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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I went Obama, Obama, Trump as well. But I was in FL you're the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, congratulations.
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My Linux Rig posted:you're not a moron, you're just a racist. .....poo poo I knew I should've rewatched Dear White People e: really I don't think I've ever said "blacks" or "the blacks" in conversation, it seems like one of those things that sounds super awkward if you didn't grow up saying it disjoe fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Look we can either make the same mistakes the dems have made under Clinton and Obama to A lesser extent or fight for a senate seat.
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In my opinion this circular firing squad will never get old.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:07
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Nah, let's talk about how people let down Clinton instead. I just hope we can blast right into the acceptance stage of this psychological traumafest instead of blaming people for supporting Bernie.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:09
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Nah, let's talk about how people let down Clinton instead. no, it's very important that we pin the blame on our personal boogeymen via depicting them as whiny babies in webcomics, don't you see?
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Nov 16, 2016 02:12
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A Tin Of Beans posted:"america is already great" was the worst possible thing to say to The Rust Belt basically To be fair, to those folks America is both a horrible cesspool of multicultural corruption and a completely unimpeachable beacon of hope and freedom. It's kind of hard to know what to say when.
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Bip Roberts posted:In my opinion this circular firing squad will never get old. By forcing it's base to sacrifice so many principles in the name of "electability" and then proceeding to loose the election the Democratic party essentially broke itself in half in much the same way the Republicans loosing to Obama created the Tea Party. Get used to these arguments because they're only going to get worse over time, not better. 
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Some potential good news about DAPL, the Army is halting construction to enter negotiations with the Standing Rock tribe https://twitter.com/Danjite/status/798635382262808576 Also that racist WV mayor resigned https://twitter.com/CNN/status/798673508695842816
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Bip Roberts posted:In my opinion this circular firing squad will never get old. It is just people being angry, frightened, and panicking. They're lashing out at everything they can and hoping someone supports them. When that doesn't work they invent positions to argue against.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:17
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readingatwork posted:By forcing it's base to sacrifice so many principles in the name of "electability" and then proceeding to loose the election the Democratic party essentially broke itself in half in much the same way the Republicans loosing to Obama created the Tea Party. Get used to these arguments because they're only going to get worse over time, not better. So this ends in the "fractured" Democratic Party somehow controlling most state governments and the entire federal government? Cool.
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readingatwork posted:By forcing it's base to sacrifice so many principles in the name of "electability" and then proceeding to loose the election the Democratic party essentially broke itself in half in much the same way the Republicans loosing to Obama created the Tea Party. Get used to these arguments because they're only going to get worse over time, not better. Which is why the ideas that the Democrats need to put "identity politics" on the back burner is doomed to fail. Why would the base accept yet another sarcrafice in the name of electability?
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Nov 16, 2016 02:18
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Trump being President is bad, but what really makes me angry is if someone refers to me as a "male".
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Mr. Belding posted:Trump being President is bad, but what really makes me angry is if someone refers to me as a "male". Sorry I'm confused is this a dig at feminism or trans-rights? I can't tell.
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LeeMajors posted:To be fair, to those folks America is both a horrible cesspool of multicultural corruption and a completely unimpeachable beacon of hope and freedom. Jobs. You needs jobs, good jobs for you. It's not that loving hard
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Nov 16, 2016 02:22
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Trabisnikof posted:Which is why the ideas that the Democrats need to put "identity politics" on the back burner is doomed to fail. Why would the base accept yet another sarcrafice in the name of electability? Well let's see do people think police are too violent? Yes, campaign on that. Not that you care about police violence. Also that dig is at laws that target People for Not being sensitive enough of trams people.
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Quorum posted:no, it's very important that we pin the blame on our personal boogeymen via depicting them as whiny babies in webcomics, don't you see? You mad bro?  disjoe posted:So this ends in the "fractured" Democratic Party somehow controlling most state governments and the entire federal government? Cool. It might actually! If we purge the neoliberal wing then we can start running on progressive platforms again. Since real progressiveness is actually pretty popular I can easily foresee a sweep in 4-8 years if Trump is the trainwreck we think he'll be.
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LeeMajors posted:To be fair, to those folks America is both a horrible cesspool of multicultural corruption and a completely unimpeachable beacon of hope and freedom. America in these terms is best thought of as a set of highly personal values and a certain type of culture. It's not really a reference to the geographical region at all.
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readingatwork posted:You mad bro? What would you change about the DNC 2016 platform to make it acceptably progressive?
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Crowsbeak posted:Well let's see do people think police are too violent? Yes, campaign on that. Not that you care about police violence. The people you are trying to appeal to think blue lives matter is equally as valid as black lives matter, if not more so so I'm not sure if that's the tack you want to take
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Nov 16, 2016 02:25
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Trabisnikof posted:Which is why the ideas that the Democrats need to put "identity politics" on the back burner is doomed to fail. Why would the base accept yet another sarcrafice in the name of electability? Literally no one in the Bernie wing thinks we should stop supporting equality and fairness for minorities. Literally. No one.
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rscott posted:The people you are trying to appeal to think blue lives matter is equally as valid as black lives matter, if not more so so I'm not sure if that's the tack you want to take Well according to you that means the majority just want police violence.
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Trabisnikof posted:Which is why the ideas that the Democrats need to put "identity politics" on the back burner is doomed to fail. Why would the base accept yet another sarcrafice in the name of electability? No just don't make it a big focus. It's not worth it. Outside of liberals, who are just never going republican anyway, people don't give a gently caress and dying on that hill makes you look very very out of touch.
