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How awesome would this episode have been if they just bazooka'd the gate as soon as they saw Negan's silhouette and in the shock just hose the rest of his gang down in a hail of gunfire. 30 seconds to end this poo poo show.
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The Archaic posted:How awesome would this episode have been if they just bazooka'd the gate as soon as they saw Negan's silhouette and in the shock just hose the rest of his gang down in a hail of gunfire. 30 seconds to end this poo poo show. Yup. Who's left to lead Neegan's legion? Then you take the fight to them, where there are tons of them only held in line by fear. You're greeted as liberators and off you go into the world of the current Middle East. The difference. It's the loving zombie apocalypse in this show. This is normal.
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Nov 15, 2016 03:13
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This wouldn't have happened in Z Nation.
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Nov 15, 2016 03:19
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This crew gets dumber every season.
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Nov 15, 2016 03:34
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I just wanna know how many people's lives Negan actually saved to get his gang started, I hope they do a flashback to that.. I'd prefer it to finding out what he was like before the zombies
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Nov 15, 2016 03:34
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They are going to do a flashback and Neegan is going to be a middle manager at an insurance firm.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:15
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I truly don't understand how Negan can be likeable. I do like JDM and really want to give it a chance but the character is super lame. A bad guy but get this... he makes jokes! It might as well be Roger from Doug.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:16
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JDM is doing a wonderful job. It's the writers loving poo poo up at the moment.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:20
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It's a really cliche, boring performance so far and he delivers each line in the same way. I like JDM and he was great in that first scene, but the writing's bad and he's quickly wearing thin the more screen time he gets.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:59
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I truly don't understand how Negan can be likeable. I do like JDM and really want to give it a chance but the character is super lame. A bad guy but get this... he makes jokes! It might as well be Roger from Doug. JDM isn't quite like Negan in the comic, and that's mostly for the worse. In the comic he's about twice as large, just a hugely imposing guy. He's like a cross between Babe Ruth and Al Capone, a charming lowlife with a beastly temper. I read his dialog as being quite fast-paced and less deliberate than JDM delivers it, which is the directors' fault because the show is so dour and stretched out. He also curses a blue streak. I knew a legit psychopath (he was a high-level corporate web security guy) and he was practically a carbon copy minus the violence. Same bombast and foul language, same need to dominate, same delight taken in gaslighting everyone around him. Negan is supposed to be charasmatic in a certain way, larger than life and both terrifying and inspiring in equal measure. JDM's version just is an rear end in a top hat with a big gang. I like JDM and he's having fun but the showrunners got the character all wrong.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:07
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One of my biggest problems with this show is how often I can take one character's dialogue and swap it with another's to little effect. Rarely does someone have their own voice. Every line sounds natural coming out of anyone's mouth. Thank god for Cyborg and his magical Shakespearian tiger.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:36
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Sammus posted:This wouldn't have happened in Z Nation.
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The problem with Negan isn't Negan (although that's pretty bad since he's basically just Governor 2.0) but (comic chat ahead) that the story after negan gets somehow worse
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Nov 15, 2016 07:24
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VendaGoat posted:JDM is doing a wonderful job. It's the writers loving poo poo up at the moment. I just want to see more Steven Ogg. Like I said before, it should have been him there in this last episode, not Negan. It'd been way smarter and he'd been plenty menacing. Even now I am WAY more intimidated by his character than Negan; Negan feels like a guy with as much a carefully constructed act as King Ezekiel; it's all grandstanding bullshit, where Ogg feels like he's legitimately a hair triggered mad dog. Given we barely saw like 3 glimpses of him in the first episode, none in the Dwight episode and he wasn't there this episode, I have to wonder if his involvement in Westworld put him on ice.
