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EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."
The Dijeh SE-R, if I'm not mistaken, shows up far more often in SRW than the original Dijeh (one of its few appearances being in Brunom's previous LP of SRW Z). Honestly, I prefer the Dijeh, the beam naginata is more distinct and interesting. That said, the SE-R is very useful in most of its appearances. As mentioned in the update, it's great in MX due to being the only real potential upgrade for Quattro, and in SRW 3, it's a perfect stop-gap for Amuro during the long stretch between the start of the game (where he's in the original Gundam) and when he receives the Nu Gundam. Fitting, given he was the Dijeh's canonical pilot. It's not quite the Sazabi or Hyaku Shiki, but I'd say the Dijeh is one of the best non-Gundam mobile suits in SRW.

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Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe
So if I'm understanding this, getting the Dijeh means that you don't get a Re-GZ correct? Kind of a shame, but the Dijeh does seem like the superior choice, because seriously, THREE S-Ranks, holy poo poo!

HiKaizer
Feb 2, 2012

Yes!
I finally understand everything there is to know about axes!
I'm not sure I'm understanding that interaction between Char and Camille there. I never saw Zeta, but it kind of feels like he's egging Char on to go start CCS which is probably not a good idea...

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -

HiKaizer posted:

I'm not sure I'm understanding that interaction between Char and Camille there. I never saw Zeta, but it kind of feels like he's egging Char on to go start CCS which is probably not a good idea...

Zeta spoilers

The speech at Dakarl: Quattro publicly comes clean as Char in a speech broadcasted worldwide challenging the Titans. The idea is that Quattro Vagina Bajeena is a pilot, but Char Aznable is a symbol. More than that, Casval Rem Deikun is a prince backed by a righteous fury and son of a man who never got his proper revolution-- one that actually mattered and meant something to spacenoids. By going back to the Quattro persona, Char appears to be giving up on taking down the Titans and instituting real societal change of any kind, instead being content to fight as another random pilot in a seemingly unending series of wars (this time against Giganos) conducted by corrupt bureaucrats. In fact, the existence of Giganos at all can be blamed on the power vacuum that Char helped create but intentionally decided not to fill, Dragonar plot notwithstanding.

Char's movement in CCA is him taking advantage of his political influence to bring an end to a grudge he'd held for a decade. Most of the characters in the film agree that Char's Neo Zeon had just motivations even if their actions were horrible.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -
in before

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

I'd argue the Dijeh is the best mobile suit in the game, for one very simple reason: It's best attack has no significant requirements, has good range, and can be spammed until the end of time. It's a unit that always hits hard on top of being very hard to hit, making it an ideal support attacker and the shield makes it a decent defender too.

IIRC the sprite is an MX original. I don't think the Dijeh (either version) was in Impact.

thetruegentleman
Feb 5, 2011

You call that potato a Trump avatar?

THIS is a Trump Avatar!

In fairness, Char was aiming to gently caress up the planet more than the people on it. He kinda gave up on the idea to go have a dick waving contest with Amuro instead though, so he still sucks. Also, genocide.

Also "Lurahn says those three EVAs are simply the precursors to a mass-produced unit": hilarious in hindsight, given the mass-produced Angels that pop up.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Alacron posted:

So if I'm understanding this, getting the Dijeh means that you don't get a Re-GZ correct? Kind of a shame, but the Dijeh does seem like the superior choice, because seriously, THREE S-Ranks, holy poo poo!
Nope. If you fail to get the Dijeh secret, IIRC, in a few stages you then get a second Re-GZ on top of the one Kamille would bring to this stage. So, the secret is basically "Do I want a very good unit that helps out a lot of pilots, or do I want a second copy of a mediocre unit that I'm probably not going to use after a while?".

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Alacron posted:

So if I'm understanding this, getting the Dijeh means that you don't get a Re-GZ correct? Kind of a shame, but the Dijeh does seem like the superior choice, because seriously, THREE S-Ranks, holy poo poo!

AradoBalanga posted:

Nope. If you fail to get the Dijeh secret, IIRC, in a few stages you then get a second Re-GZ on top of the one Kamille would bring to this stage. So, the secret is basically "Do I want a very good unit that helps out a lot of pilots, or do I want a second copy of a mediocre unit that I'm probably not going to use after a while?".

