uspol november: as it turns out they could not stump the trump

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Maarek: Jun 9, 2002; Your silence only incriminates you further.

Why the hell would Trump back down to the GOP congress? The public hates congress and he just won the election with them openly being contemptuous of him. He can threaten to unleash the Pepes on Rand Paul and his ilk.

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Kilroy posted:

The Supreme Court explicitly ruled two years ago that recess appointments during a pro forma session are invalid. That's the only way Obama could hope to do a recess appointment so it's not going to happen.

He should do it and let them take him to court. And I think he might.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:44

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Al-Saqr posted:

I am extremely glad at how pro-active the progressives of the DNC are being, Bernie Sanders is now storming around the media spitting real talk, striking the right balance of outright defiance towards the administration while making people aware of the realistic dangers they're now facing.

You know, I think history will look back and view bernie as a pivotal and transformational figure in american politics, right now an entire generation is witnessing a literal threat against their lives, the second biggest party is in complete dissarray, hope is really getting a beating. Normally what happens is that these parties would dissolve into a complete civil war and flail around, but with bernie sanders you have a guy who is literally the right man at the right time with the right mindset taking control and making the right calls. The fact that bernie is pushing his ideas in full force through the public facing media AND down the throats of the democratic establishment is a really good sign that the right calls are being made. He is a really good opposition figure to Trump in every way, from his style, to his rhetoric, to his actions. I really hope for people's sake he can carry on this fight as he's doing now in these dark times.

I will give the DNC credit they aren't treating this like Labour in the UK did where after Brexit they immediately tried to go after the popular leftist guy and started an internal civil war which lasted for months.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:45

botany: Apr 27, 2013; by Lowtax

mcmagic posted:

He should do it and let them take him to court. And I think he might.

No he won't, this is stupid.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:47

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

Radish posted:

I will give the DNC credit they aren't treating this like Labour in the UK did where after Brexit they immediately tried to go after the popular leftist guy and started an internal civil war which lasted for months.

It's only been a week. We'll see how the DNC chair thing goes and Pelosi's reelection as minority leader in the House. There is still plenty of time for the knives to come out.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:50

SavageBastard: Nov 16, 2007; Professional Lurker

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/798547551901204480

So we'll just need 2 other republicans to block these nominations? It's not impossible.

How is Rand Paul the voice of reason here? What bizzaro world are we living in? Is this the Upsidedown?

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:53

Business Gorillas: Mar 11, 2009

Carmant posted:

Have you ever actually been. The reddit politics board is 100% pro-Hillary and the entire front page is "gently caress Donald Trump" and it has been since she got the nomination. It's probably more left leaning and less racist than most of the boards on the SomethingAwful forum that you like to post in. I'm not saying that you're racist necessarily just that you support racists and bigots by posting here and giving Lowtax money.

It's true, reddit is at a Racist Level 2 when your typical SA board can reach Racist Level 4 or maybe even Racist Level 5

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:53

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Kilroy posted:

It's only been a week.

Fair point but Labour seemed like it didn't even wait for the votes to be finished and Bernie has already been getting ahead of the messaging on a bunch of news programs. If they want to start an internal war to save the Clinton faction after it becomes even more clear how bad both parties have been loving up they aren't going to have an easy time of it.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:53

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Kilroy posted:

It's only been a week.

it's only been a week and they're already going to get a muslim as the head of the second largest political party of the United Sates, a guy with very real progressive credentials, that's a giant pro-active statement of intent. That wouldve been completely unthinkable a week ago because they wouldve been too concerned with appealing to the center and their imaginary 'moderate republicans'. And already Bernie sanders has been cutting deals, taking control and shaping the message, this normally in shittier parties like Labour would take years for them to come to that conclusion.

Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Nov 15, 2016

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:53

HorseRenoir: Dec 25, 2011; Pillbug

A couple days ago, this guy was urging Republicans to stick together and work with Trump's team. How's he doing now?

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/798521848636047360

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:53

Maarek: Jun 9, 2002; Your silence only incriminates you further.

I think the Blairite shitbags in Labour underestimated how popular Corbyn would be with their party's supporters. I don't think that'll happen with Bernie because of how well he did in the primary. They will at least humor him, but the real test is if they try to keep control of the DNC out of their hands.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:55

i am harry: Oct 14, 2003

Al-Saqr posted:

it's only been a week and they're going to get a muslim as the head of the second largest political party of the United Sates, that's a giant pro-active statement of intent. That wouldve been completely unthinkable a week ago because they wouldve been too concerned with appealing to the center and their imaginary 'moderate republicans'.

