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Come to think, would it be worth it to spend the mythril to draw on the Keeper's Choice 1 set to guarantee access to Ramza's Grand Armor? It seems like putting in Exdeath and Ramza has helped me to improve on my hone quantity, and thus at this point all I'm really missing is a medica. For reference, I swapped them in for Fran/Red XIII, and besides needing to give Mako Might to Exdeath instead of Gordon my setup was doing relatively well aside from the several AoEs that Grand Cross can't block.
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What are the top tier BSB's that we have access to? I have Wakka, Fang and Butz. Haven't used Butz's much yet but Wakka is great for the breakdowns and I've never not had Fang's up since the initial attack causes Imperil:Wind. I know Cecil, Zidane and Greg are up there, any others to hope for?
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Nov 16, 2016 19:56
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Off the top of my head, the top 5, no particular order, are Vaan, Firion, Ashe, Maria and Eiko.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:58
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I feel like asking what the top end of Bursts is sort of like asking what the best pie is. Sure, you can make legitimate arguments for some pies being better than others, and overall some pies are more popular, but they're all so good. I guess Tiny Bee is your mincemeat pie or something, by that logic. Maybe plain custard?
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Nov 16, 2016 20:05
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tiny bee would be the whipped cream pies clowns toss at each other, at no point intended for actual consumption
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Tiny Bee is actually perfectly fine if you're not comparing it to true healing BSBs or to second/third generation DPS BSBs. Comparing it to other very early BSBs shows that it's unexciting but fine. It lets you run Yuna as a pure summoner on a mage team, stretching out her hones and letting her help a little (emphasis on little) with healing if things get really rough.
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Nov 16, 2016 20:20
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didnt have much problems with Leviathan, but he is a big dum dum poopy head
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Nov 16, 2016 20:34
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Zurai posted:Tiny Bee is actually perfectly fine if you're not comparing it to true healing BSBs or to second/third generation DPS BSBs. Comparing it to other very early BSBs shows that it's unexciting but fine. It lets you run Yuna as a pure summoner on a mage team, stretching out her hones and letting her help a little (emphasis on little) with healing if things get really rough. Put it another way; It's Magitek Missile strapped to a 20% Mag buff, a self Haste, and the ability to spam 8/9ths power two hit Meteors that won't trigger basically any Counter effects ever. On a magic gun, which isn't really the best magic gear. I mean, if you're comparing it to SSBs, it still looks really good.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:What are the top tier BSB's that we have access to? I have Wakka, Fang and Butz. Haven't used Butz's much yet but Wakka is great for the breakdowns and I've never not had Fang's up since the initial attack causes Imperil:Wind. I know Cecil, Zidane and Greg are up there, any others to hope for? Right now I would list the top BSBs as something like: Vaan, Firion, Maria, Ashe, Eiko, Vanille, and Celes. Others like Tyro and Faris have the potential to be really great too.
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 I rejiggered things in my party, and for the most part this group is capable of weathering Necrophobe's damage output during phase 2. The problem, however, is that I failed the DPS race and ended up in phase 3 with perhaps 50K HP still left to be dealt. What should I then try doing to improve things in this regard? One thought I had was to shelve the party for now, give Ramza my Platinum Shield and both copies of Banishing Strike, farm up a few RMs (such as Holy Might, Secrets of the Qu, or One-Eyed General), and strip off the KO-resist gear in favor of more stat buffs. Edit: Or I could find a place to sub in Basch for his corresponding Apocalypse Shield buff. KnoxZone posted:Right now I would list the top BSBs as something like: Vaan, Firion, Maria, Ashe, Eiko, Vanille, and Celes. Others like Tyro and Faris have the potential to be really great too. NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Serah's is "standard en-element mage BSB". Those are all pretty good, and there's only a few in Global right now, but Serah's still isn't any better(or for that matter, worse) than Vivi's. Though it is more noticeable just because no one likes Mote Ifrit. The reason Ashe and Maria get mentions is because Ashe's straight up does more damage than normal(and self-heals on top of that), while Maria's self-buffs mag and, with enough magic, does more damage than normal for one of those.
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Nov 16, 2016 21:29
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Considering Nightmare Guardian is an awful, terrible design trainwreck of a battle what does a Shove That Gimmick Up Its Mouth setup look like with no Reunion?
