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thechosenone posted:Also, What are the chances Trump doesn't even know That Breitbart's founder is Anti-Semitic? What are the odds Trump doesn't know what 'anti-Semitic' means? Trump is honestly so ignorant about literally everything that Democrats may have an opportunity to pull him left on some issues if they play their cards right. You don't need to be a Republican to talk to a Republican President.
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thechosenone posted:Also, What are the chances Trump doesn't even know That Breitbart's founder is Anti-Semitic? Enough that I consider him changing his mind to not be impossible.
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thechosenone posted:I'm just really wondering, Do we have any record of how leftward posters on SA reacted when Bush was elected? I would like to know if our reactions here have any connection. It was a whole different thing then. Bush was predicted to be bad (some posters even predicted he'd start wars) but on the whole there just wasn't anything like the same level of split. He was seen as bad but not as cataclysmically bad. AS to the present, never forget we did get enough people to vote him out. Just not in the right places.
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My Linux Rig posted:If the future is automation, then I'm glad I have an it job A robot will be able to do that too, and you will find yourself voting for Ivanka Trump 2030 once it happens.
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Fojar38 posted:Trump is honestly so ignorant about literally everything that Democrats may have an opportunity to pull him left on some issues if they play their cards right. You don't need to be a Republican to talk to a Republican President. Obama's basically staying on around him for a bit as a "don't gently caress up" adviser. thechosenone posted:Also, What are the chances Trump doesn't even know That Breitbart's founder is Anti-Semitic? What are the odds Trump doesn't know what 'anti-Semitic' means? Ah, the David Duke defense.
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thechosenone posted:Guys? guys? Seriously, I'm wondering, if Trump is no more dangerous than any other Republican president to the health of our democracy, is it possible that he might shake one or two things up for the better compared to an alternative GOP candidate? According to the NYT, Kasich was offered the Veep job by Donald Jr as being in charge of domestic and foreign affairs while Donald Sr. would be busy with the nebulous job to "Make America Great Again". So at best, we'll have a W and Cheney situation with a possibly even more ignorant president who's also a huge bigot will be manipulated by the same guy who signed the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" in his home state. Trust me man, we're hosed.
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Instant Sunrise posted:SA had a center-right lean to it in the early bush years. D&D had a hard-on for libertarians for much of the Bush years IIRC. I think somewhere during the second term began a clear leftward shift.
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BlueBlazer posted:I'm pretty sure there is enough dirt on Trump to get him fo-real impeached on day 1. I actually disagree that Pence is worse than Trump. Pence is bad but he's bad within predictable bounds and he's not painfully ignorant and stupid.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:58
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Paradoxish posted:Software development is like 100% guaranteed to suffer at the hands of automation just like every other job, but this is also pretty silly. Developers right now have a stupid low unemployment rate and stupid high median wage compared to the general population. It's not going anywhere as a good job for a while. Don't know what to tell you my dude I've literally worked for two high-profile software development agencies in the last two years that have switched their workflow to Pakistani development with a couple of domestic programmers running QC. It's still easy money and that wasn't a thing as far as I know three years ago, but it definitely is now 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I actually disagree that Pence is worse than Trump. Pence is bad but he's bad within predictable bounds and he's not painfully ignorant and stupid. I disagree that he is not painfully ignorant and stupid.
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Hollismason posted:I disagree that he is not painfully ignorant and stupid. Ok, let me rephrase: Pence is aware of what NATO is and thinks we should remain within it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, let me rephrase: Pence is aware of what NATO is and thinks we should remain within it. I will concede that Pence does know that we are in the United States of America and he is a human being Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Don't know what to tell you my dude I've literally worked for two high-profile software development agencies in the last two years that have switched their workflow to Pakistani development with a couple of domestic programmers running QC. It wasn't a thing as far as I know three years ago, but it definitely is now, at least in my subfield I don't doubt it, I'm just saying that offshoring isn't a trend that's being reflected in any industry wide statistics (software development is actually a better industry to be involved in now than it was three years ago, even). Programmers have been freaking out about this for like literally two decades and somehow most still find work. Automation is probably a bigger threat over the long term.
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Fojar38 posted:Not every Republican is a literal theocrat and there's a reason why they cloak all their socially regressive policies in "states rights." It's because they know that enacting things nationally is impossible. Except now they control all three branches of government and enough state legislatures to enact a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage
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Paradoxish posted:Software development is like 100% guaranteed to suffer at the hands of automation just like every other job, but this is also pretty silly. Developers right now have a stupid low unemployment rate and stupid high median wage compared to the general population. It's not going anywhere as a good job for a while. Software design automation replacing software development may happen at some point, but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon. Obviously much simpler jobs will be automated first.
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free basket of chips posted:Regarding automation, when do you guys think we'll fully transition into a post work society? When we start putting plutocrats' heads on pikes.
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Fojar38 posted:Trump is honestly so ignorant about literally everything that Democrats may have an opportunity to pull him left on some issues if they play their cards right. You don't need to be a Republican to talk to a Republican President. Trump has been a Democrat in the recent past, and his stated positions have been all over the place politically for decades, he's got the politics of a New York City salesman on his fifth beer and could've made a passable blue dog free basket of chips posted:Regarding automation, when do you guys think we'll fully transition into a post work society? Depending on where you live, we already have. If you mean 'when will we have a society where you aren't expected to work to live', not in the foreseeable future. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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rscott posted:Except now they control all three branches of government and enough state legislatures to enact a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage No, they don't.