Just recorded the next mission and the Re-GZ is readily available - it's just not mentioned. I reckon I'll put Camille in the Z (since he's the only one who can do the combo with Judau and use the Waverider Crash), Roux in the Hyaku Kai and Quattro in the Dijeh.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Brunom1 posted:

Just recorded the next mission and the Re-GZ is readily available - it's just not mentioned. I reckon I'll put Camille in the Z (since he's the only one who can do the combo with Judau and use the Waverider Crash), Roux in the Hyaku Kai and Quattro in the Dijeh.
Ah, okay. So it's kind of like the MP Nu Gundam in D where it just magically pops into your roster with almost no fanfare. I've always gone for the Dijeh secret so I forget what happens when you don't get it, other than Kamille arriving with the Re-GZ as already mentioned.

Wounded Land
Nov 27, 2007
Living in a greenhouse, growing crops that we can't eat...

Gyra_Solune posted:

I wonder why that is, actually? It's oddly consistent...and it makes me wonder how exactly they make these portraits. Are they just direct rips from the actual anime? I feel like it might be, I don't think they outright redraw the characters or anything. Especially with Zeorymer stuff? Everyone's faces from that here in MX look exactly the same in J, just pixellated more (though I think they did just draw them by hand for earlier GBA games, just look at Kamille, who looks very little like Kamille)

My guess is that for modern games they either scan or trace the art from the original model sheets whenever possible, and presumably use key frames from the source series when that's not an option.
Early on, I suspect that they didn't have access to that stuff so they used promotional materials and/or merchandise, which explains why some characters have such bizarre portraits (for example, Ryu Jose in 3 had a face like a deflated football, which I'm pretty sure I saw on the cover of a children's book from the original run of Gundam).

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Good lord, it feels like half a dozen groups of assholes are sniping around the edges.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Only that few?

Montegoraon
Aug 22, 2013
It doesn't really feel like there's that many of them. Maybe it's a side effect of how easy this game is... No, W was easy too, but the story in that game made Earth feel so much more hemmed in than this.

For the moment, the Giganos are being matched by the regular military
The Martian Successors are mostly sitting around with their thumbs up their asses, not being bitch slapped out of existence only because the team apparently has more urgent things to deal with than an ongoing hostage crisis
The Tekkoryu are plain and simple just a hyper-pretentious gaggle of clowns, and not the scary kind
The Hundred Demon Army are kinda floating around in the background, looking for energy sources and making zero headway
The Mu are ???????
The Angels seem to mostly show up off screen to be killed without particular difficulty
And the Gulfer and Gyandolar show up now and then looking for the Data Weapons, but that plotline hasn't gone anywhere in a long while, so it doesn't have any real urgency either
Oh yeah, and the Vegans are also around, aren't they? Pushing their extremist diet plans on everyone, or something. Is there anyone else I've completely forgotten about?

Not that stuff isn't happening. It is. And it's cool and fun, all the cross-series interactions that are going on. I particularly liked the sparring match from this last mission. But the physical conflict with the villains seems somewhat incidental. Not that that's necessarily bad. It's different and interesting. The villain factions, not so interesting. Unless you count all the shadowy organizations that are supposedly on the team's side. I much more want to find out what's going on with them, as they feel like they could be a much worse threat in the future depending on what their agendas actually are. I'm only really familiar with Nerv/SEELE.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
To be fair, the Tekkoryu ARE scary. Just one of the Hakke Robos can easily level an entire city with a single attack.

Aen and Tau's Twin Lords attack, for instance. If they pull it off perfectly, the blast hits with gigatons of force.

The problem is that they insist on focusing on the one robot that tears through them like they're bringing an RB-79 Ball to fight Mazinkaiser...

Ashsaber
Oct 24, 2010

Deploying Swordbreakers!
College Slice

Brunom1 posted:

To be fair, the Tekkoryu ARE scary. Just one of the Hakke Robos can easily level an entire city with a single attack.

Aen and Tau's Twin Lords attack, for instance. If they pull it off perfectly, the blast hits with gigatons of force.

