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Tatum Girlparts posted:I guess it's just the general trend of acting like anyone saying 'actually a lot of trump voters were racist as gently caress' somehow is going against what needs to be done? I dunno man I've seen a lot of pushback in a lot of different places to people saying Trump's campaign and support had a lot of bigotry to it. The idea that somehow a trump dude saying a racist thing and saying racism was a factor in a poo poo load of trump voters are both equally wrong to do, that's what I'm talking about I guess. No one is doing this. Otherwise, Post the quote. Stop beating around the bush. No one is pushing back. You have an imaginary victim complex lol
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Nov 15, 2016 02:20
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or, as would have been better strategy, our candidate could have actually made a better pitch than "i'm not trump."
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Nov 15, 2016 02:20
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AHungryRobot posted:Based Bernie. Is he really sayin Resist or what im not gettiny audio
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Nov 15, 2016 02:21
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Holy gently caress Jess McIntosh blaming "internalized misogyny" for Hillary's loss. On All In. (sign in required unfortunately :/ ) http://www.msnbc.com/now
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Nov 15, 2016 02:21
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:When is the Keith Ellison interview? I don't think MSNBC is showing it? It just ended a bit ago.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:21
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Zythrst posted:It just ended a bit ago. Got a tl;dr?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:22
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:No one is doing this. Otherwise, Post the quote. Stop beating around the bush. No one is pushing back. You have an imaginary victim complex lol Peel posted:i'm speaking casually in the politics fyadlite I mean there's these. "Stop talking about race" is a really loving poor solution that will only screw over minorities to appeal to people who probably won't switch sides anyway. I'm sorry I'm not combing the thread for pages of examples when I'm talking about a more general trend that exists beyond SA?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:24
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Got a tl;dr? Grass Root, populist message, going to bring everybody together by addressing everybody needs.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:25
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Tatum Girlparts posted:
Hey maybe instead of telling them to 'shut the gently caress up' you explain why it's isn't actually the mexicans or the blacks and you run a platform that helps everybody instead of acting like that is some kind of impossible thing. It's not the 30's anymore, we don't have to explicitly exclude minorities for social stimulus.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I guess it's just the general trend of acting like anyone saying 'actually a lot of trump voters were racist as gently caress' somehow is going against what needs to be done? I dunno man I've seen a lot of pushback in a lot of different places to people saying Trump's campaign and support had a lot of bigotry to it. The idea that somehow a trump dude saying a racist thing and saying racism was a factor in a poo poo load of trump voters are both equally wrong to do, that's what I'm talking about I guess. Trump got fewer votes than Romney. Clinton lost because despite the other guy being a racist con man she still failed to present a case to the electorate outside of the Northeast and big cities on the West Coast that was sufficient for enough of them to vote for her rather than stay home of vote for Johnson/Stein. So focusing on the racists is pointless because they're never going to vote for a Democrat. Focusing on the people who feel abandoned by the economy and government can gain votes.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:26
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Tatum Girlparts posted:This is a good start, but when even Sanders is talking about 'white working class' the anxiety grows.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:28
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean there's these. "Stop talking about race" is a really loving poor solution that will only screw over minorities to appeal to people who probably won't switch sides anyway. I'm sorry I'm not combing the thread for pages of examples when I'm talking about a more general trend that exists beyond SA? Talk about it sure, but talk about in a way that isn't like 'get good you racist rear end in a top hat', but rather, 'Hey your wrong about Mexican migrants and here's why, and also here is why you've been told that it was there fault'
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crazy cloud posted:Is he really sayin Resist or what im not gettiny audio Some smug douchbag: "can you make it out to capitalism, the greatest economic system on earth?" Bernie Sanders pbuh: "No I won't" 
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Nov 15, 2016 02:28
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Should I stay up until midnight so that I can read his book as soon as it is released? Yes/No
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Thoguh posted:Should I stay up until midnight so that I can read his book as soon as it is released? I hope its on Audible I got some credits lying around. eta- http://www.audible.com/pd/Bios-Memoirs/Our-Revolution-Audiobook/B01LXTPZAW/ref=a_search_c4_1_1_srTtl?qid=1479173531&sr=1-1 Heck yea
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The point is that chalking up this loss to racists and racists alone is dumb as poo poo and misses the point. Anyone saying racism determined the outcome of the election is ignorant of the complete picture or being intentionally misleading because they don't want to talk the other issues. And ooooooh boy, the DNC really likes doing the second one right now.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:31
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Also him saying the democratic party stands for these things is a total power move and I love it
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Nov 15, 2016 02:31
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Zythrst posted:I hope its on Audible I got some credits lying around. Oh sweet I think I just got mine for the month. Shinjobi posted:The point is that chalking up this loss to racists and racists alone is dumb as poo poo and misses the point. I completely agree, which is why I'm not saying that! I
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:When is the Keith Ellison interview? I don't think MSNBC is showing it? It was the first one. It's over now. Then was Jess "internalized misogyny" McIntosh.
