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The notion that helping the working class somehow means selling out minorities is retarded, and is being pushed by people desperately trying to find ANY reason not to have their incomes redistributed (see, the white liberals posting at work in this thread)
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Darkman Fanpage posted:"Guys, I told you, I only did all this to sell books. Stop asking me to do actual work." Oh god, I just bought Bernie's book. What if he's on the Carson plan?
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Nov 15, 2016 19:15
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Radbot posted:The notion that helping the working class somehow means selling out minorities is retarded, and is being pushed by people desperately trying to find ANY reason not to have their incomes redistributed (see, the white liberals posting at work in this thread) trumpfaces.gif
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Nov 15, 2016 19:17
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redneck nazgul posted:Democrats lose by putting up candidates that suck and run against their opponent rather than for something. It doesn't infect them though. The Republicans aren't gaining any voters in the presidential election. The combo anger over Obama and Hillary and all the stuff they've been hyping for the last 8 years...has had them at 60M voters for 3 elections. And that's 3 elections with 3 very different Republican candidates. And I don't buy Breitbart or anyone is discussing enough at the local level that they're the cause of Republican's state level success- I believe that's almost 100% them dedicating resources and building an infrastructure to do it.
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Thoguh posted:Oh god, I just bought Bernie's book. What if he's on the Carson plan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llRmyRgmshM
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Nov 15, 2016 19:17
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Thoguh posted:Oh god, I just bought Bernie's book. What if he's on the Carson plan? what if bernie is carson in a mask? no one would suspect the democratic firebrand to be the guy who's strung out on horse tranqs.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:19
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reminder to call your reps office and ask when they will make a statement about Steve Bannon
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Nov 15, 2016 19:20
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NumberLast posted:Yes, but we might have an actual opposition now rather than the options of bad and worse. I told y'all you'd come around to accelerationism.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:23
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resar posted:what if bernie is carson in a mask? no one would suspect the democratic firebrand to be the guy who's strung out on horse tranqs. What if the Carson downers were to smooth out the Bernie uppers?
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Nov 15, 2016 19:26
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VT Dems site is pathetic. They're either not holding any public meetings or they've hidden their schedule entirely. Can't find anything on social media either.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:27
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Tatum Girlparts posted:lol if anyone actually tries to push 'no no we need BIDEN and guys like him'. Like, that would just straight up be an admission that the only issue they had with Clinton was gender based then. It's not about gender, it's about authenticity in connecting to people. Biden has it, Hillary doesn't. Biden's authentic as gently caress, comparatively broke as gently caress for a politician, and doesn't give off the robotic controlled air that Hillary does, even if he's more centrist than both Clintons combined. Biden tears up talking about his son, gets visibly angry talking about the troops he's visited who got blown up, calls things a big loving deal. Hillary would never do that, and I realize that Hillary wanted to moderate herself to avoid the crazy woman card. Seriously, more genuine "Hillary talking about going to space, freaking out at balloons and brushing her shoulder during a bullshit Congressional hearing", less focus tested "dangerous Donald" bullshit and paling around with celebrities. Given the choice between Trump and the most centrist that ever centered a center, it would still be a win for Democrats because it's not Trump.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:28
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redneck nazgul posted:It's not about gender, it's about authenticity in connecting to people. Biden has it, Hillary doesn't. His son died, and all that went out the window because he was a literal wreck. Understandably.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:31
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:If by offset you mean "win elections in spite of", then yes. If you mean "reach crazy people" then no. I will admit, i wish we did have a LWM equivilent. We used to have a pretty liberal radio network though that got shut down.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:32
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redneck nazgul posted:, comparatively broke as gently caress for a politician, I remember that news article about Biden thinking he's middle class because he doesn't own a plane
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Nov 15, 2016 19:33
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Nonsense posted:His son died, and all that went out the window because he was a literal wreck. Understandably. Biden's been through far more poo poo than anyone else in Washington, and he's still an optimistic hopeful guy at the end of it. I want him to go out, help people, and do sick burnouts without the weight of the world on his shoulders because if anyone's earned it, he has. I'm just saying that saying that Biden could have won against Trump is not a misogynistic attack on Hillary.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:34
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redneck nazgul posted:It's not about gender, it's about authenticity in connecting to people. Biden has it, Hillary doesn't. isn't the point of this to get someone who's more polished AND more progressive? Biden is to the right of her on multiple issues. If he's your icon for what we need more of you're just coming at it from a completely wrong way
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Nov 15, 2016 19:34
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Stewart once referring to him as Joe "Still Takes the Motherfucking Train to Work" Biden was very endearing. But Biden himself isn't someone I actually want to be president so that endearment only goes so far.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:35