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I, for one, believe that America's first gay Vice President, Michael Richard Pence, deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to succeed.
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BlueBlazer posted:I think this was the GOP's plan B in getting Pence to be the VP fall guy. Whoever hedged in that strategy meeting is an evil genius. At this point I think the best we can hope for is infighting that delays their agenda such that they don't get too much done before a Dem win in 2018 gets control of the Senate/House, which allows for stonewalling until hopefully taking the presidency back in 2020. Fojar38 posted:Not every Republican is a literal theocrat and there's a reason why they cloak all their socially regressive policies in "states rights." It's because they know that enacting things nationally is impossible. My secret hope is that they don't get rid of the filibuster so they can blame Dem opposition for why the stuff they know is deeply unpopular outside the core base can't pass. rscott posted:Except now they control [...] enough state legislatures to enact a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage I thought they were still a few short of this?
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My Linux Rig posted:Software design automation replacing software development may happen at some point, but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon Yeah, for what it's worth, I don't really mean fully automated development when I say "automation." Better tools and more productive programmers are just going to naturally reduce demand over time and leave less available work for people without highly specialized skill sets.
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Benny the Snake posted:manipulated by the same guy who signed the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" in his home state. Trust me man, we're hosed. Pence is a real piece of poo poo who actually knows how the system works and what levers need to be pulled to bring back the Inquisition. Trump will just just try and hit the big red button, his hands are too small though, cant hit ctrl+alt+del on the keyboard.
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Suckthemonkey posted:D&D had a hard-on for libertarians for much of the Bush years IIRC. I think somewhere during the second term began a clear leftward shift. i thought the libertarianism didn't come in until later with PRON HAUL once people started realizing that iraq was an endless clusterfuck.
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President Pence would have absolutely zero popular mandate by the way and Trump's supporters would flip their poo poo so hard they'd never vote again.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If Trump plays the role of a really awful Blue Dog I say we got off lucky as gently caress. Not with the people he's appointing we won't. Almost everything we've accomplished in the last six years was through executive orders and departments. Strokes of the pen here, lovely appointments there - and they're really lovely appointments, too - and we're back to the depths of the Bush years and on a downward spiral.
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thechosenone posted:Also, What are the chances Trump doesn't even know That Breitbart's founder is Anti-Semitic? What are the odds Trump doesn't know what 'anti-Semitic' means? Breitbart's founder was Andrew Breitbart. He died a couple years ago. Steve Bannon is the guy who took over and his is like an uber-Pat Buchannan who believes that immigration is white genocide and that international Jewry cause economic collapses on purpose to create a one-world government.
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https://twitter.com/ap/status/798332268884488192 How much better would this be than Bolton getting it? I wonder why Newt isn't getting it.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, for what it's worth, I don't really mean fully automated development when I say "automation." Better tools and more productive programmers are just going to naturally reduce demand over time and leave less available work for people without highly specialized skill sets. True, that has been happening for a long time, but you could say that for almost any profession. What I meant was the replacement of an entire work force with automation. That stands a chance of happening to some warehouse jobs in the next few decades.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I actually disagree that Pence is worse than Trump. Pence is bad but he's bad within predictable bounds and he's not painfully ignorant and stupid. Depends on your perspective. I have a number of LGBT friends who would beg to differ. Being predictable is no comfort when what you can predict with certainty is that he wants to ruin your life.
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Lowly posted:Depends on your perspective. I have a number of LGBT friends who would beg to differ. Being predictable is no comfort when what you can predict with certainty is that he wants to ruin your life. Yeah, that's fair. Basically Pence is almost certainly better on foreign policy than Trump but very likely to either just as bad or worse than Trump on domestic policy.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/ap/status/798332268884488192 Wait what? That doesn't make any sense, I didn't even realize Giuliani wanted the job.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/ap/status/798332268884488192 On the one hand, no crazy loving neoconservatives in charge of foreign policy and no AG who wants national stop and frisk. On the other hand, "Never forget 9/11!" will be the only thing any of our diplomats are allowed to say in a year.
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Lightning Knight posted:On the one hand, no crazy loving neoconservatives in charge of foreign policy and no AG who wants national stop and frisk. On the other hand, "Never forget 9/11!" will be the only thing any of our diplomats are allowed to say in a year. Rudy is a crazy neo-conservative though. He is equally crazy on Iran and maybe slightly less crazy on Russia and Venezuela.
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Hollismason posted:I disagree that he is not painfully ignorant and stupid. look, we're in a situation where Trump passing a trillion dollar infrastructure bill which he then proceeds to just grift the entirety of into Trump-run enterprises would count as a not-worst outcome Pence is just merely terrible in comparison
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rudy is a crazy neo-conservative though. He is equally crazy on Iran and maybe slightly less crazy on Russia and Venezuela. Maybe it's aimed at people worried Trump is soft on Russia
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:look, we're in a situation where Trump passing a trillion dollar infrastructure bill which he then proceeds to just grift the entirety of into Trump-run enterprises would count as a not-worst outcome I'd rather a thief than a zealot
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Lowly posted:Depends on your perspective. I have a number of LGBT friends who would beg to differ. Being predictable is no comfort when what you can predict with certainty is that he wants to ruin your life. The fact of the matter is that the GOP is in power and is stuffed to the gills with huge assholes, both in Congress and in the White House. Any leadership changes are lateral improvements at best. Hope is a lie, etc.
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