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sit on my Facebook posted:I think that's overstating it a bit. It was a disaster, but Hillary received more votes and dems gained seats in both federal chambers. The republicans beat us completely. I'm glad we agree.
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Lightning Knight posted:Gay marriage, abortion, and the VRA would be gone. Probably enshrine CU into constitutional law. Not all Republicans, let alone Republican legislatures, care about or support this
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Nov 15, 2016 23:00
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Maarek posted:Hahah yes the answer is for the democratic party to move towards the middle again good luck with that my friend. This. People everywhere love progressive policies, even in red states. Hell Alaska is having a budget crunch, the governor cut the socialist PFD in half and people are pissed.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:01
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Pollyanna posted:Running anyone else in 2020 (including Clinton) will fail unless we change. The Dems are poison now. The Dems are so poison that they ran one of the most unpopular candidates ever and only lost by razor thin margins in three states and won the popular vote. Trump isn't Reagan, and it's really not that insurmountable to defeat him. Most the Dems' troubles are self inflicted and they can turn things around if they get their poo poo together.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:01
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Fojar38 posted:Not all Republicans, let alone Republican legislatures, care about or support this They care insofar as it would keep them in power indefinitely. But I don't think it's as simple as controlling 2/3rds of the states. I thought they needed Congress too? Or is it one or the other?
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Nov 15, 2016 23:01
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Trabisnikof posted:So how does demanding more ideological purity from our candidates get us those state houses back? Good point, President Jeb Bush should demonstrate the power of moderation in modern American politics.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:01
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Lightning Knight posted:Gay marriage, abortion, and the VRA would be gone. Probably enshrine CU into constitutional law. No one knows because there are no rules not a Constitutional Convention.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:03
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BarbarianElephant posted:I'd say "noble" rather than "smart." I think Republicans knew all along that they could play the "racism card" and win, but they didn't want to go there. That's why they were so pissed at Trump pressing the "easy win, ruin everything" button. As Democrats have been cheerfully pointing out for a while now, Republicans are staring down a real problem with the impending demographic collapse of their white supremacist base, so they've been trying to rein in the most overt of the race-baiting while they stumblingly figure out how to talk to Hispanics who aren't mowing their lawns. They're pissed because Trump doesn't give a gently caress about the wellbeing of the Republican party, now or ever, and this was just one of many ways he was perfectly happy to destroy anything of theirs that inconvenienced him in any way. paranoid randroid posted:if Mitt Romney were to tell me that he didnt see race, i might believe him, on the assumption that his firmware needed updating lol A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 23:04
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Yeah we got them right where we want them fellas. In charge of 2-3 branches of the federal government and 2/3rds of state governments. Any day now the demographics will turn on them and they definitely will not engage in massive voter suppression of minority groups to stop that from happening.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:06
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sit on my Facebook posted:I feel like this thread really needs to shut the gently caress up about who's at fault and direct its ire at the new president who actually deserves it. Ask former union members in Tennessee if they care about liberal elite fingerwaggers in Los Angeles or Chicago voting 'harder' than them. No one cares about popular vote totals.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:06
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Lightning Knight posted:They care insofar as it would keep them in power indefinitely. Seems like trying to ban abortion and gay marriage at a constitutional level for the entire nation would be a great way to accomplish the opposite of this
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Nov 15, 2016 23:06
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Maarek posted:I don't know what is wrong with you if you don't understand the difference between "here's why some people voted for Trump" and "you should vote for Trump". I did not vote for him but I also don't think that the thousands of Obama 2008 voters who defected to him in 2016 magically went from not-racist to racist in the intervening 8 years. But it was a tiny minority of voters who broke from Obama to Trump. Trump didn't win by stealing votes away from the Democrats. Hell, he got less votes than Romney or McCain. He won because those rust belt people who voted for Obama last time stayed home.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:07
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Oh God it just occurred to me that Clinton was a Democratic Mitt Romney
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Fojar38 posted:Seems like trying to ban abortion and gay marriage at a constitutional level for the entire nation would be a great way to accomplish the opposite of this If they got rid of the VRA and essentially permanently disenfranchised all racial minorities it wouldn't matter. This whole exercise is dumb because there won't be a constitutional convention.