The problem is that they insist on focusing on the one robot that tears through them like they're bringing an RB-79 Ball to fight Mazinkaiser...

Expanding on this, one of the Hakke bots is based around missiles, in particular Nukes. Like, volleys of Nuclear Missiles, and lots of them. This is not even the strongest one.

Also, the Twin Lords got a much weaker showing here than in J, which is surprising. There at least they got a couple stages where they were a threat, and could actually use the Twin Lords move regularly, rather than a one off cutscene and then exploding.

Grizzwold
Jan 27, 2012

Posters off the pork bow!
The nuke robot was hilarious in J because they just shoved it in even though SEED was still happening so it should have just been an expensive paperweight.

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Ashsaber posted:

Also, the Twin Lords got a much weaker showing here than in J, which is surprising. There at least they got a couple stages where they were a threat, and could actually use the Twin Lords move regularly, rather than a one off cutscene and then exploding.

I got the impression that when they made MX, Banpresto still wasn't sure how to code the AI so it would actually use combo attacks. Also, of all the SRW games I've played, this is the one that's taken the deepest dive into Grendizer's story, even if there's a bit of a lull in Vegan attacks.

Inferno-sama
Jun 5, 2015

You touch my burger, and I'll slap you so hard you won't even be able to understand how you fucked up.

EclecticTastes posted:

I got the impression that when they made MX, Banpresto still wasn't sure how to code the AI so it would actually use combo attacks. Also, of all the SRW games I've played, this is the one that's taken the deepest dive into Grendizer's story, even if there's a bit of a lull in Vegan attacks.

I think that's because Grendizer is getting the focus out of the Mazinger series. In the old games, they cut quite a bit. Grendizer's only appearances after MX, correct me if I'm wrong, were Z, in which it was more or less post plot, and A Portable, a remake of Advance which cut a LOT. It simply hasn't been in enough post classic series games to get a good enough go. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's only post classic games were Advance and its remake, MX and its port and Z. I'm not sure why they didn't use Grendizer more, maybe because Mazinkaiser was popular and they wanted to get in on that. And it's unlikely to be used now since they seem to want to focus on Shin Mazinger with a bit of SKL.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Inferno-sama posted:

I think that's because Grendizer is getting the focus out of the Mazinger series. In the old games, they cut quite a bit. Grendizer's only appearances after MX, correct me if I'm wrong, were Z, in which it was more or less post plot, and A Portable, a remake of Advance which cut a LOT. It simply hasn't been in enough post classic series games to get a good enough go. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's only post classic games were Advance and its remake, MX and its port and Z. I'm not sure why they didn't use Grendizer more, maybe because Mazinkaiser was popular and they wanted to get in on that. And it's unlikely to be used now since they seem to want to focus on Shin Mazinger with a bit of SKL.

I heard a rumor that Grendizer was supposed to have returned for Z2... only Banpresto forgot about it! :v:

But with the classic series getting their newer forms into SRW (Getter Armageddon, Mazinger ZERO, Mazin Emperor G), maybe they'll eventually do something with that Grendizer Giga thing.

Montegoraon
Aug 22, 2013
Oh, I don't deny that the Hakke robots are terrifyingly powerful. Maybe they even have technically skilled pilots. And maybe that would come across if I were playing the game instead of reading the LP. I suppose they were somewhat impressive in the OVA. What I'm talking about is their strategic planning, which is execrable at best. Yeah, that's right. Execrable. I delved deep into the thesaurus on that one. They're so hung up on pretending to be noble and dignified (when they're really just haughty, squabbling losers) that it wouldn't matter if they had Saitama-level power at their disposal. They'd still lose.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
Without Akito, Ruri^2 can't track down the Successors until they start Bosson jumping again, and even if she does, she needs a plan to keep them from jumping out again.

This being SRW it'll probably be "Move the Black Selene across the map in three turns and use converse, mission failed if the Black Selene or any ships are destroyed, or if the time limit passes."

