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Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Evil Fluffy posted:

nobody in Congress wants to roll the dice on what his crazy white wing followers would do in response to what they'd see as a coup
I choose to believe this is not a typo.

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Hollismason posted:

So everything I'm reading is saying the transition team is a flaming hot mess of terribleness , that Kushner Trumps son in law is purging the ranks of anyone even connected to Christie and that there's basically no Republicans willing to take key positions in the administration for fear of just abject failure the administration will be.


So here's the question. What do they do if they don't have their poo poo together by Jan. ? Isn't there over a 1000 different appointments that need to be made not including staff?


Cause pretty sure the Executive Branch has to like function.

He'll be impeached.

Evil Fluffy posted:

The GOP will just make sure Pence and others are sufficiently sweet-talking Trump when they need bills signed while the Secret Service ends up babysitting him for the next several years. Also Black Lives Matter or some other movement will be painted as the source of problems that Trump's having/causing, so that the racist base go after them instead of the GOP.

The "sweet talk Trump into playing ball" strategy has already fallen apart and it's only been a week.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Reminder : Chris Christie prosecuted Kushner's father and sent him to jail.

It's a real problem if Kushner get's top secret clearance and if anyone would be indicted it would be him so he can follow his father to jail.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

I choose to believe this is not a typo.

Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

People can like their ancestral homes and their birthplace, but that doesn't give those places a right to exist.

I think you might have some opinions that could use some perspective.

Not that you don't have good personal reasons for them. But when you just swap out targets and it is fine you might want to think about how that is morally acceptable.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

Reminder : Chris Christie prosecuted Kushner's father and sent him to jail.

It's a real problem if Kushner get's top secret clearance and if anyone would be indicted it would be him so he can follow his father to jail.
It's problematic at best that any of these clowns are going to get security clearances that they never would have a chance to get otherwise. You know they won't be able to help themselves.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Telephones posted:

Why is he so hated? How did he ran earn the ire of Republicans?

All he cares about is his own political career and looking good to his Tea Party base. He forced a government shutdown that none of the other Republicans wanted

Also, apparently he's personally pretty unpleasant.

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013

Fojar38 posted:

He'll be impeached.


The "sweet talk Trump into playing ball" strategy has already fallen apart and it's only been a week.

I mean who the gently caress knows? At this point all we're doing is idly speculating. None of us know what is actually happening behind the scenes.

Telephones fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Nov 16, 2016

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Basically everyone, Republican and Democrat, has gotten corncobbed this election but literally nobody has gotten as corncobbed as Chris Christie. I mean goddamn.

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Fojar38 posted:

Basically everyone, Republican and Democrat, has gotten corncobbed this election but literally nobody has gotten as corncobbed as Chris Christie. I mean goddamn.

Please use his proper name.

Fat Reek.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

Basically everyone, Republican and Democrat, has gotten corncobbed this election but literally nobody has gotten as corncobbed as Chris Christie. I mean goddamn.

It's not like he didn't deserve it.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Fojar38 posted:

Basically everyone, Republican and Democrat, has gotten corncobbed this election but literally nobody has gotten as corncobbed as Chris Christie. I mean goddamn.

It's pretty great.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



Pillbug
https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/798744126292455424

over/under on Trump starting WW3?

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Also, doesn't the President get really in depth reports on the Financial Markets and has access to information that normal investors would not have?

1-800-DOCTORB
Nov 6, 2009

Hollismason posted:

So everything I'm reading is saying the transition team is a flaming hot mess of terribleness , that Kushner Trumps son in law is purging the ranks of anyone even connected to Christie and that there's basically no Republicans willing to take key positions in the administration for fear of just abject failure the administration will be.


So here's the question. What do they do if they don't have their poo poo together by Jan. ? Isn't there over a 1000 different appointments that need to be made not including staff?


Cause pretty sure the Executive Branch has to like function.

If no cabinet positions are filled Pence can invoke section 4 of the 25th Amendment by himself.

A Shitty Reporter
Oct 29, 2012
Dinosaur Gum

Grognan posted:

I think you might have some opinions that could use some perspective.

Not that you don't have good personal reasons for them. But when you just swap out targets and it is fine you might want to think about how that is morally acceptable.

What does this even mean? Please use complete thoughts and sentences.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

Also, doesn't the President get really in depth reports on the Financial Markets and has access to information that normal investors would not have?
Yes, and you know Trump or one of his people will screw up somewhere along the line and make money off of it

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

this is going to be the most corrupt administration since loving harding huh?

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

What exactly do you think an over/under is?

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Obama's administration basically just took Bush's and discontinued most of the heinous poo poo, and flipped from socially conservative to socially liberal. They lubed up the federal dick and that was enough for most people to stop complaining.