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So what was the dramatic point in the series to making Abraham into a total rear end in a top hat that hosed over Rosita for Sasha? Is it all so they can grumble about who was his girlfriend or something? They seem to keep pushing Rosita feeling bad and somehow I feel like it would have been a lot more effective if one of the last things he did wasn't being a total prick. God I hope Rosita hangs around. She's developed an actual personality from a fodder start; maybe she's finally losing the red shirt. The Archaic posted:How awesome would this episode have been if they just bazooka'd the gate as soon as they saw Negan's silhouette and in the shock just hose the rest of his gang down in a hail of gunfire. 30 seconds to end this poo poo show. I have to admit, given Negan himself personally showed the gently caress up (which is dumb as all hell) I am kind of surprised they didn't do that. Everybody's dumb as gently caress in Walking Dead. Still I maintain that the Fear the Walking Dead crew make Rick's group look like merger of Sun Tzu and Patton. Bulkiest Toaster posted:Yeah I don't understand why this show can't balance the storylines so we see multiple plot lines in an episode. Most other shows can balance the story this way. Game of Thrones does a pretty good job of this. We don't see all the plot lines all of the time, but we do get to bounce around between a couple of them in most episodes, unless of course it's a real huge event-episode, and even those tend to have a check in with a few other plots (See the last couple episodes of this season). It's really grating the way they do it here since even when it's a character you like, it's often not a GROUP you like. For example the Abraham + Sasha episode: Peanut Butter and poo poo, that was ED: Quick poll, does anybody really like Sasha? Or is she literally the blandest character the show's ever produced? I can't be alone on this. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 08:12
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The Archaic posted:How awesome would this episode have been if they just bazooka'd the gate as soon as they saw Negan's silhouette and in the shock just hose the rest of his gang down in a hail of gunfire. 30 seconds to end this poo poo show. I cant believe theres not someone on watch. Still. After all this loving time. Totally agree btw. You take out negan and half his crew fights each other for the next few months and they do half the work for ya. Last few seasons i got through pretty easily because even the slow eps were puntuated by some good ones. So far I'm struggling. I get what they're going for but still.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:51
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They don't want Darryl to be killed
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VendaGoat posted:They are going to do a flashback and Neegan is going to be a middle manager at an insurance firm. Also, he will be paralyzed from the waist down and sitting in a wheelchair.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:12
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Going by my Facebook feed and the odd tv review I read, you are the only guys who don't think the Negan character is utterly brilliant (in a terrifying sort of way).
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BlindSite posted:I cant believe theres not someone on watch. Still. After all this loving time. That's what I simply don't understand. There was absolutely zero reason for Rick to not just whip out a gun and immediately pop Negan the second he approached the gate. Then just rain hell on the guys he brought with him from their heavily fortified walls, because they're all just stuck in the wide open. Or use the last rocket and completely blow them the gently caress out. Literally. The rest of the Saviors would immediately plunge into a power struggle or just simply gently caress off with what they have. Negan is the only thing holding them together, and it's through fear. If he's dead, there's no glue to keep all the Saviors together. Either way, a huge number of the Saviors are dead or gone and they are far, far less of a threat. Even if they did stick together, they would absolutely not gently caress with Alexandria. Thrifting Day! posted:Going by my Facebook feed and the odd tv review I read, you are the only guys who don't think the Negan character is utterly brilliant (in a terrifying sort of way). I think Negan's a cool character.  I just also think he's laughably unrealistic. He's way, way, way too cocky.
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Nov 15, 2016 11:11
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Blazing Ownager posted:So what was the dramatic point in the series to making Abraham into a total rear end in a top hat that hosed over Rosita for Sasha? Abraham jilting Rosita was just another example of a character's hopes and plans being dashed. The central theme of TWD is despair, no one can be happy, no one's plans are sustainable, there's no hope in the zombie wasteland. If they wanted to be literate someone on the show could quote Robert Burns: "The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft a-gley, and leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy." Not a single character is smart enough to know something like that, though, and the writers are hacks anyway.
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Nov 15, 2016 11:51
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Thrifting Day! posted:Going by my Facebook feed and the odd tv review I read, you are the only guys who don't think the Negan character is utterly brilliant (in a terrifying sort of way). No offense but Facebook feeds and tv reviews aren't really a good way of getting people's opinions. That's why I like this thread and threads like them, no one here is trying to get upvotes or views or page clicks it's just people who watch the show expressing their opinions. So far a lot of people itt have said they like Negan and a lot of people have said they don't.
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For a moment I actually thought Carl was going to shoot Negan in the head as a huge surprise to the viewing audience. Instead we got one of the slowest episodes of the series. I don't see how Negan can retain control via groupthink or whatever he's doing, without any type of command structure. Would love to see Daniel Salazar appear, marching towards Negan's HQ with an army of several hundred thousand walkers behind him.  Filthy Hans posted:Abraham jilting Rosita was just another example of a character's hopes and plans being dashed. The central theme of TWD is despair, no one can be happy, no one's plans are sustainable, there's no hope in the zombie wasteland. If they wanted to be literate someone on the show could quote Robert Burns: "The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft a-gley, and leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy." Not a single character is smart enough to know something like that, though, and the writers are hacks anyway. Yes that's a great point. Even if whatever remains of Rick's gang gets away from Negan they're not going to be any better off and will just go back to bumbling around the countryside scavenging for their next meal and overnight hiding spot. Bulkiest Toaster posted:This was literally an episode about looking for two guns. They found the guns and left the end. The pacing of this show is terrible. You can tell the network tells them to do 16 episode seasons but they don't want to outpace the comics. Therefore we get entire episodes of darly in his cell, and episodes like this... It became tedious and the resolution was yawn-inducing. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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I like Sasha. Mostly for her potential if that makes sense. Everyone around her dies. Yeah everyone in this show dies but she lost Bob, Tyreese and now Abharam and still gets up and gets the job done. She's an excellent sniper. She could be a crazy interesting character if the writers actually explored this. She is also a black woman on TV and our demographic always gets shafted when it comes to representation. She is a "strong black woman" but doesn't fall into the trope of not needing companionship, even though she fights it sometimes. Sasha could be really cool and good if they gave her some character building. Remember how Michonne came around? I want that for Sasha.