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Eris has figured out what it was that drew so many of the Data Weapons to Hoshimi over these past seventeen years. The only other special thing this town had, other than the Dendoh: Meteor. The energy of its power sources, the Meteor Cubes, is the creatures’ absolute favorite kind.
So, with that in mind, we want to use one of the things. Shibuya is a bit queasy over the thought of losing one of these since each Cube is incredibly precious; still, Vega argues we’ll lose EVERYTHING if we're beaten in the battle against the Gulfer. And now that the Giganos and Haudragon are attacking Japan, we haven’t the time to hesitate.

The plan is to snag every one of the remaining Data Weapons right here and now as a way to at least give us some control over this chaotic battle with the Gulfer. Plus, Ginga says, the Leo and Unicorn would be very lonely if we don’t get their friends all back together.
Alright, Shibuya allows us to do it and opens the Meteor Cube compartment.



The thing is pretty much the size of someone’s hand, far smaller than what Ginga and Hokuto expected – they figured I’d be even bigger then the Hyper Dendoh Batteries. Inoue cautions against judging by appearances.
It’s a mass of pure energy, as well as a conduit for energy drawn from somewhere. Truth is, there’s still loads GEAR doesn’t know about it but the point is the Data Weapons love the thing. Meteor itself also calculated a 94% chance of that being a correct assessment.
Hokuto asks if Meteor’ll stop working if we take the Cube away but Shibuya tells him not to worry: GEAR has a second one in stock. In truth, with only one of them, Meteor could function pretty much eternally.
We are in a hurry, though, so Vega calls everyone to leave quickly.



Mission 25 – Those Guided By the Light



Everyone’s in position and Vega warns everyone that the Ogre is all but certainly going to come here. We can’t let it take any more Data Weapons, so everyone’s to provide cover to the Dendoh.
Sounds good and Ryouko tells the boys to let us handle the Gulfer when they show up. Hokuto thanks her and Eris tells him and Ginga that we need to time this off perfectly – we won’t have another chance. At the signal, Ginga’s to toss the capsule with the Meteor Cube far away and, once at that, it’ll overload.
Sai asks if she means the thing’ll explode but, no, Eris says it’ll just be a strong burst of light which should lure the Data Weapons. Harry will coordinate with Omoikane and get the tracking program transmitted to target computers over the world and ready to go – once the creatures are out of their hiding spots, we’ll draw them over. By Ruri’s estimates, our window will be in another two minutes.
The alarm starts blaring right then and Harry pings the Gulfer inbound – that’s sooner than we expected.




: The Ogre… Altair!
: Hmhmhm… we’ve less nuisances than usual today, I see.
: Altair…!
: You…?! Why do you call out my…! U-Uurrk!
: My name is Vega… though that name doesn’t have any meaning now. Just as yours doesn’t!
: Hrrmm…!
: There isn’t anything that can make up for what happened to you. But the least I can do… is kill you!
: Who in blazes are you…?! Why do you make me—?!
: It’s too late to be asking that!
: !
: My only choice is to kill you… for your own sake, too!
: The likes of you killing me?! Absurd!
: Omoikane, Harry, keep a close eye on the tracking program’s transmission.
: Yes, ma’am!
: The Data Weapons will emerge in three minutes, everyone… We need to keep the enemy at bay until then! If even one of our units is destroyed, we’ll be finished!



You heard the lady – don’t lose anyone at least until the Data Weapons are brought over. No problem, really, because only Altair and his knights are a reasonable threat and they won’t move.



Both sides are pretty far away from each other, too.



Enemy Phase!



Just the little RoBeasts start approaching.



Player Phase!



Start angling your whole team east-ish as you attack whatever closes in. It’ll make your life simpler.










These Faitas RoBeasts have a rather short range.

Argo moves in and finishes the job.



Next one.














Ginga takes care of this.



The last Faitas falls to Domon and Rain, while Vega and Allenby get an Orbiton.



Enemy Phase!



A weakened Orbiton crashes and burns against Allenby, while the last healthy one goes for George.












It barely hangs on.

Altair and co are still standing by.



Player Phase!


*Alarm!

: Captain! We’ve detected the Data Weapons!
: Next is the decisive blow, then.
: Ginga, Hokuto! Throw the capsule now!
: Got it!
: Hm…? What are they up to?
: Here gooooooooes!











: Urgh! What?!