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zegermans posted:Oh God it just occurred to me that Clinton was a Democratic Mitt Romney Nah she was the most progressive progressive that ever progressived and you're a racist/sexist if you think otherwise
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Nov 15, 2016 23:09
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Pollyanna posted:Running anyone else in 2020 (including Clinton) will fail unless we change. The Dems are poison now. I don't think this is true at all. Clinton is poison. Any other Democrat wins this election. Biden probably wins by 100+ electoral votes.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:10
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Lightning Knight posted:But I don't think it's as simple as controlling 2/3rds of the states. I thought they needed Congress too? Or is it one or the other? There are 2 steps with 2 options each. Either 2/3 of Congress or a convention formed by Congress at the request of 2/3 of the states legislatures (this is the "article V convention") must propose the amendment, and then either 3/4 of state legislatures or ratifying conventions in 3/4 of the states must approve it. Xae posted:No one knows because there are no rules not a Constitutional Convention. There are definitely rules to the amendment process. The internal workings of an article V convention would be unprecedented because it's never happened before but they can't circumvent the rest of it. haveblue fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 23:11
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Talking about romney, a lot of criticisms against him could also be said for clinton, namely him winning the nom because it was his turn as opposed to being the best candidate
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Nov 15, 2016 23:11
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:They lost in every level and branch of government. I don't think lose can even begin to describe the full scope of their defeat. They were anhilated Didn't the Dems make gains in both houses of Congress? Not enough to take a majority, but enough to weaken the massive majorities the Republicans have held ever since they decimated the Dems in 2010 and 2014. It's not too different from the 2000 election - winning the popular vote but losing the electoral, while making small gains in Congress but failing to overturn the preexisting Republican majority. It's just that this time, the gap is a lot bigger because the party utterly bombed in the last couple of midterms.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:12
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Maarek posted:Yeah we got them right where we want them fellas. In charge of 2-3 branches of the federal government and 2/3rds of state governments. Any day now the demographics will turn on them and they definitely will not engage in massive voter suppression of minority groups to stop that from happening. Dude, we could run a centrist, corporate, establishment democrat who's also a DEAD FERRET and still beat them  All we have to do is wait for these silly republicans to start dying off in massive numbers and we are gonna go back to theorizing what 1,000 years of neoliberal rule under the pragmatic wing of the democrats is gonna look like.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:12
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zegermans posted:Oh God it just occurred to me that Clinton was a Democratic Mitt Romney Remember this in four years because the Democratic party will do the same exact thing and you'll reliably fall for it again. See John Kerry.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:12
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Business Gorillas posted:Nah she was the most progressive progressive that ever progressived and you're a racist/sexist if you think otherwise Sir your strawmen are starting to cause a fire hazard in this thread
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Nov 15, 2016 23:13
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zegermans posted:Oh God it just occurred to me that Clinton was a Democratic Mitt Romney Mitt didn't need the Russians, FBI, and Wikileaks working against him to lose. Democratic Romney was Kerry.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:14
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Grater posted:But it was a tiny minority of voters who broke from Obama to Trump. Trump didn't win by stealing votes away from the Democrats. Hell, he got less votes than Romney or McCain. He won because those rust belt people who voted for Obama last time stayed home. What are the numbers on people who went from Obama to Trump in the rust belt?
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Nov 15, 2016 23:14
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Have we talked about how Socialist Alternative darling Kshama Sawant is now receiving tons of racist and sexist hate mail for daring to protest Trump's inauguration? But you see, both sides are just as bad because she hates Trump!