If only donating to the DNC would turn it from the party of, "We're sorry!!" to the party of, "Go gently caress yourself," while maintaining all its actual social policies..

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:56

fknlo: Jul 6, 2009; Fun Shoe

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/798547551901204480

So we'll just need 2 other republicans to block these nominations? It's not impossible.

Trump will go hard after any Republicans that stand up to what he wants to do. I'm actually really interested to see how it plays out if any of them actually have any balls.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:56

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fknlo posted:

Trump will go hard after any Republicans that stand up to what he wants to do. I'm actually really interested to see how it plays out if any of them actually have any balls.

Heller and Flake are both up in 2018 and could lose if it's a big backlash election. That is where Dems have to start.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:57

BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

fknlo posted:

Trump will go hard after any Republicans that stand up to what he wants to do. I'm actually really interested to see how it plays out if any of them actually have any balls.

For all of Paul Ryan's spinelessness, I was impressed to find out that he was actually not racist.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:58

Nebalebadingdong: Jun 30, 2005; i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?

Maarek posted:

They will at least humor him, but the real test is if they try to keep control of the DNC out of their hands.

I assume this is inevitable, the question is how long it takes to do it. How long does this window stay open?

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:59

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Al-Saqr posted:

I am extremely glad at how pro-active the progressives of the DNC are being, Bernie Sanders is now storming around the media spitting real talk, striking the right balance of outright defiance towards the administration while making people aware of the realistic dangers they're now facing.

You know, I think history will look back and view bernie as a pivotal and transformational figure in american politics, right now an entire generation is witnessing a literal threat against their lives, the second biggest party is in complete dissarray, hope is really getting a beating. Normally what happens is that these parties would dissolve into a complete civil war and flail around, but with bernie sanders you have a guy who is literally the right man at the right time with the right mindset taking control and making the right calls. The fact that bernie is pushing his ideas in full force through the public facing media AND down the throats of the democratic establishment is a really good sign that the right calls are being made. He is a really good opposition figure to Trump in every way, from his style, to his rhetoric, to his actions. I really hope for people's sake he can carry on this fight as he's doing now in these dark times. It's a shame that it comes at a time when him and his friends have zero legislative power to stop what's coming.

Honestly I'm not shocked at all that Bernie fuckin' Sanders is gonna be the savior of the Democratic Party despite being an independent for his entire political career. That, to me, is the definition of a patriotic and good politician. He's not in it to better himself or his pals in Wallstreet or Silicone Valley. He's in it for the common folk.

Go Bernie, go!

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:59

Business Gorillas: Mar 11, 2009

Al-Saqr posted:

it's only been a week and they're already going to get a muslim as the head of the second largest political party of the United Sates, a guy with very real progressive credentials, that's a giant pro-active statement of intent. That wouldve been completely unthinkable a week ago because they wouldve been too concerned with appealing to the center and their imaginary 'moderate republicans'. And already Bernie sanders has been cutting deals, taking control and shaping the message, this normally in shittier parties like Labour would take years for them to come to that conclusion.

Does that black Muslim man know that the Bernouts are actually the true racists??? :ohdear:

# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:59

Harold Fjord: Jan 3, 2004

Business Gorillas posted:

Does that black Muslim man know that the Bernouts are actually the true racists???

Probably.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:00

Ever Disappointing: May 4, 2004

Party Plane Jones posted:

But yeah, denying Obama a Scalia replacement is horseshit but good thing nothing will ever come of it.

And unless we get a progressive justice out of it, I can only see Democratic votes for any Trump appointment to replace Scalia as traitorous.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:01

BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Honestly I'm not shocked at all that Bernie fuckin' Sanders is gonna be the savior of the Democratic Party despite being an independent for his entire political career.

He's the only Democratic politician saying anything of note at all. Hillary seems to have vanished into a hole (she's probably burnt out.)

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:01

i am harry: Oct 14, 2003

Business Gorillas posted:

Does that black Muslim man know that the Bernouts are actually the true racists???

It doesn't matter because they do not vote. They never have, they never will.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:02

HorseRenoir: Dec 25, 2011; Pillbug

Nebalebadingdong posted:

I assume this is inevitable, the question is how long it takes to do it. How long does this window stay open?

I think it just depends on how well an Ellison-led DNC does within the next 2-4 years. I think Clinton's loss really shook up or permanently disgraced a lot of establishment people and they're desperate for any strategy that works. If Ellison can make gains and build a strong roster of progressive candidates, that window might stay open indefinitely.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:02

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Tir McDohl posted:

And unless we get a progressive justice out of it, I can only see Democratic votes for any Trump appointment to replace Scalia as traitorous.