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the thing is, outside this thread i encounter quite a few poc commentators reporting on and despairing at people jumping on the 'white working class appeal' bandwagon at the concrete expense of anti-racism. i think this thread is pretty good, but sometimes i get that sort of feeling, and there's no guarantee it won't slip over time as people tunnel-vision on the thing we want to actively change, which is class politics. or maybe they're all overreacting, but 'ignore what i see members of group x being concerned about' doesn't seem like a good start in not ignoring the concerns of group xmrmcd posted:I'm pretty sure every single human being on the planet was aware Trump is a racist piece of poo poo by election day. So please tell me what you think the strategic mistake was re: racism that isn't just despairing at the human condition. this is a fair question. i don't know if there there was a strategic mistake re racism, but the potential mistake going forward would be to not concentrate efforts on fighting the barrel-load of racism likely to come down the pipe from the trump admin and gop congress, leading to minority disengagement (base disillusioned from their concerns being ignored you might say) and also minorities just plain not voting because gop governments won't let them
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Nov 15, 2016 02:34
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Also its narrated by Bernie and Mark Ruffalo so now I want Bernie to be in The Avengers.
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Zythrst posted:Also its narrated by Bernie and Mark Ruffalo so now I want Bernie to be in The Avengers. "That's my secret, I'm always revolutionary"
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Zythrst posted:Grass Root, populist message, going to bring everybody together by addressing everybody needs. Wow, what a racist Bernie bro, refusing to talk about race and talking about economic populism? What a white trash person  Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean there's these. "Stop talking about race" is a really loving poor solution that will only screw over minorities to appeal to people who probably won't switch sides anyway. I'm sorry I'm not combing the thread for pages of examples when I'm talking about a more general trend that exists beyond SA? I guess? I still think you're overemphasizing and injecting this notion that everything you don't like is racist into everything, but whatever. Economic populism and economic justice for every American is numero uno, alongside an equally robust racial justice platform. Very different from the way a certain centrist wing of the Democratic Party has been doing.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I real socialist would have tried to prop up Borders yes but thankfully our new president has promised to bring them back and defend them bigly
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gently caress yea! No divisions. We are one people
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Peel posted:the thing is, outside this thread i encounter quite a few poc commentators reporting on and despairing at people jumping on the 'white working class appeal' bandwagon at the concrete expense of anti-racism. i think this thread is pretty good, but sometimes i get that sort of feeling, and there's no guarantee it won't slip over time as people tunnel-vision on the thing we want to actively change, which is class politics. or maybe they're all overreacting, but 'ignore what i see members of group x being concerned about' doesn't seem like a good start in not ignoring the concerns of group x Don't get me wrong, I'm the sort of person who kind of wants to get rid of all police departments and start over from scratch, but like education is going to be a huge factor in all of this.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:38
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Is Bernie's book a snappy 50 pages of normal print like Trump's book and how many celebrities does he dish on
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Peel posted:the thing is, outside this thread i encounter quite a few poc commentators reporting on and despairing at people jumping on the 'white working class appeal' bandwagon at the concrete expense of anti-racism. i think this thread is pretty good, but sometimes i get that sort of feeling, and there's no guarantee it won't slip over time as people tunnel-vision on the thing we want to actively change, which is class politics. or maybe they're all overreacting, but 'ignore what i see members of group x being concerned about' doesn't seem like a good start in not ignoring the concerns of group x I'm sorry that hot takes don't have enough nuance for you. The deeply flawed hillary campaign used anti-racism as a shield for status-quo neoliberalism. Not only that, but she explicitly dismissed free college, by asking if it would solve racism, or sexism!!! WTF!!!! How can you possibly defend that? Peel posted:this is a fair question. i don't know if there there was a strategic mistake re racism, but the potential mistake going forward would be to not concentrate efforts on fighting the barrel-load of racism likely to come down the pipe from the trump admin and gop congress, leading to minority disengagement (base disillusioned from their concerns being ignored you might say) and also minorities just plain not voting because gop governments won't let them As for this, Blame Clinton for the latter, but the former will be in the new DNC platform once Ellison and people like him remove the reigns from people who have no intention of addressing wealth inequality, and worse, use racism as an excuse for never doing it. ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 02:42 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:yes but thankfully our new president has promised to bring them back and defend them bigly Hold up guys. Borders wall. Big beautiful door. Expensive and probably a bad investment that's best to get someone else to pay for. Made almost instantly pointless in the modern day. poo poo guys he just wanted to make us REALLY well read with a huge wall of bookstores! We had this Trump guy all wrong!
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:gently caress yea! No divisions. We are one people 
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Getting hung up on the racism of individual voters is missing the point, though. Racism convo should be about the system that fucks everyone over and the literal nazis that Trump admin has empowered. Republican racist messaging has damaged a lot of Dem anti-poverty measures though.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:42
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Tatum Girlparts posted:"That's my secret, I'm always revolutionary"
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Oh sweet I think I just got mine for the month. You're arguing with people that aren't here. It annoys some people. It's okay. 
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Nov 15, 2016 02:43
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Trump Wall for sale at Barnes & Nobles
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Nov 15, 2016 02:44
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Zythrst posted:Also its narrated by Bernie and Mark Ruffalo so now I want Bernie to be in The Avengers. You'll like Bernie when he's angry.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:46
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barnes & noble & marx & engels
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Powercrazy posted:I'm sorry that hot takes don't have enough nuance for you. The deeply flawed hillary campaign used anti-racism as a shield for status-quo neoliberalism. Not only that, but she explicitly dismissed free college, by asking if it would solve racism, or sexism!!! i don't mention the clinton campaign anywhere in that quote, dude
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Peel posted:i don't mention the clinton campaign anywhere in that quote, dude I wonder why he mentioned it 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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