: All the remaining Data Weapons…! What is the meaning of this?!
: Yeah! It worked!
: Hurry, you two! Save all three of them!
: Right on! We just gotta get closer to them!
: I will not allow it, Dendoh!
: Stop the Ogre, everyone!
: OK! We’re on it!
: W-Wait! I’m detecting something approaching from above!
: What?!



: Ahahaha, I am in luck! No sooner do I arrive on this planet and I find exactly what I’m looking for!
: You’re Ashura… why are you here?!
: Relax, Altair. I don’t care one bit for those Data Weapons.
: What I’m after is one thing and one thing only… it is what Lord Gades has been looking for: more Hyribead. Hyribead just like that mass of energy just now!
: What…?!
: They’re after the Meteor Cube?!
: “Meteor Cube”? Its name makes no difference – what matters is figuring out where I can find it! Do as you will with those Data Weapons, Altair.
: Hmph, I intend to!

*Altair makes a beeline for the Bull Horn*

: Oh, no!
: …
: Come, Bull Horn… To me!
: File Save: Bull Horn!







*Saved.*

: drat it! He got the Bull Horn!
: I’m not letting this opportunity elude me! Now to save the other two!
: Hokuto, Ginga, quickly! If he steals both the Dragon Flare and Gatling Boar, there’ll be no recovering from this!
: O-OK!
: Hey, hold your horses. You’re not going anywhere until you tell me where to find that Meteor Cube! So how about we play together for a bit?
: Quiet, you! Get out of our way!
: Not happening. If I can get my hands on that Meteor Cube, Lord Gades’ wish will be all but granted… Which'll also make my position as the number one commander 100% secured! GWAHAHAHAHA!
: Hmhmhm…hahahahaha!!
: ?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEGbG5KBbGI
Captions forever.





: Oh, maggot that wallows in bloodstained riches and status… look upon yourself!
: The light that shows what is righteous... that is what people call a mirror!
: B-Bastard! Who are you?!



“You do not deserve to know my name!”





: Where there is darkness, there is light… Where there is evil, there is justice.
: The emissary of the heavens, Kenryuu, has arrived!
: Hrrrm… you smug insect!!
: Now I know what you’re truly after... And I will not allow this planet’s Hyribead to belong to Gades!
: Don’t make me laugh! You’ll soon be dead, that’s what!
: Did… Did that guy come bail us out again?!
: I’ll keep the Gyandolar away! Go and claim the Sacred Electronic Beasts!
: Y-Yeah!
: Everyone forward! Don’t let the Ogre reach the Dragon Flare or Gatling Boar!
: Hm! We’ll hold him at bay!



Mission Objectives: The Dendoh reaches both of the Data Weapons, all enemies destroyed
Mission Failure: Any of the Data Weapons destroyed or is reached by Altair, or if any friendly unit is destroyed.

If you haven’t been inching your way to where the Data Weapons’ spawn, you might just be screwed here: Altair can move very far and reach both of the Weapons in two moves. In truth, if you haven’t equipped the Dendoh with movement+ parts, you simply can’t outrun Altair.
Meaning you either get those parts equipped and ready a bunch of people to surround or block his path. If left to his own devices, he might well reach something – especially the Boar.



I knew this was coming, though, so the Dendoh can already reach the Dragon Flare.




: Alright, we made it!
: …
: Go for it, Hokuto!
: Right!
: FILE SAVE! Dragon Flare!







: Dragon Drive! INSTAAAAALL!!



: Now all that’s left is the Gatling Boar, Ginga!
: Yep! Leave that one to me!


The Dragon Flare is the long range attacker of the set, carrying a respectable 1-5 post-movement attack with a massive 3-9 Final Attack. Most of its weapons, except the FA, are on the weaker side compared to the Unicorn and Leo; still, if you’re far from stuff, it may mean the difference between the Dendoh getting to attack something.



Ashura
Pilot Skills:
  • Prevail L4
  • Support Attack L1
Ashura’s Voice Actor: Ryuzaburo Otomo

Same as Devil Saturn, only stronger: bulky, accurate-ish, good range and hits well. Nothing new, really.