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Nov 16, 2016 21:31
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Another thing with Ashe's is that her BSB relic is a +Lightning armor, so if you're willing to take the bulk hit and slight magic hit out of realm (which you probably should, given that she can self-heal) it adds even more power to her BSB.
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Yeah, I sorta skimmed that(because value of relic as a package with the Burst is somewhat of a subjective thing), but Vivi's staff is +fire. So Proof of Existance tends to get hype due to being a one stop shop for burning wreckage. You can even get +fire gear 100% of the time out of Keeper 2 for a double strengthen.
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SageAcrin posted:Yeah, I sorta skimmed that(because value of relic as a package with the Burst is somewhat of a subjective thing), but Vivi's staff is +fire. You lose significantly more magic by using an out of realm weapon than an out of realm armor, though.
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NGDBSS posted:Come to think, would it be worth it to spend the mythril to draw on the Keeper's Choice 1 set to guarantee access to Ramza's Grand Armor? It seems like putting in Exdeath and Ramza has helped me to improve on my hone quantity, and thus at this point all I'm really missing is a medica. Tailwind is percentage based, I think, so it's a decent stopgap if you don't have a stronger medica. It's handy mostly because it's on Ramza.
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Nightmare Necrophobe down and mastered Team: PCecil (LV90) | Pride of the Red Wings | Excalibur (FF4)/Thunder Gloves/Thief's Stole | Lifesiphon R4/Saint Cross R3 (BSB: Paladin Force) Tyro (LV95) | Dr. Mog's Teachings | Sentinel's Grimoire+++/Crystal Helm+++/Squall's Necklace | Lifesiphon R4/Carbuncle R3 (SBs: Sentinel's Grimoire, Keeper's Tome) Faris (LV80) | Secrets of the Qu | Soul Sabre++/Armguard/Victory Pendant | Mental Breakdown R3/Armor Breakdown R3 (SB: Sea Lord's Barrage) Ramza (LV87) | Mako Might | Icebrand+++ (FF5)/Edincoat/Aries | Power Breakdown R4/Magic Breakdown R4 (SBs: Shout, Tailwind) Rosa (LV75) | Battleforged | Artemis Bow/Healer's Robe/Gigas Armlet | Shellga R1/Wrath R4 (SSB: Divine Heal) RW: Shout This one took lots of retries and team reconfigurations to get right, and even then on the successful run I was basically bonedry on ability uses by the end and Tyro died at the very end when Necrophobe made it to the last phase of the fight and blew him up with Nightmare Flare before his last HP went away. Thank GOD I had both Tailwind and Divine Heal for that fight, all those AOE heals were a blessing to have. And yeah all 4 guardians kind of sucked for different reasons: Leviathan because of the fact he's in FF3 and my FF3 RS may as well not exist, Rubicante...in theory would have been thanks to the cloak but he never used it once, Jenova DEATH due to how hard and fast it hit right off the bat, and the FF12 one just due to the sheer amount of AOE spam towards the end of the fight. Now to keep stockpiling mythril for the FF3 event.
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IcePhoenix posted:You lose significantly more magic by using an out of realm weapon than an out of realm armor, though. And it's not as good of a Burst, either! Dusk's Decree is so good. 
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Tailwind is percentage based, I think, so it's a decent stopgap if you don't have a stronger medica. It's handy mostly because it's on Ramza.
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I already have Faris, Bartz, Rinoa, Cloud and Ramza's BSBs, so hopefully I won't pull any of those. Well, Ramza and Rinoa's wouldn't be bad since I could combine them, but I'd still rather get something new. Leviathan was terrible, since I have no petrify resist accessories. I also completely screwed up the first fight, accidentally keeping Faris in the back row so she was dealing garbage damage, and forgetting to wear water resist accessories on top of that. I won, but I didn't master it, so I had to do it again. It went much better the second time, didn't even petrify anyone (though I gave Selphie Esuna just in case). Since I'm behind on Nightmares, I just did Quadruple Foul today, and it went very well. Being able to stack Maria's Song/Shout was a huge help, and so was someone saying what to do in plain English. The official Reddit guide explained the barriers and stated what stat to lower which got me confused, so someone going "Hey use Power on top and Armor on bottom, then Magic on top and Mental on bottom the second time" was appreciated. I guess now I need to figure out how to take on the Tonberries.