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Nov 15, 2016 23:15
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mcmagic posted:I don't think this is true at all. Clinton is poison. Any other Democrat wins this election. Biden probably wins by 100+ electoral votes. Yeah, he'd do fantastically well among working class economic voters, thanks to amazing economic bona fides like being vice president in an administration that they believe has done nothing to help the economy
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zegermans posted:Oh God it just occurred to me that Clinton was a Democratic Mitt Romney I'm partial to "Jebuela"
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Nov 15, 2016 23:17
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HorseRenoir posted:The Dems are so poison that they ran one of the most unpopular candidates ever and only lost by razor thin margins in three states and won the popular vote. Jesus Christ, thank you.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:18
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Have we talked about how Socialist Alternative darling Kshama Sawant is now receiving tons of racist and sexist hate mail for daring to protest Trump's inauguration? Well you see they are all just joking, you see. The alt-right doesn't have any power! I mean it's not like Breitbart is in charge of the White House press corp now or something! Hahaha, that would be insane!
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Nov 15, 2016 23:19
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Main Paineframe posted:Didn't the Dems make gains in both houses of Congress? Not enough to take a majority, but enough to weaken the massive majorities the Republicans have held ever since they decimated the Dems in 2010 and 2014. It's not too different from the 2000 election - winning the popular vote but losing the electoral, while making small gains in Congress but failing to overturn the preexisting Republican majority. It's just that this time, the gap is a lot bigger because the party utterly bombed in the last couple of midterms. Yea, and for the past decade or more, democrats have historically made gains in both chambers of congress, because we usually get blown out of the water during the midterms. We also lost the ability to appoint a normal Supreme Court justice and now we are gonna be stuck with Supreme Court Justice Alex Jones. So no, this election left us totally defeated.
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KomradeX posted:Are people really dumb enough that they don't realize the danger isn't a whole new constitution, but Republicans passing an amendment solidifying the shittiest of their social/ economic views for pretty much all time? This thread still can't even agree over how many states they still need to get control of (1,3,5?) so I'm not too concerned.
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Nov 15, 2016 23:27
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KomradeX posted:Are people really dumb enough that they don't realize the danger isn't a whole new constitution, but Republicans passing an amendment solidifying the shittiest of their social/ economic views for pretty much all time? Pfffft cmon dude all we gotta do is watch trump flail around for the next 4 years and then we make Papa Diamond Joe run for president. Bing bang bong democrats are back and we are all doing donuts in the whitehouse lawn in a transam
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Nov 15, 2016 23:28
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Have we talked about how Socialist Alternative darling Kshama Sawant is now receiving tons of racist and sexist hate mail for daring to protest Trump's inauguration? She's clearly lying/this is free speech and they have the right to threaten whoever they want/they're just trolling. Also she won't stop whining so clearly she's a hypocrite for criticizing Trump! Learning more about politics and what's happening in my country is a rather depressing endeavor....
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NikkolasKing posted:She's clearly lying/this is free speech and they have the right to threaten whoever they want/they're just trolling. Go do something about it then rather than impotently whining about it on the internet
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Nov 15, 2016 23:30
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Maarek posted:What are the numbers on people who went from Obama to Trump in the rust belt? The point is, there was no giant rush of former Obama voters that switched to trump, maybe a few. If Clinton had gotten anywhere near what Obama had in the previous election we wouldn't be facing our first orange clown president.
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Grater posted:You are the one making the claim that thousands and thousands of voters switched from Obama to Trump. But again, look at the vote totals, they were down nearly across the board. Trump got fewer votes than the last two republican candidates. Yes, in some areas he did better than Romney or McCain but it was by small amounts and the overall trend had both candidates down. I went Obama-Obama-Trump, Michigan.
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treu posted:I went Obama-Obama-Trump, Michigan. Well done genius.
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treu posted:I went Obama-Obama-Trump, Michigan. In all honesty what could have possibly motivated you to vote for Trump after voting for Obama twice; besides accelerationism that is? Tight Booty Shorts posted:I went Obama, Obama, Trump as well. But I was in FL Same question for you. Grater fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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treu posted:I went Obama-Obama-Trump, Michigan. I went Obama, Obama, Trump as well. But I was in FL
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