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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I didn't vote for trump in the general election 🙄 I can't remember who I voted for in the primary but it might have been Trump, because I was making my decision based on A) which vote was most likely to burn the GOP to the ground by extending the primary and B) who wasn't Ted Cruz. So it was either Trump or Kasich.  Probably Kasich at that point.
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botany posted:wow your voter registration got hosed up and forced you to vote for the racist hairball. that's rough my man, really felling your pain here Yes do you know how elections work? I had a choice to cast my vote for trump or Marco Rubio, especially since I lived in dade county. Why would I vote for Rubio? Casting my vote for trump ensured Rubio would lose and then all that would be left is fornHillary to defeat Trump. Which she did, she won the popular vote. Are you happy now ?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I can't remember who I voted for in the primary but it might have been Trump, because I was making my decision based on A) which vote was most likely to burn the GOP to the ground by extending the primary and B) who wasn't Ted Cruz. So it was either Trump or Kasich. OMG let me jump down your trachea and call you an idiot because holy poo poo how dare you not vote for our beautiful iron gilded queen of abuelas MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? Just the people who voted for Bernie though, they're the only ones who failed Clinton.
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? Either that or it was a messaging problem. -
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:no way this is real Well that quote got me, apparently after the Hillary campaign this was entirely plausible to me
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LinYutang posted:Well that quote got me, apparently after the Hillary campaign this was entirely plausible to me Hahaha. It's just too good. Ugh. Thanks Hillary.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Not much, but I do believe that talking nonstop about racism and sexism and nothing else is what lost Hillary the election? And that in order for people to not be sexist or racist anymore, you need to actually engage them and change their minds instead of just labeling them and assuming the label will make the problem go away? And then turning them into a boogie man for why you failed instead of accepting you failed and fixing what you did so you win the next one? Yep. And it's part of an overall problem on the left of thinking you can either shame your opponent into changing to your point of view, or that you can smugly defeat them with the facts. Both of these were missteps of the Hillary campaign.
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? Yyyyup! God forbid the party leadership make an effort to address the concerns that made people reluctant to vote D in the first place. 
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Trabisnikof posted:I think the issue is the campaign was perceived as talking only about racism and sexism because their economic message wasn't able to break through in this media cycle. I don't think the platform was very neoliberal, but I do think that the people we put up for president are, and that does matter. I do agree that the economic message probably didn't break out, but that's not something you can blame on Trump or his supporters, it's something you can blame squarely on Hillary and the DNC and her campaign. It's their job to get that message out, not do what they did and get confused when they lost. botany posted:Why do you assume that's the problem, rather than, say, not campaigning enough in states like PA and WI? I don't assume it's "THE PROBLEM" because nothing ever happens for one reason and only one reason. I do assume, however, that if you want to get back to winning you have to watch your replays and see what you did wrong and how to fix them, and you don't stop at the easiest thing to solve if you can only try once every couple of years but have lots of time to prepare. Democrats have had the great fortune to have Obama run as president, and he was incredibly good at campaigning, getting his message out, and being charismatic enough that he could win the presidency anyway. They ignored losing ground in every election below president, and it turns out that was a really bad idea.
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This election has turned the Democrats into the Republicans in the most hilarious way. Great year. Best election. 
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I don't think the platform was very neoliberal, but I do think that the people we put up for president are, and that does matter. I do agree that the economic message probably didn't break out, but that's not something you can blame on Trump or his supporters, it's something you can blame squarely on Hillary and the DNC and her campaign. It's their job to get that message out, not do what they did and get confused when they lost. You hit the nail right on the head in regards to the platform vs. the candidate being a neoliberal.
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? As long as we're framing it as a strict either/or thing no headway will be made. Voters are not literal infants totally devoid of responsibility for the consequences of their lack of foresight and neither is Clinton. Making it be about just one or the other tells me all you want to be is right on a personal level.