I’ll see if I can’t draw a few Gyandolar closer to our guys. If left alone, Rom can easily kill them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT6q2GRivcs
Even the Kenryuu’s weakest attack nearly oneshots the guys.



Enemy Phase!



George kills the last RoBeast and learns Valor.



Ashura isn’t waiting around.














Ashura taking little damage from Rom: “Is this all Kirai’s son has to offer?”
Bolstered by his morale gains, Rom takes out two Kasmodons and a Zarios but leaves the rest alive.

Altair is already in position to snag the Gatling Boar next turn!



Player Phase!



And therein lies a problem because the Dendoh is a single tile away from the Boar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di0lJbkVQYI
And here’s the Dragon Flare’s bread and butter attack. Simple but you can’t argue with dirt cheap 6k damage.



So… it’s a good thing our guys were already coming this way because we’re gonna have to deploy some good old boxstrats on Altair.




: I care not for who you are… but if you’ll bear your weapon against me, then you are an enemy to destroy!
: I say the same thing! Prepare yourself, Altair!






Vega leads the way.



Chibodee and Sai take the north and east corners, destroying to RoBeast along the way.
Ruri takes west, oneshotting another.



Thank you.



We’re safe now, so let’s get back to killing whatever.










No kill, so Argo takes it and gets his Super Mode running.





Allenby and Saburouta each take a Kasmodon. Off goes George.



Not the best MAPW setup but screw it.








That’s three kills and a boost for Prevail and Sword Cut. He also learns Fury.



Rom transforms into Vikungfu. His Thunder Smash can double attack, so that’s a dead Zarios and Kasmodon. Sai pops Super Mode.



Enemy Phase!



With nowhere to run, Altair attacks.



: Let’s do this, Ogre!
: We’ll bring all the Data Weapons together right here, right now!
: Hmph. Moxie is still your sole merit, I see. Still, it is you who’ll be destroyed here! Behold your end, Dendoh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rmjXoIDeY
This thing is more of a baby dragon than anything else!
Also, if you do too much damage to the Ogre:


: Urk…! No, I cannot fall with the Data Weapons before my very eyes! HAAAAAAH!!

*Full Heal*

: Wha…!
: drat, this guy’s real stubborn…!
: Just keep stalling him! Hokuto, Ginga, go and save the Data Weapon right now!
: OK!

So, yeah, he’ll just keep on healing. If you care to set up some big support attacks or start using valor, you can farm Altair for exp and cash.



The knights Lock and Bug trade blows with Ryouko and Ruri.



Ashura does chip damage against an Iron Wall’d Rom but the mooks aren’t so lucky.








They just get countered and wrecked. Two Zarios, however, are in Rom’s blind spot.



Player Phase!



And here we go.




: …
: Sorry for the wait, Gatling Boar!
: Ginga, quick!
: Yeah, I know! Here goes!
: FILE SAVE! Gatling Boar!







: Boar Drive! INSTAAALL!!


:getin:

: Alright! That’s what I’m talking about!
: The Dendoh’s successfully saved both Data Weapons!
: Very well done, Hokuto, Ginga!
[IMG]http://lpix.org/2542414/KirakuniNormal].png[/IMG]: That’s quite the haul we got today…!
: Curses…! Then I’ll just have to destroy the Dendoh and take those Data Weapons!
: Shut it! We’ve got the Boar and Dragon on our side now, so let’s put an end to this today!
: As you wish…! And in that case!
: Bull Drive! INSTALL!!



: To arms, Dendoh!
: Come on, Ogre!


The Bull Horn’s tied with the Dragon Flare for the strongest FA of the bunch but, as far as attacks go, it’s one of the weakest ones. The thing is this one is built more as a debuff unit, with its Auto Pressure attack reducing both the target’s movement range and mobility. Its range is average.



Hmhmhm…Ahahahahahaha! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Behold, the deliverer of cheese!

