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Drone posted:I mean, that literally is how recess appointments work. I think George didn't realize that, though. Or maybe he did. It was sort of a vague tweet regarding whether or not he thought that his suggestion would somehow be permanent after January. Also, yes. Star Trek 
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Nov 11, 2016 09:41
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Jesus christ, people are always so eager to find some excuse to crucify shatner. He just spent the evening making fun of people who misinterpreted his tweet about loving Toblerone. I also think he was keeping score of how many indignant commenters didn't know he's Canadian and can't vote.
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Nov 11, 2016 10:40
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Yo, how does that fancy Twitter embed work. https://twitter.com/RikerGoogling/status/796900689783816192
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Nov 11, 2016 10:41
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Drone posted:Yo, how does that fancy Twitter embed work. Just a matter of copying the specific Twitter URL link and posting it straight up, no tags.
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Nov 11, 2016 10:43
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mossyfisk posted:He just spent the evening making fun of people who misinterpreted his tweet about loving Toblerone. I also think he was keeping score of how many indignant commenters didn't know he's Canadian and can't vote. I feel like I need to follow Shatner because him arguing with people on Twitter in the wee hours about a Toblerone bar sounds sorta funny.
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Nov 11, 2016 10:45
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That sounds like something Trump would do.
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Nov 11, 2016 15:23
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Have you *seen* what brexit did to toblerone bars? That's woth some 5AM tweets IMO
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Nov 11, 2016 17:43
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It when from lookin like dragons teeth to spike strips Never realized toblerones were anti vehicle devices rendered in chocolate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toblerone_line How did I never hear of this! Sash! fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 18:35
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Because if you read the article you'd see it's the other way around.
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Nov 11, 2016 19:04
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Cojawfee posted:Because if you read the article you'd see it's the other way around. quote:It has been suggested that the distinct pyramidal shape of the bar lent its name to the Toblerone line, a series of anti-tank emplacements prevalent in Switzerland's border areas.[15] However, the Toblerone brand was trademarked in 1909, at the Swiss Federal Institute of Intellectual Property in Bern.[7] ... Well. That sure cleared that up
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Nov 11, 2016 21:20
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I was just making a remark like "they sure do look like dragons teeth" then found out ha someone else saw that too
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Nov 12, 2016 00:16
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Can I just contribute to this perennial thread topic: TOS "The deadly years" is not a good episode. About half the episode's runtime is a trial for Captian Kirk being too old for command, and Kirk getting bitchy over Spock's "betrayal' add that into some ex-GF of Kirk having a GILF-fancy and it's pretty darn weird I guess this was the price we paid for "The Doomsday Machine" ALso: the joking at the end of the episode thing strikes me as inapprops sometimes Like in "the doomsday machine", or "the changling" where billions die offscreen
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Nov 14, 2016 01:29
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Honestly the joke at the end of the episode is one of the biggest things I miss from TOS.
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Nov 14, 2016 04:35
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Nebakenezzer posted:Can I just contribute to this perennial thread topic: TOS "The deadly years" is not a good episode. You could write that kind of thing off as gallows humor if you wanted, but it's a problem that still exists in modern film and television to a large degree. Unless the byword is drama, people just do not have time to grieve or so it seems. I put the blame on writers who want to raise the stakes but who don't care to put any work into doing it. Seriously though, drama is cheap and fills time like nothing else. You are already paying the actors, get your money's worth. There is almost never a situation where the show or movie will be all that much better for going over budget but there is always room for solid acting. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 04:40
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The Deadly Years sucks, it's slow as balls and the aging makeup jobs are almost across the board terrible. I would prefer to watch any other Trek episode with magic aging bullshit. Even Counter Clock Incident
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Nov 14, 2016 04:53
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So I'm nearly through season 3 of enterprise. Where did the Suliban go? The whole first season is super focused on them and how they are being used by future-people to hurt humans and other races. Then we get the whole Xindi plot, which is exactly the same but with better aliens? Why did they restart the exact same plot but with different aliens? And after this it's going to be nazi poo poo? mama mia
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Nov 14, 2016 05:48
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The one suliban guy shows up later.
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Nov 14, 2016 05:50
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Kirk & company saw planets get wiped out like every other week. If they didn't develop some dark humor about it, the horrors they've seen would probably break their minds.
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Nov 14, 2016 05:55
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Baronjutter posted:So I'm nearly through season 3 of enterprise. Where did the Suliban go? The whole first season is super focused on them and how they are being used by future-people to hurt humans and other races. Then we get the whole Xindi plot, which is exactly the same but with better aliens? Why did they restart the exact same plot but with different aliens? And after this it's going to be nazi poo poo? mama mia Even better, to this day I cannot pinpoint the exact spot in the episode they travel through time. Still bugs me. Like at one point they are flying with their new Xindi buds, and are like "smell ya later!" and they split, and when the Enterprise reaches Earth it's somehow 1940. No slingshot, no wormhole, just "oh, at some point we travelled back in time a few centuries!" 