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btw, the 12 boss is easily the worst of the lot Another stupid as gently caress RNG fight where you basically lost if Break works on someone, while being tanky as poo poo and absurdly fast(getting 3-4 turns before even getting anything up isnt retarded at all, nope.)
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Hey guys, I grabbed this back near the start and then my phone died and I forgot about my ages... I'm slowly building up my roster and 5*s and the like, but I was just wondering if it's worth spending the 1 Mythril to restore my stamina to burn through the now hundreds of story missions? Is the extra stamina I'll have more or less useful in the long run than the 5*s I'd be pulling quicker?
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SomeKindofVerb posted:Hey guys, I grabbed this back near the start and then my phone died and I forgot about my ages... I'm slowly building up my roster and 5*s and the like, but I was just wondering if it's worth spending the 1 Mythril to restore my stamina to burn through the now hundreds of story missions? Is the extra stamina I'll have more or less useful in the long run than the 5*s I'd be pulling quicker? Buying stamina is basically never worth it, as I understand. And it's never ever worth it for regular story missions that aren't going anywhere.
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SomeKindofVerb posted:Hey guys, I grabbed this back near the start and then my phone died and I forgot about my ages... I'm slowly building up my roster and 5*s and the like, but I was just wondering if it's worth spending the 1 Mythril to restore my stamina to burn through the now hundreds of story missions? Is the extra stamina I'll have more or less useful in the long run than the 5*s I'd be pulling quicker?
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SomeKindofVerb posted:Hey guys, I grabbed this back near the start and then my phone died and I forgot about my ages... I'm slowly building up my roster and 5*s and the like, but I was just wondering if it's worth spending the 1 Mythril to restore my stamina to burn through the now hundreds of story missions? Is the extra stamina I'll have more or less useful in the long run than the 5*s I'd be pulling quicker? I'm going to be the dissenting opinion and say I burned a bunch of mythril to do story dungeons early on, and I don't regret it. I was having fun grinding the story dungeons, so I kept buying stamina refreshes up until I hit ~90 max stamina, at which point I had enough to keep playing as much as I wanted to each day. Having higher max stamina means you get more stamina every day when it recharges overnight, which is going to add up over time; it also means that when you do buy stamina refreshes during an orbfest (like the one supposedly coming up next month), you get more bang for your buck. Plus it's the only way to keep playing the game if you're having fun but you're out of stamina. As long as you're only spending mythril to run dungeons that give you mythril (which is every story dungeon), you're going to come out net positive on mythril, too. I realize this is a limited resource that eventually runs dry, but it takes a long drat time for that to happen. I've been grinding story dungeons since I started a couple months ago and I'm still only about 75% done.
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I never noticed how in the nightmare dungeon menus it mistakenly puts the word "Rounds" in place of "Difficulty". So it's telling me there are 160 rounds in some of these boss fights.
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That guaranteed BSB draw  I already have Paladin Cecil, Faris (x2), Celes, Lightning, Terra, and Eiko and I'm still 100% pulling on that. What a deal!
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My only BSBs so far are Yuna's and Rinoa's. It'd be nice to get a physical one but I'm assuming my march towards OP mage meta will continue
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U-DO Burger posted:My only BSBs so far are Yuna's and Rinoa's. It'd be nice to get a physical one but I'm assuming my march towards OP mage meta will continue If you get the Artemis Bow II, embrace the mage meta and laugh at anyone who dares not resist/null Earth. And then try your hardest to start whaling out for anything with potential Imperil Earths.