The Gatling Boar is an odd one, focusing primarily on pre-movement attacks. Its File Load is surprisingly powerful, though its FA is on the weaker side.
None of that matters, though, because you only using the Boar for one thing: Clock Manager. This is a 1-5 range, EN-based, post-movement stun. Hit any enemy with it and they’ll be helpless for the entire turn.
But you may argue: all important bosses of this game have debuff immunity – Altair and Ashura do, for instance. That’s true… until Ginga takes a few more levels and learns Fury as his final spirit command. Then he can bypass that immunity. Yeah.
I’m not going to be abusing this since regular MX is simple enough as is. But, if you’re on MXP, feel more than welcome to immobilize enemies as you chip away at their inflated HP pools.



Kirakuni tops off the Dendoh for some easy exp.



Let’s take out the Gulfer knights as a couple of them have some goodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scjnxpZIFVI
I am Error, indeed.


Following George’s support, Sai moves to finish Bug off.












Three left.



These give out midboss exp, boosting Sai’s Sword Cut and Counter.


Took you long enough, eh?


Saburouta leaves Error on its last legs and Argo takes it down.



On the kung-fu side of town, Domon’s oneshotted a Zarios and set up a team attack on Ashura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUZcbR_2YC8
ACHAAAAAAA!
Also, ow.



That wasn’t a nice thing to do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCU3zPmhrV8
STORM KICK!
If you haven’t noticed, Rom has a ton of different names for his initial kick. Wanna bet how many?



Ashura can’t believe the top ranked commander would be beaten. Away he goes.


Enemy Phase!



I got real lucky here. Took a sideway glance and thought Altair was using File Load and decided to counter with mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRfWK9Xwyoo
Nope! He decided to bust out his FA right then and there. It’s a good thing Dendoh dodged an 84% hit because I’ve the sinking feeling a max-EN FA from Altair would’ve been a kill.



The knights are prioritizing the Nadesico but Ruri can handle that sort of attention.














Both are quite weak now, easy kills for Ryouko and Saburouta.
The rest of our team makes a beeline for Altair.




: What lies behind that mask, Altair?
: What’s that supposed to mean, Domon Kasshu?
: Now that we’ve crossed fists, I’ve come to realize… Your present self is a lie, bound by someone...!
: Idiocy! I am Altair, Captain of the Gulfer Imperial Guard!
: Then my fists will shatter your mask of deceit!











: You’re pretty dang good, fella! I’m surprised to see that aliens got fighters like you!
: My thoughts exactly! You are worthy of falling to my hand!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edi4eOdJBVA

: Hrm…! This thing… it’s as strong as the Bolt Gundam?!
: Impressive…! It’s not everyone who can withstand the Ogre’s power!











: You are quite skilled! Earth is to be respected for being home to this many warriors!
: If you understand that, then you ought to pull out your men and head back to your planet!











: Hah… I’ve the advantage over this guy when it comes to speed!
: Is that a fact? Your proud feet may as well be standing still face the Ogre’s turbines!













: Get us closer, Kirakuni! We might understand more about the Data Weapons if we can collect some data from the Ogre!
: This is crazy, Eris! All that guy needs is one clean hit to wreck the Cell Fighter!







: I’ve fought many Gundams since coming to this planet but… to think there’d be one which looks like this…!
: The fact that you can’t appreciate the Nobel’s good looks shows that you’re way too uptight!







Let’s finish this off with style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YNDWiTATqA
:thurman:



When it looks like Altair’s got his back against the wall, he suddenly starts writhing in pain. The Ogre surges with energy, recovering itself again, as a voice speaks in Altair’s head: “The moment your sealed memories return will be the moment you perish. Altair… I cannot allow you to die just yet.”
The Ogre vanishes into thin air, and we’re left wondering what the hell just happened. Vega is very sad over this turn of events.

Notable goodies today were a Super Alloy Z and a High Spec Radar.



That’s this operation ending with relative success, though Vega is worried about our other teams. We need to meet up with them ASAP. As for Rom, Domon asks if he wouldn’t like to come with us.
He might, eventually, but Rom says he has something he needs to confirm first. Vega asks him what is that Hyribead he was talking about but Rom doesn’t answer, quickly running off.
:qq:

Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Mar 4, 2017

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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Dendoh (GB) is literally the most busted unit I've seen in a SRW game, and that includes Valzacard.