Don't exaggerate. Bush would never in a million years have issued the Clean Power Plan, his Justice Department wouldn't bother trying to investigate or get consent decrees on police departments that extrajudicially murder black people, and his Labor Department wouldn't ever issue the kind of rulings on overtime and safety requirements that Obama's has. And neither will Trump's. There's "Obama wasn't as groundbreaking as I would like" and then there's "Obama is just Bush but black and with the serial numbers filed off!!!!" and one of them is a stupid loving thing to say.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes, and you know Trump or one of his people will screw up somewhere along the line and make money off of it

Yeah, at this point it's kind of a question of when.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Monaghan posted:

this is going to be the most corrupt administration since loving harding huh?

Oh, most definitely.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

A lovely Reporter posted:

What does this even mean? Please use complete thoughts and sentences.

Hey I saw a poster who had literally posted in the Rural poverty thread, a thread about people that live away from cities voice an completely heinous opinion that was only acceptable because it had a target that was, say "deplorable".

If literal genocidal actions are ok if the target is, then you do not have a moral high ground in perspective. Even though someone might have justified personal feelings towards the subject.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Boon posted:

What exactly do you think an over/under is?

The over/under on Trump starting WWIII is July 10, 2017.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

Yeah, at this point it's kind of a question of when.
He's already got ads for his properties on a .gov website so it's not like he has even a tiny bit of restraint.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Monaghan posted:

this is going to be the most corrupt administration since loving harding huh?

Corruption only succeeds if you manage to hide it which uhhhh Trump isn't doing very well

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Completely unrelated, what kind of age brackets we looking at for a hypothetical draft?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes, and you know Trump or one of his people will screw up somewhere along the line and make money off of it

This is why Dems should when power is returned be ready to use the legal system against the Trumpers.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Mustached Demon posted:

Completely unrelated, what kind of age brackets we looking at for a hypothetical draft?

The draft isn't gonna happen again for gently caress's sake. Large scale land battles aren't gonna happen and the miltary knows that a draft turns the populace against a war almost instantly.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Quorum posted:

The over/under on Trump starting WWIII is July 10, 2017.

Over by 5 months.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Wait, I am unclear on Senate Rules. Who can call a congressional hearing or investigation. Is it only the Majority party? Or can like the Democrats do the same thing the Republicans have with just investigate the hell out of the administration?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Mustached Demon posted:

Completely unrelated, what kind of age brackets we looking at for a hypothetical draft?
It's not happening.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



Pillbug

Mustached Demon posted:

Completely unrelated, what kind of age brackets we looking at for a hypothetical draft?

If Trump brought back the draft there would literally be rioting in the streets

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Hollismason posted:

Wait, I am unclear on Senate Rules. Who can call a congressional hearing or investigation. Is it only the Majority party? Or can like the Democrats do the same thing the Republicans have with just investigate the hell out of the administration?

It's committees that have the power to do those kinds of things, either standing committees (like the Senate Armed Forces committee) or select ones (BENGHAZI, though that was a House committee), which are created for a specific single purpose. Committees always are chaired by a member of the majority party, and always have more votes from the majority party, which is why they get used to bury legislation the majority party never wants to reach the floor.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Mustached Demon posted:

Completely unrelated, what kind of age brackets we looking at for a hypothetical draft?

20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19, 18 in that order

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I was almost positive that Congress had powers to investigate.

Dafte
Jul 21, 2001

Techno. Logical. Pimp.

HorseRenoir posted:

If Trump brought back the draft there would literally be rioting in the streets

Calm down people.

technocr4t
Jun 3, 2014

HorseRenoir posted:

If Trump brought back the draft there would literally be rioting in the streets

This is already happening and he's not even in office yet. Surely the reaction to a draft would be even more severe...

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Hollismason posted:

I was almost positive that Congress had powers to investigate.

Whoever controls congress controls the investigations.

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000

HorseRenoir posted:

If Trump brought back the draft there would literally be rioting in the streets
There is literally rioting in the streets because Trump was elected President. He's still going to be President.

I don't think there's going to be a draft either but at this point you're foolish not to entertain the possibility. Whatever political maxims and common sense you've been relying on to navigate the world up to now need to be fully reexamined from first principles, and thrown out if found wanting.

We have a population that adores soldiers even as they go off to fight wars that nobody wants them to fight in. I can absolutely see the public getting behind forcing kids to join the military, on the basis of it building character or whatever other poo poo.

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Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Hollismason posted:

I was almost positive that Congress had powers to investigate.

Yes, but each chamber delegates those powers to its committees, because a Committee of the Whole doing an investigation would be :laffo:. Even impeachment hearings are mostly done by the Judiciary Committee. The Senate does the trial as a Committee of the Whole though.

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