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SMP posted:VT Dems site is pathetic. They're either not holding any public meetings or they've hidden their schedule entirely. Can't find anything on social media either. I'm assuming most people posting on this website are under 50 and so you might want to look into the "Young Democrats" orgs in your state. If you live near an urban area, there's a chance they have monthly meetups where you can just get a beer and chill with Democrats and see what's up.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:35
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Nov 15, 2016 19:36
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Oh Snapple! posted:Stewart once referring to him as Joe "Still Takes the Motherfucking Train to Work" Biden was very endearing. Yea to be clear I like Biden a ton and think he was a great VP and when they were saying he may Clinton's Secretary of State nod I was 100% into that.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:38
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea to be clear I like Biden a ton and think he was a great VP and when they were saying he may Clinton's Secretary of State nod I was 100% into that. Is there a reason he didn't run? Oh, right.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:50
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Tatum Girlparts posted:lol if anyone actually tries to push 'no no we need BIDEN and guys like him'. Like, that would just straight up be an admission that the only issue they had with Clinton was gender based then. You aren't real
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Nov 15, 2016 19:53
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No the actual solution to this problem was to elect the guy I can't mention because the mods here threw in with the wrong crowd
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Nov 15, 2016 19:56
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Other than being in mourning over his son, Biden also had a hard time arguing he's hope and change considering he's been Obama's VP for the last four years. As much as Hillary was "neoliberal status quo is golden", Biden could have been hit just as hard.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:56
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Progressive: We need to address issues that affect working class individuals, including white working class individuals. Liberal: Okay, please stress the "white" part constantly.
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Nov 15, 2016 19:56
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The entire argument against He Who Shall Not Be Named was "b-b-but universal healthcare would also help whites, therefore, it is racist"
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Nov 15, 2016 19:59
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Democrats are suicidal. They want to die.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:00
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I don't like Biden on the issues, but I think he would have had a better shot at winning the general because he (a) came off as a human being and (b) didn't have the exact perfect baggage for Donald Trump to exploit like Hillary did
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loquacius posted:I don't like Biden on the issues, but I think he would have had a better shot at winning the general because he (a) came off as a human being and (b) didn't have the exact perfect baggage for Donald Trump to exploit like Hillary did Also, you see, he is a man and misogyny would not be a factor, which was the main reason Hillary lost.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:02
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We really need to get people thinking about class solidarity. The problem is, I'm not sure there are any symbols for that which aren't a hammer and sickle. Is there a progressive version of the Don't Tread on Me snake flag? Maybe something in blue? Also: What is the best way to support strikers? Just like...a fuckload of doughnuts and coffee? Gatorade if it's hot? I'd carry a sign, but I don't think that's allowed if I'm not actually a member.
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I'm sure this has been covered several times over, but is it worth it to push on the 2018 elections (maybe not to the point of burning out the party) or just prep for 2020? My initial uneducated thoughts are to position progressive left candidates across the country in 2018 with no expectations but to build a coalition. Is that untenable?
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Democrats are suicidal. They want to die. Democrats should all move to colorado then.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:04
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NumberLast posted:You aren't real Its pretty consistent actually
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Nov 15, 2016 20:05
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loquacius posted:What did Jaime Harrison do, I avoided C-SPAM from July until November so I don't know this stuff he wasn't mentioned in C-SPAM at all from July to November because we were wasted as poo poo, linking yt songs  It was actually a good time to be in c-spam if you weren't completely bitter and taking poo poo way too seriously because even the hillary thread was somewhat trollable and didn't have a zealot crushing any dissenters after august.thats the only memo you can get because i barely remember july to november~  he's only mentioned now because of the aftermath of the DNC and insider failure.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Democrats are suicidal. They want to die. we're nihilists, lebowski
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Oh Snapple! posted:Stewart once referring to him as Joe "Still Takes the Motherfucking Train to Work" Biden was very endearing. I would have trusted Biden to continue the Obama policies at some baseline level but it's sort of beside the point now, his chance has come and gone.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:06
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Beachcomber posted:We really need to get people thinking about class solidarity. The problem is, I'm not sure there are any symbols for that which aren't a hammer and sickle. Is there a progressive version of the Don't Tread on Me snake flag? Maybe something in blue? People were adopting the tweety bird for something like this during the latter half of the primary (see: NumberLast's avatar). I still like that as a symbol for the Sanders wing of the party and I think we should bring it back. also I think there are Hunger Games references to be made and coastal liberals love that poo poo e: Hunger Games references for the blue states, Looney Tunes t-shirts for the red states
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Darkman Fanpage posted:we're nihilists, lebowski they still missed the memo on that too  *twists top off flask and takes a swig*
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Oh hey, look at this: We need to push this kind of thing hard. Beachcomber has issued a correction as of 20:10 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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I went to my County dem website and gave them my email with a request for volunteering info I'm not loving knocking on doors tho
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