The big thing is that Ginga gets natural Counter, and Counter in MX isn't RNG-based. He just automatically counters the first (up to) 4 enemies that attack every turn. With Stun Shot. But it does more damage. And it's EN-based. And Dendoh can recharge its EN without using fuel tank parts. And he learns Fury/Pierce. And Dendoh's not finished upgrading.

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."
I was unaware that Fury disables status immunity on bosses, it never even occurred to me. That's just insane. Is that the case in the rest of the franchise (the ones with status effects, anyway)? Because if so, I've been drastically undervaluing Fury.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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EclecticTastes posted:

I was unaware that Fury disables status immunity on bosses, it never even occurred to me. That's just insane. Is that the case in the rest of the franchise (the ones with status effects, anyway)? Because if so, I've been drastically undervaluing Fury.

That's literally the primary use of Fury, since bosses are the only enemies that have status immunity 99% of the time.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

EclecticTastes posted:

I was unaware that Fury disables status immunity on bosses, it never even occurred to me. That's just insane. Is that the case in the rest of the franchise (the ones with status effects, anyway)? Because if so, I've been drastically undervaluing Fury.

I never tried it in Z or W since the folks I usually debuffed with didn't learn Fury (and/or I forgot to check). But I know for a fact that it works in all OG games from all the times I armor broke, stun shotted and mind blasted with Rai and Leona.

vvv Edit: Debuff/Cheesemind.

Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Nov 15, 2016

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Dec 25, 2002

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Between this simultaneous post and your last edit being simultaneous with my last post, I'm beginning to think we're karmically connected, Brunom.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

One of my greatest pleasures in OG2 was getting the Wild Wurger L, put Leona in it, and then use Fury-Stun Shock against any boss I found.

I'd call it cheap, but man, OG2 asked for it. I also really like cheap strategies.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

I will forever remember Hyribead as High Libido thanks to the Mneidengard translation.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

GimmickMan posted:

I will forever remember Hyribead as High Libido thanks to the Mneidengard translation.

To be fair, High Libido would be ハイリビドー while Hyribead, a completely made up word, is ハイリビード.

And I can totally see High Libido being energy in something made in the style of Daimidaler... but not in Machine Robo.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

Brunom1 posted:

To be fair, High Libido would be ハイリビドー while Hyribead, a completely made up word, is ハイリビード.

And I can totally see High Libido being energy in something made in the style of Daimidaler... but not in Machine Robo.

In a game already featuring Neon Genesis Evangelion, where Destrudo is an actual technobabble term, I can see someone reading that as High Libido. The description of Hyribead kind of sort of makes sense with that translation IIRC, which doesn't help.

Still merits a chuckle though.

Grashbar
Aug 17, 2014

EclecticTastes posted:

I was unaware that Fury disables status immunity on bosses, it never even occurred to me. That's just insane. Is that the case in the rest of the franchise (the ones with status effects, anyway)? Because if so, I've been drastically undervaluing Fury.

I do wish Fury worked that way in UX and BX. Especially UX and Fei-Yen HD. All-Cancellers in UX/BX ignores Fury, and Fei-Yen HD is very much a debuff support.
Then again who needs support when you have Demonbane.

1second edit: And it just occurred to me that I may be severely misremembering on account of it being ages since I last played UX. Corrections very welcome.

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

Yeah it's kind of a shame there's no Stun Shot in Moon Dwellers.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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Grashbar posted:

Then again who needs support when you have Demonbane.

To this day, I'm convinced that the Shining Trapezohedron glitch was intentional.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
So, just to cement my place as a person who has terrible taste, does anybody else get Mountain of Faith flashbacks every time Dendohs theme plays?

Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


Broken Loose posted:

To this day, I'm convinced that the Shining Trapezohedron glitch was intentional.

It really was just too perfect that the two meeting without a clear victory crashed the game.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Ardeem posted:

So, just to cement my place as a person who has terrible taste, does anybody else get Mountain of Faith flashbacks every time Dendohs theme plays?

Which theme are you thinking of?

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Brunom1 posted:

Which theme are you thinking of?

The Gensokyo the Gods Loved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjbNGgL8p8

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Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
Maybe I haven't heard it enough but I don't see where that theme is similar to W-Infinity... :shrug:

Or are you talking about the insert song we haven't gotten yet? I can see it there.

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