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Pollyanna posted:That's a good question that doesn't really have an easy answer. Not one I know of, anyway. The irony is that we could probably keep coal going and using coal power plants, by investing in carbon sequestration technologies. Now the bigger issue is we shouldn't want to keep using coal as we are, but if we went in and honestly explained that we can help most of them keep their current jobs but we'd need some to help develop the sequestration manufacturing industry and we'd like them to be a big part of it due to their coal-related expertise, I bet we could get at least some of their support. We can't couch it as "Sorry but we have to eliminate your jobs, coal isn't the future!" If we show that they can be a useful part of a carbon-reducing future that takes advantage of their coal-related expertise and make them see that we can help, I think it'd help. These poor coal mining areas want to be useful members of society, and we just need to find areas that they can feel useful without just saying "Go educate yourself! Coal is dead!" In my mind, the path to long-term helping these people are: 1. Work to keep coal going, while bringing in new types of jobs that are specifically tied in some way to the coal industry, like scrubbing systems and sequestration. 2. Show that long-term coal may be in decline, but with their help, we can extend coal's lifetime by getting their help in manufacturing the means to make it cleaner (scrubbing systems) or offset it (sequestration systems). 3. Show them that there will be big demand for these systems for decades to come as they become more efficient, more economical, and we get expertise in manufacturing them. We can then begin exporting the systems to other countries. 4. Long term jobs will shift to related R&D and manufacturing jobs from mining but that we are committed to making it work and if it costs the government some initially to subsidize it that's ok because we're helping them out. 5. They can then become a leading worldwide region of expertise in these areas with the jobs and quality of life increases that other areas have seen. Democrats can definitely appeal to them, and this same type of approach can be used for other areas too. We just need to get out and explain how we want to do it. It'll make them feel needed and useful. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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readingatwork posted:This election has turned the Democrats into the Republicans in the most hilarious way. 
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? It was the voters who failed Sanders actually
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Captain Oblivious posted:As long as we're framing it as a strict either/or thing no headway will be made. Voters are not literal infants totally devoid of responsibility for the consequences of their lack of foresight and neither is Clinton. So then yes. 
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https://twitter.com/youbsanctioned/status/798663192536895492 how do these cabinet picks keep getting worse
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/youbsanctioned/status/798663192536895492
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/youbsanctioned/status/798663192536895492 This is Obama's fault for not having Cotton locked up for treason after trying to tank the Iran deal. e: TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:In an attempt to reach out to minorities, trump picks cotton 
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:In an attempt to reach out to minorities, trump picks cotton 1) Boo 2) As in Cotton Hill?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I went Obama, Obama, Trump as well. But I was in FL Tight Booty Shorts posted:Revenge of the Bernie bros Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yes do you know how elections work? I had a choice to cast my vote for trump or Marco Rubio, especially since I lived in dade county. Why would I vote for Rubio? Casting my vote for trump ensured Rubio would lose and then all that would be left is fornHillary to defeat Trump. Gee. It's almost like you're a registered democrat in 08, 12 and 16. We all know you're a sack of poo poo, at least own it.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Gee. It's almost like you're a registered democrat in 08, 12 and 16. We all know you're a sack of poo poo, at least own it. 
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:In an attempt to reach out to minorities, trump picks cotton Holy poo poo.
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I realize that supposed those peacenik trump supporters don't actually give a poo poo about peace, they just don't want anyone to bomb Russia. That may actually affect their lives.
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? No one failed Clinton, she's just a loser. She just did what was natural for her. 
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:In an attempt to reach out to minorities, trump picks cotton uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/youbsanctioned/status/798663192536895492 I'm getting a dead link
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TV dog Wishbone of PBS posted:In an attempt to reach out to minorities, trump picks cotton 
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Gee. It's almost like you're a registered democrat in 08, 12 and 16. We all know you're a sack of poo poo, at least own it. No actually, I wasn't.
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/youbsanctioned/status/798663192536895492 the link ain't working who is it now
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A Tin Of Beans posted:the link ain't working who is it now Tom Cotton. but the person deleted it so maybe it's just baseless hearsay
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Wyld Thang posted:What did you learn about polling this election? That I was absolutely correct about a 3% miss being plausible, but I guess you're implying that Trump's approval rating could therefore be 20% higher than we think or something?
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MizPiz posted:So this thread is convinced it was the voters who failed Clinton? No. Most people here agree that Clinton was a bad candidate and that the party needs to move in a decisively economic justice-focused direction. There aren't too many unreconstructed Hillfolks itt.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:HAHAHAHA holy poo poo I honestly thought this story was a joke story. Holy gently caress.
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Majorian posted:No. Most people here agree that Clinton was a bad candidate and that the party needs to move in a decisively economic justice-focused direction. There aren't too many unreconstructed Hillfolks itt. Economic policies???? B-b-but what about the racists??
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