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Nov 14, 2016 06:12
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remusclaw posted:You could write that kind of thing off as gallows humor if you wanted, but it's a problem that still exists in modern film and television to a large degree. Unless the byword is drama, people just do not have time to grieve or so it seems. I put the blame on writers who want to raise the stakes but who don't care to put any work into doing it. I really liked that moment in Children of Men when Clive Owen finally gets a breather after a long chase sequence and just breaks down for a few seconds after his friend Julianne Moore gets shot in the head, that little touch of vulnerability and naked humanity just makes things that much more authentic.
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Nov 14, 2016 11:45
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Yeah, a lot of TOS endings really undercut the effect of the episode. The line at the end of Metamorphosis about how now they have to find some other woman to stop the war just makes me cringe. It's just the most blatant case of papering over a plot hole (something they often used these stingers for) and is completely the wrong tone for what the characters just experienced. There's something very Old TV about having the characters sum up the plot and close with a joke. It feels like the product of a more theatrical and less naturalistic approach to TV drama.. Of course, there are modern examples -- like, I'm not sure what all those cop shows would do if they couldn't close on a bad one-liner -- but in general our Golden Age of Television has a lot less tolerance for these glib "that's a wrap folks!" endings.
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Nov 14, 2016 12:46
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Astroman posted:Even better, to this day I cannot pinpoint the exact spot in the episode they travel through time. Still bugs me. Like at one point they are flying with their new Xindi buds, and are like "smell ya later!" and they split, and when the Enterprise reaches Earth it's somehow 1940. No slingshot, no wormhole, just "oh, at some point we travelled back in time a few centuries!"
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Nov 14, 2016 14:22
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, a lot of TOS endings really undercut the effect of the episode. The line at the end of Metamorphosis about how now they have to find some other woman to stop the war just makes me cringe. It's just the most blatant case of papering over a plot hole (something they often used these stingers for) and is completely the wrong tone for what the characters just experienced. Yeah, sometimes they are just right for the episode, but in "The Doomsday Machine" Kirk is all "I hope there aren't any more of these things out there, I found one quite sufficient." [wah wah] A starship was destroyed Kirk, you were just begging a man not to kill himself [fnord][/fnord]
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Nov 14, 2016 15:55
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I think there's probably some kind of cultural shift at work there with regards to the level of pathos that is expected from sci-fi. They didn't expect people to take TOS as seriously as some of the later shows take themselves, which is pretty understandable given how goofy a show it is. Raumpatrouille is the same way, they may have fallen foul of hostile energy beings and nearly abandoned their crewmates to a miserable death but by the end of the episode they're all having a laugh and the stick-up-rear end secret policewoman is inviting the captain out for drinks. The only even roughly contemporary sci-fi I can think of that doesn't have similar sense of fun is Forbidden Planet though I'm sure someone better versed in old movies than I can think of something different. After Star Wars which, for all its comic moments, treats the basic concepts of space opera with complete seriousness, people's expectations probably changed quite a bit towards how much characters in sci-fi should be able to kick back and have a laugh about their adventures. Though TNG does it a couple times if I recall.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:14
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A lot of it is probably writers and/or producers not wanting to end on a downer note. If every episode ends with the cast sharing haunted looks and ominous music, the series could start to get depressing. I would also wonder if networks in the 60s encouraged shows to perk the viewer up at the end, to try and keep them happily watching for another hour. That said, TOS sometimes made a point of having Kirk point out at the end that someone didn't make it. Catspaw comes to mind: "Not an illusion; Jackson didn't make it."
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Nov 14, 2016 18:21
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:A lot of it is probably writers and/or producers not wanting to end on a downer note. If every episode ends with the cast sharing haunted looks and ominous music, the series could start to get depressing. I would also wonder if networks in the 60s encouraged shows to perk the viewer up at the end, to try and keep them happily watching for another hour. Definitely, this is part of the cultural difference I'm referring to. People were less willing to accept a show which has a downer every week. Now shows like Game of Thrones pull millions of viewers. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That said, TOS sometimes made a point of having Kirk point out at the end that someone didn't make it. Catspaw comes to mind: "Not an illusion; Jackson didn't make it." Yeah, but on the other hand the whole thing is a Halloween gag episode.
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Astroman posted:Even better, to this day I cannot pinpoint the exact spot in the episode they travel through time. Still bugs me. Like at one point they are flying with their new Xindi buds, and are like "smell ya later!" and they split, and when the Enterprise reaches Earth it's somehow 1940. No slingshot, no wormhole, just "oh, at some point we travelled back in time a few centuries!" If you just turn that episode off after they say goodbye and then skip to 4x03 it'll be much better. Instead of NAZIS you get a story about how much Earth has changed since they left.