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menino posted:Hey all looking to see if anybody knows a good source/method to get county-level election data for President? Ideally with turnout and RV numbers as well? http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls
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Trabisnikof posted:What would you change about the DNC 2016 platform to make it acceptably progressive? It's about authenticity. We cannot trust people like you. Telephones posted:No just don't make it a big focus. It's not worth it. Outside of liberals, who are just never going republican anyway, people don't give a gently caress and dying on that hill makes you look very very out of touch. The hill to die on always involved somehow making the left the equivalent of the kkk.
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Trabisnikof posted:What would you change about the DNC 2016 platform to make it acceptably progressive? I would change it to not be so pathetic as to lose to loving Trump. What we need now is a goddamn time machine.
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Trabisnikof posted:Which is why the ideas that the Democrats need to put "identity politics" on the back burner is doomed to fail. Why would the base accept yet another sarcrafice in the name of electability? We. Can. Have. Both. There is no conflict of interest. Do you seriously think policies that help working class white Americans would somehow hurt minority Americans?
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Trabisnikof posted:What would you change about the DNC 2016 platform to make it acceptably progressive? Not have Hillary Clinton be the face of it?
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Telephones posted:No just don't make it a big focus. It's not worth it. Outside of liberals, who are just never going republican anyway, people don't give a gently caress and dying on that hill makes you look very very out of touch. O this is real guys ppl don't give a gently caress about lgbt and womens' rites...or theyre shitberals Guy Goodbody posted:Not have Hillary Clinton be the face of it? Seriously, Clinton is a big chunk of why we failed. Anybody but Clinton, and we would have been fine. Well, no, we wouldn't have - but we wouldn't have president Trump.
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It's Bernie's party now. As a free trader and a Clinton supporter, I'm happy to step back and cede it to him. If he wants to rebuild the party as a grassroots protectionist socialist party, then what-the hell-ever. Anything would better than the grassroots protectionist fascist party that is the Trump GOP.
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:We. That's the basis of third way thinking.
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Pollyanna posted:O this is real guys ppl don't give a gently caress about lgbt and womens' rites...or theyre shitberals The Democrats have campaigned hard on women's rights for the past two elections and lost both times, so an argument could be made that people don't care about women's rights. Women's rights are still important, and that should be a part of the platform and they should be fought for, but pretty clearly they can't be the primary message if you want to win elections.
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readingatwork posted:Literally no one in the Bernie wing thinks we should stop supporting equality and fairness for minorities. Literally. No one. Does the Bernie wing still think that he sufficiently addressed those issues in the primary?
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Guy Goodbody posted:Jobs. You needs jobs, good jobs for you. Except in their protest they voted for a man that has actively participated in outsourcing manufacturing. I get it. They're upset and feel economically forgotten. Ruining the economy with trade wars and falling for false promises of a return to the golden age of coal and steel and manufacturing isn't going to help. Especially while gassing undesirables. Telephones posted:America in these terms is best thought of as a set of highly personal values and a certain type of culture. It's not really a reference to the geographical region at all. I'm speaking more to the fact that these are the people that were angry at Michelle O for saying she wasn't proud of her country, have no problem w Trump running it down on a daily basis, then are offended when HRC suggests America is great already. Which is it? It's almost as if the only thing that matters is the who and not the what.
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Crowsbeak posted:That's the basis of third way thinking. Strengthening unions, increasing government benefits, and supporting mass employment policies and infrastructure projects funded by increased taxes on corporate entities and wealthy Americans is literally the opposite of Third Way politics.
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Trabisnikof posted:What would you change about the DNC 2016 platform to make it acceptably progressive? People keep pointing out the platform like it means anything. It doesn't. It's a non-binding statement of values you show to the world, not a legally binding contract with your base. Had Hillary been elected she would have most likely simply ignored whatever parts of the platform she found inconvenient. The problem isn't the platform, it's the people in power who we need to actually make the platform happen.
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:Strengthening unions, increasing government benefits, and supporting mass employment policies and infrastructure projects funded by increased taxes on corporate entities and wealthy Americans is literally the opposite of Third Way politics. No I meant that to them all poor whites are hateful troglodytes who only want to burn gays and lynch black people. So to them being socially conscious is impossible when talking to all poor people because white poor people are uniquely hateful.
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Motto posted:Does the Bernie wing still think that he sufficiently addressed those issues in the primary? I went to his rallies. He talked about minority rights a LOT. It just wasn't the main theme of his campaign. So yes, I think he did fine.
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readingatwork posted:People keep pointing out the platform like it means anything. It doesn't. It's a non-binding statement of values you show to the world, not a legally binding contract with your base. Had Hillary been elected she would have most likely simply ignored whatever parts of the platform she found inconvenient. Your post said that we would be able to start running on progressive platforms in 2020, but it sounds like you actually don't think that matters. FeedingHam2Cats posted:Strengthening unions, increasing government benefits, and supporting mass employment policies and infrastructure projects funded by increased taxes on corporate entities and wealthy Americans is literally the opposite of Third Way politics. So we're back to the establishment Democratic thinking (what you listed) and literally nothing has to change but the presidential candidate. Guy Goodbody posted:The Democrats have campaigned hard on women's rights for the past two elections and lost both times, so an argument could be made that people don't care about women's rights. Women's rights are still important, and that should be a part of the platform and they should be fought for, but pretty clearly they can't be the primary message if you want to win elections. So the 2016 platform works for 2020 just tone down the women and minority bits and replace them with more aggressive economic populism?
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