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Filthy Hans posted:JDM isn't quite like Negan in the comic, and that's mostly for the worse. In the comic he's about twice as large, just a hugely imposing guy. He's like a cross between Babe Ruth and Al Capone, a charming lowlife with a beastly temper. I read his dialog as being quite fast-paced and less deliberate than JDM delivers it, which is the directors' fault because the show is so dour and stretched out. He also curses a blue streak. I knew a legit psychopath (he was a high-level corporate web security guy) and he was practically a carbon copy minus the violence. Same bombast and foul language, same need to dominate, same delight taken in gaslighting everyone around him. I don't think saying gently caress more times is going to change my opinion.
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I'm here for the slow burn sexual tension between Rick and Negan and I know you all feel it.
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Shneak posted:I'm here for the slow burn sexual tension between Rick and Negan and I know you all feel it. yeah they're on some next level fetish thing. good stuff
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Mu Zeta posted:They don't want Darryl to be killed
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Blazing Ownager posted:Given we barely saw like 3 glimpses of him in the first episode, none in the Dwight episode and he wasn't there this episode, I have to wonder if his involvement in Westworld put him on ice. Due to a lot of production issues, Westworld episodes were filmed as far back as 2 years ago. I believe most were a full year ago actually.
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Filthy Hans posted:Abraham jilting Rosita was just another example of a character's hopes and plans being dashed. The central theme of TWD is despair, no one can be happy, no one's plans are sustainable, there's no hope in the zombie wasteland. If they wanted to be literate someone on the show could quote Robert Burns: "The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft a-gley, and leave us not but grief and pain for promised joy." Not a single character is smart enough to know something like that, though, and the writers are hacks anyway. Because of the sunk cost fallacy I don't think anything could actually make me stop watching this show at this point. But a character saying something had "gang aft a-gley" might
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he was saying I acquitgangaftagley tho
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I, for one, think this show would benefit from Ned Flanders.
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Das Boo posted:I, for one, think this show would benefit from Ned Flanders. Definitely need more characters with imposing asses, like drat that rear end is hogging the screen time
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XyrlocShammypants posted:The problem with Negan isn't Negan (although that's pretty bad since he's basically just Governor 2.0) but (comic chat ahead) that the story after negan gets somehow worse I actually liked the story "after" Negan for a while. Rebuilding society and the Whisperers were both cool ideas to explore, but somehow Kirkman managed to gently caress up both of them.
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Thrifting Day! posted:Going by my Facebook feed and the odd tv review I read, you are the only guys who don't think the Negan character is utterly brilliant (in a terrifying sort of way).  Hurf Durf
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Nov 15, 2016 18:11
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MeLKoR posted:They rather sacrifice god knows how many people to Negan? Yes.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:12
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Has anyone else gave up watching? I actually pulled the plug and stopped after episode one. I felt conflicted because there really was a time it was one of my favorite shows on TV, probably up until around the time they got to Alexandria.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:15
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Has anyone else gave up watching? I actually pulled the plug and stopped after episode one. I felt conflicted because there really was a time it was one of my favorite shows on TV, probably up until around the time they got to Alexandria. I know a lot of married couples who quit after this season's premiere and a few single people who did the same (all 30-40 year old people) but the people I know who read the comics first are all still watching. I really didn't like the premiere but I like the show so I'm still watching.
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I didn't quit specifically because of the episode, it was more just realizing I didn't really like the characters or Negan.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Has anyone else gave up watching? I actually pulled the plug and stopped after episode one. I felt conflicted because there really was a time it was one of my favorite shows on TV, probably up until around the time they got to Alexandria. If this continues, this may be my last season. We've watched this crew brutally kill cannibals, defend a prison from a god damned tank, kill unknown amount of walkers, survive under impossible situations, kill family members, friends and children. But one psychopath with a loving baseball bat and suddenly they misplace their testicles.
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