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Nov 15, 2016 00:33
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As I understood it (not that it makes much sense), the Enterprise got sent to the past because Daniels, seeing no other option, attempted to prevent Archer's sacrifice by pulling him off the superweapon before it exploded. Something hosed up massively as a result, sending himself, Archer, and the Enterprise back to 1940s Earth. Re-reading what actually happened is probably just as dumb. Apparently this heretofore unknown player in the Temporal Cold War (yes, I know, redundant), the Na'khul, launched an invasion of the 31st Century via a Temporal Condiut that they built with the Nazi's assistance in an alternate 1944 because So yeah you're probably better off just skipping to 04x03 because I'm pretty sure they never talk about Nazi Aliens again. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 00:45
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The Space Nazi episodes are worth watching because they're probably the goofiest poo poo in the series, like a step away from the Calvin & Hobbes "t-rexes in F-14s" comic at one point. Also there were gangsters, and gangsters in Star Trek are always hilariously bad. It's the most ridiculous ending possible to the Temporal Cold War story, which is more than the arc deserved and probably the most that could be salvaged from the Season 3 cliffhanger/"gently caress you" from the outgoing showrunners. That said, you could edit the ending of Storm Front Part 2 over the ending of Zero Hour and it would line up just fine, all you'd be missing is the fate of Daniels and the Suliban and I don't think there's a shrug emoticon big enough for that.
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Nov 15, 2016 01:20
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Delsaber posted:The Space Nazi episodes are worth watching because they're probably the goofiest poo poo in the series, like a step away from the Calvin & Hobbes "t-rexes in F-14s" comic at one point. Also there were gangsters, and gangsters in Star Trek are always hilariously bad. If you think I'm just going to let you talk poo poo about Picard gunning down Borg with a holo-tommy gun, you best think again. 
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Nov 15, 2016 01:24
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Oh god, you guys just reminded me that they continued that Temporal Cold War bullshit in Star Trek Online and it just kept getting dumber and dumber and dumber. The only noteworthy thing is that just about everything about the war is the player character's fault on some level. Sphere Builders? Friendly Delta Quadrant aliens who got screwed over while you were playing with a replica of the Krenim Timeship. Future Guy? Krenim dude with a murder boner whose waifu was a pre-revision Sphere Builder. The Na'kuhl? The Tholians nuke their sun with a Tox Uthat and you just sit their with your thumb up your rear end despite the fact you helped save another star in the previous mission. Oh, and the crispy critter in the TARDIS pod? Kal Dano. WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:32
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Delsaber posted:gangsters in Star Trek are always hilariously bad.  Get a load of this guy, why doncha?
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Nov 15, 2016 04:55
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One of the books in the Department of Temporal Investigations series ends with the capture and "unmasking" Future Guy, and it's unintentionally hilarious because it ends up being just some random guy from the 28th century, because really who else is it going to be? The future time police characters are all like "Gasp, it was him this whole time?!", but obviously it can't be any character we as Star Trek fans would recognize because he has to be from centuries past the latest continuity we've seen. So the whole thing just falls really flat, and I can't imagine the show would have been able to pull it off any better if they'd gotten the chance because they'd be under the same limitation. Having Future Guy be a Krenim is acutally better, since at least it has a tenuous hook into existing continuity.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:55
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I just ran through the entirety of TNG (it's great background audio while you play video games!) and I thought Troi was pretty useful, all in all, even if she's the victim of some inconsistent writing. I remember a lot of complaining about her empathy just illustrating the obvious, but there are a number of episodes where nothing would get done without Troi, and more where she provides useful clues. She's also a pretty good counselor! She knows when to step up and intervene and when to listen. And a ship's counselor is part of why TNG feels so comforting, it's this big huge flying city that's insanely overcapable for just about any mission, and they all solve problems by having staff meetings and goof off on the holodeck and respond to every new alien probe and scanning beam with the same wide-eyed 'oh boy maybe THIS one won't cause problems' naivete. Of course they have a counselor!
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Nov 15, 2016 05:04
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After The War posted:
That was one weird uh... Malkovich impression?
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Nov 15, 2016 05:09
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After The War posted:
He looks like he's about to affectionately play with Quark's earlobe.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:43
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The_Doctor posted:He looks like he's about to affectionately play with Quark's earlobe. If only there was a name for that kind of thing...
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Nov 15, 2016 10:34
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TheBigAristotle posted:That was one weird uh... Malkovich impression? I thought it was Jack Nicholson, if he had been in 'of mice and men'
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skasion posted:The only even roughly contemporary sci-fi I can think of that doesn't have similar sense of fun is Forbidden Planet though I'm sure someone better versed in old movies than I can think of something different. A couple of other examples come to mind:  
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