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euphronius posted:Labor might be better off in the short term supporting the GOP . At least 50/50 hahahhhahahahahahahahahaahah
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I'm a baby idiot who spent the last four years mistaking tweeting and blogging for participation in democracy. What do I need to do to make Keith Ellison DNC chairperson. At this point it looks like nothing. Nearly all the remaining party leadership seems to have backed him, and as far as i know no-one has come out in support of Dean or Harrison. I literally cannot understand why they haven't just said "y'know what, forget it" and formally withdrawn - especially Harrison.
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Fulchrum posted:At this point it looks like nothing. Nearly all the remaining party leadership seems to have backed him, and as far as i know no-one has come out in support of Dean or Harrison. I literally cannot understand why they haven't just said "y'know what, forget it" and formally withdrawn - especially Harrison. not actively backing is the same as denigrating him. speak out or gently caress off
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bump_fn posted:hahahhhahahahahahahahahaahah What Unions have supported the GOP before
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the election isn't until next near so there's still time for a third way resistance for form it may just be me itching for a fight tho, i spent a lot of time on that list!
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Zikan posted:i'm in a call for a immigrant rights organization and their explicit strategy is a general strike 
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what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing
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bump_fn posted:not actively backing is the same as denigrating him. speak out or gently caress off Okay, so they're denigrating all choices equally. Seems fair to me. Dnc chair doesn't need a unanimous mandate from all elected officials. Ellisson will not need their love, just their compliance. Zikan posted:the election isn't until next near so there's still time for a third way resistance for form Unlikely. With how people are talking Brazille may be pressured to step down within weeks, and Ellisson would most likely be named interim. Yeah, there'd be a proper election in March still, but you can't really build a case against the guy who just got the job that quickly.
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On one hand, their candidate lost to Donald Trump. On the other hand, the yaas queen cannot be failed, she can only be failed.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing well, they can't blame vince foster any more...
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:Same, but there's a real frustration with the higher ups in the labor movement. put the commies in charge again imo
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resar posted:put the commies in charge again imo ... Wait, I've only ever posted in the Bernie thread. Is it kosher to emptyquote here?
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Nov 16, 2016 03:03
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing I like how this is based on the premise that you know progressives will do really poorly in 2018, but they are still absolutely the right choice. Crazy thought, but maybe these people aren't acting out of malice, and after seeing that their path doesn't work, instead of wailing and raging, accept the defeat and want to empower people who can fight better?
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Nov 16, 2016 03:03
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing if they dont win the next two elections the democratic party is finished along with their jobs and networks. also, after all this? they're probably gonna need a little socialism to balance things out. okay its probably the first one: they want jobs.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:03
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Zikan posted:i'm in a call for a immigrant rights organization and their explicit strategy is a general strike god bless
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if we're ever getting a great depression/ww2/civil rights movement level event happening our political lifetimes its probably within the next few years.
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euphronius posted:Labor might be better off in the short term supporting the GOP . At least 50/50 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-did-really-well-with-union-households_us_582367d0e4b0aac62488cc32 Caveat: There are no completely reliable data on the votes of union members specifically. But Tuesday’s exit polling, which deserves a grain of salt, suggests that Hillary Clinton did worse among union households than the Democratic candidate has done in recent elections. (”Union household” is different from union member ― the designation includes not only union members but voters who live with one.) The national exit polls gave Clinton an 8-point advantage in union households. She did better in some states: In Michigan, Clinton had a 16-point margin among union households. But those would still be weak performances compared with other recent candidates. Exit polls from 2012 showed Obama taking union households by 18 points.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:06
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing I guess the only answer is to take it and make it work. Maybe it fails, and maybe they will, but I doubt they have that plan now. Hubris got us into this situation, a genuine ground-up grassroots movement is almost certainly the only way out. If a true and renewed democratic party of real every day people can't get us out of this, pretty sure were hosed whether they take it back or not. So if that is their plan and I don't believe it is yet, we ought to make sure they're way too loving late.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:08
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Zikan posted:i'm in a call for a immigrant rights organization and their explicit strategy is a general strike Hail Satan
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bernie sanders is just doing this because he has a book out <---- anyone done this take yet? it's mine
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing What if?!?!?!?!
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What if progressives spent their chance to be in charge on infighting and petty grievances?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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It doesn't matter how much the left fights itself on twitter if we win our fights in the DNC. Ellison is just the first step to that and so far I'm finding it hard to imagine somebody else stepping in and fracturing the progressives when all the progressive big names have already endorsed him.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:17
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Any winning popular front is probably going to consist of the DNC and DSA with support on the street from the socialists.
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Lastgirl posted:It helps to have a solid track record too, in the long run he will absolutely be looked back as a key figure that orchestrated a leftist shift for the democrats. Sanders will be looked back as one of the most important figures in American politics in 20 years. NutritiousSnack posted:The actual truth was hilarious enough. She was crying and blaming the FBI/Obama. She as always was a sore loser and coward Source? punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 03:22 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Karl Barks posted:bernie sanders is just doing this because he has a book out <---- anyone done this take yet? it's mine His book includes pictures of Bruce Rappaport labeled as him. Pretty hosed up if you ask me.
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hobotrashcanfires posted:I guess the only answer is to take it and make it work. Maybe it fails, and maybe they will, but I doubt they have that plan now. Hubris got us into this situation, a genuine ground-up grassroots movement is almost certainly the only way out. If a true and renewed democratic party of real every day people can't get us out of this, pretty sure were hosed whether they take it back or not. If that's their plan, we can foil it by retaking the house and a majority of governorships in 2018, ensuring that there is no way for them to claim failure. Hah, won't they look stupid then?
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euphronius posted:What they got decimated for it
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Anyone got that "this labor day, Republicans support union workers" thing from the 50s?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306195-dnc-charter-requires-chairman-be-full-time I like that Shills for hill. Still got too many in uspol.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:... Wait, I've only ever posted in the Bernie thread. Is it kosher to emptyquote here? *nods* this is the chillax forum
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q&t=163s any day now
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resar posted:put the commies in charge again imo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Management_Relations_Act_of_1947#Anti-communism They were so good at organizing strikes that it became illegal for union heads to be part of the communist party. Labor went downhill and lame and bent the knee to Dems ever since
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what if the dem leadership is embracing progressives so they can blame them for a bad election in 2018 and purge them again? Im just having a hard time accepting all these ancient neoliberal third way shits who have dominated the party for a generation are just surrendering this easily to a takeover by the progressive wing It's because Bernie went to them and said "courting progressives = keeping your jobs"
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Zikan posted:i'm in a call for a immigrant rights organization and their explicit strategy is a general strike "General strike" are the most beautiful words in the english language. Well, besides wildcat
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Deimus posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Management_Relations_Act_of_1947#Anti-communism capital gonna capital
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Grimoire posted:"General strike" are the most beautiful words in the english language. Well, besides wildcat two great tastes that taste great together 
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anime was right posted:if we're ever getting a great depression/ww2/civil rights movement level event happening our political lifetimes its probably within the next few years. Pretty much. Trump was the last straw.
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