "I'd vote for me"
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Nov 15, 2016 02:06
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I don't argue that at all? In fact the fact that racism is all around is what makes minorities so jumpy about this poo poo in the first place. It starts as stuff like 'hey man we just want school choice for EVERYONE right?' and quickly morphs into 'also maybe we should give these specific schools a leg up because that'll make it easier to get the white support' and then woops Sam Bee and her husband are literally telling people black people shouldn't come to their kids' school in New York! I really don't know anything about your personal life or anything, but may I ask if you're a minority?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:07
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Post a quote Tatum, otherwise you're talking out your rear end Tatum setting up a strawman and then smugly knocking it down? It couldn't be.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:08
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Don't doxx me pls
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Nov 15, 2016 02:09
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Thoguh posted:Tatum setting up a strawman and then smugly knocking it down? It couldn't be. It's really weird to hear people say "I was wrong about everything" and then continue to do the exact same poo poo that cost us the most important election of our lifetimes.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:10
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Thoguh posted:Tatum setting up a strawman and then smugly knocking it down? It couldn't be. Tantrum gonna tantrum
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Nov 15, 2016 02:10
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I'm the first/next by the time I post this [I'm the thing or amusing situation in the pic]-type of post regarding this pic
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Nov 15, 2016 02:11
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I'm pretty sure every single human being on the planet was aware Trump is a racist piece of poo poo by election day. So please tell me what you think the strategic mistake was re: racism that isn't just despairing at the human condition.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:11
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front and reverse of the same moment
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Nov 15, 2016 02:12
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Nov 15, 2016 02:14
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Thoguh posted:Tatum setting up a strawman and then smugly knocking it down? It couldn't be. I guess it's just the general trend of acting like anyone saying 'actually a lot of trump voters were racist as gently caress' somehow is going against what needs to be done? I dunno man I've seen a lot of pushback in a lot of different places to people saying Trump's campaign and support had a lot of bigotry to it. The idea that somehow a trump dude saying a racist thing and saying racism was a factor in a poo poo load of trump voters are both equally wrong to do, that's what I'm talking about I guess.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:15
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Based Bernie.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:16
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Nov 15, 2016 02:17
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:"...to excite voters and blah blah bla" i'm speaking casually in the politics fyadlite quote:And please post the quote where someone said or reasonably implied that "we can't talk about racism" well ok: mrmcd posted:Hillary Clinton is not president because she ran a bad campaign that lost a key portion of the Democrats' base, not because of racism, woke twitter kids, or Lena Dunham. here we have 'racism' as trivia of as much relevance as twitter kids and celeb gossip. this isn't what he meant, as he explained above, but it's a natural reading which both i and tatum took however here's a guy from early in the thread being explicit that race isn't important and we shouldn't talk about it: Jonny 290 posted:just ignore race. talk about class. talk about income brackets, shut up about 'poor whites' and 'poor blacks' because that is dogwhistling anyways my sincere judgement and that of several others is that well-meaning left-wing people can have a bad habit of slipping into minimising race due to an excessive focus on a deracialised idea of the 'working class,' and this would be bad both in itself and as a political strategy, so we're going to warn against it if it feels like it's popping up again
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Nov 15, 2016 02:17
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peak c-spam drunken nihilism rite there 
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Pomp posted:bernie is cool and good and angry and teaching a new generation it's okay to spit fire and that's cool and good too
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