Any democratic vote for any Trump judge should be followed by an immediate primary challenger.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:03

Covok: May 27, 2013; Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Republican obstructionism will be remembered in the ruins of post-human Earth as what fell the empire of man. The sea people of Earth will laugh at their foolish game of politics that doomed them to be cooked like chickens in their own planets.

Then, they will forget about us, as will the universe.

Death is certain~

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:03

Kobayashi: Aug 13, 2004; by Nyc_Tattoo

Ryan and most of the rest of the GOPe refused to go after Trump when he was a joke, running around grabbing women by the pussy, and everyone "knew" that he was going to lose, bigly and embarrassingly. It's absolute fantasy land to think that they will somehow be more emboldened to stand up to him now that he is the actual president of the United States, backed by a literal goddamn army of red hat-wearing Pepe avatars. I get the need to cling to hope, but Paul Ryan ain't your guy.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:04

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

BarbarianElephant posted:

He's the only Democratic politician saying anything of note at all. Hillary seems to have vanished into a hole (she's probably burnt out.)

GOOD

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:05

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

BarbarianElephant posted:

He's the only Democratic politician saying anything of note at all. Hillary seems to have vanished into a hole (she's probably burnt out.)

Pretty much. At this point it's crystal clear that people like DWS, Kaine, Hillary, Brazile, etc... were horrible leaders who jumped ship on their golden rescue boat and left the rest of America to deal with Trumps administration.

Then Bernie said "hell no" and began fixing the gushing leaks and by bilging the water and rowing twice as hard and he's not gonna give up until we all reach the land of economic and social justice.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:05

SavageBastard: Nov 16, 2007; Professional Lurker

mcmagic posted:

Any democratic vote for any Trump judge should be followed by an immediate primary challenger.

So we're just going full Tea Party liberal, eh?

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:07

TildeATH: Oct 21, 2010; by Lowtax

DNC gonna run a Black Muslim and an Atheist Socialist on the ticket in 2020. We can all pray that inshallah Trump will have so poisoned the well that it leads to our first caliph and antipope.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:07

Covok: May 27, 2013; Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:07

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Yeah Hillary not showing up right now is probably for the best. I'm not really sure what she has to add to the conversation and the last thing we need is the moronic press to start going "sure Trump looks like he's going to have one of the most openly corrupt administrations in History but EMAIIIIILLLLSSSS"

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:08

Maarek: Jun 9, 2002; Your silence only incriminates you further.

Donna Brazile was just down in Florida attending some islamophobic conference hosted by David Horowitz . While she was there she ran into James loving O'Keef and tweeted about it like it was a funny anecdote. That is how loving braindead and awful this wing of the party is.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:08

Ever Disappointing: May 4, 2004

SavageBastard posted:

So we're just going full Tea Party liberal, eh?

It worked for them.

Edit: And besides being insolent, they are stealing Obama's nominee. You don't loving reward that.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:10

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

Business Gorillas posted:

Does that black Muslim man know that the Bernouts are actually the true racists???

What do you mean being able to afford to live is important for you? But what about the black Muslims you goose stepping nazi!!

Seriously, I don't get how also being concerned about economic policies equates to racism.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:11

Inspector Hound: Jul 14, 2003

Kobayashi posted:

Ryan and most of the rest of the GOPe refused to go after Trump when he was a joke, running around grabbing women by the pussy, and everyone "knew" that he was going to lose, bigly and embarrassingly. It's absolute fantasy land to think that they will somehow be more emboldened to stand up to him now that he is the actual president of the United States, backed by a literal goddamn army of red hat-wearing Pepe avatars. I get the need to cling to hope, but Paul Ryan ain't your guy.

I hope Paul Ryan is passed back and forth between the left and the right in an unending cycle of being held up as a symbol of hope and then shamed for ultimately being a disappointment

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:11

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Maarek posted:

Donna Brazile was just down in Florida attending some islamophobic conference hosted by David Horowitz . While she was there she ran into James loving O'Keef and tweeted about it like it was a funny anecdote. That is how loving braindead and awful this wing of the party is.

What??

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:12

Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

There is 1 potential Democratic senate pickup in 2018. Nevada.

The GOP has 11 reasonable pickup opportunities.

The odds of the Dems sweeping 12/12 competitive seats (half of which are in very red states like WV, MT, and MO) are very very very low. And if they do sweep all 12 competitive races, they end up with a net of +1 seat.

Holy poo poo, the Dems hosed up bad.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:12