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KnoxZone posted:Right now I would list the top BSBs as something like: Vaan, Firion, Maria, Ashe, Eiko, Vanille, and Celes. Others like Tyro and Faris have the potential to be really great too. As an owner of Faris' BSB and a lover of Faris, I'm still going to say that BSB is overhyped. The difference between full break and full BD is pretty minimal, and the burst commands are basically bog-standard breakdowns. And in any event you want your breaks up ASAP in the fight, so you pretty much need to give her a SB RM. There are only two of those and one RW, so bringing Shout/Wall/Stacking Debuff (like Vaan's)/Some other utility SB is often more important to me than Faris' Burst. If you've got a great mage BSB, you often want to give one of them a SB RM as well, since it can take a long time for mages without Support 4 to get their SBs going. There are ways to handle it, like bringing your own Full Break and breakdowns until you build up gauge, but then she's really not offering much over a standard damage SSB. Or you can give her Wrath to try and get her SB gauge up as quickly as possible, but then you're probably screwing up your boostga on her and nerfing her damage terribly. If I don't have other good SB options I really want to bring I'll still use her and her burst because I like her, but as a BSB it's not that hot. IMO. Edit: Shoenin posted:BSSB draw comes during Kain 1 doesnt it Yeah, both FFIV banners should still be around, and the first FFIII banner should be up before the LD goes live. I'm guessing the FFIV items will be on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the FFIII items aren't. They are probably expecting the OK banner to be a big draw, and it only goes up 1 day before the Lucky Draw. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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KataraniSword posted:Artemis Bow II How many 5* Artemis Bows are there even? There's at least three, if I'm remembering it right...
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Kawalimus posted:Half price or full price it's a go for me. I have 4 BSBs, one Keeper's Tome I rarely use, and one of them is Excalibur IV which grows dated. Hope I get one of those four-rainbows. Don't use Tyro a lot or do you already have SG? Since I don't have SG natively I use Keeper's Tome always so I don't need to worry about slotting either protectga or shellga, and the extra bit of mitigation is always nice.
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AweStriker posted:How many 5* Artemis Bows are there even? There's at least three, if I'm remembering it right... There's three: FF2 (Meteor XIV), FF4 (Divine Heal) and FF5 (Beryl Serpent). There's also three Yoichi Bows in FF3, 5, and 12. There's also six Defenders - 5* in FF2, 9, 12, and Tactics, 4* in FF1, and 3* in FF4.
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Changed my RW to Maria BSB, geared for FFXIII dungeons. FRiend code: 2edR
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Maria's Meteor XIV is actually not an artemis bow at all, but the Rune-Graven Bow  Speaking of which, if I have that, is it worth throwing a pull at Kain 1 for a chance at Rydia BSB or Yang's Imperil Earth?
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Zebia posted:Don't use Tyro a lot or do you already have SG? Since I don't have SG natively I use Keeper's Tome always so I don't need to worry about slotting either protectga or shellga, and the extra bit of mitigation is always nice. Yeah I already had SG. Funny enough, I drew twice on that banner(BSB banner 3) because I wanted Wutai Headband. I said to myself "You know, I bet since I'm not really after Keeper's Tome at all, I'll wind up pulling it". Sure enough, on my first one that's what came out, with a Seifer Coat. Then on my second pull I got Dreamstage. So I quit after that. But of course when I was trying for a down-banner item, I get two headliners.
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Schwartzcough posted:As an owner of Faris' BSB and a lover of Faris, I'm still going to say that BSB is overhyped. The difference between full break and full BD is pretty minimal, and the burst commands are basically bog-standard breakdowns. And in any event you want your breaks up ASAP in the fight, so you pretty much need to give her a SB RM. There are only two of those and one RW, so bringing Shout/Wall/Stacking Debuff (like Vaan's)/Some other utility SB is often more important to me than Faris' Burst. If you've got a great mage BSB, you often want to give one of them a SB RM as well, since it can take a long time for mages without Support 4 to get their SBs going. The BSB is a little underwhelming but it works as a solid full breakdown midway through the fight (probably when Ramza is shouting again) - and it also does a sizable chunk of damage that I can totally see underestimated. I have her fully sphered up and she's probably my favourite team member just from how flexible she can be built; breakdowns, machinist statuses, aoe full break, and heavy damage with sapphire shot/thief's raid/mug bloodlust. It's more that it's an alright BSB on an amazing character, rather than some other examples where it's an excellent BSB on a mediocre character.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Maria's Meteor XIV is actually not an artemis bow at all, but the Rune-Graven Bow Oops, right, the Artemis bow was her thunder faithga.  I don't think even an Imperil Earth would justify bringing Yang; he's pretty not-very-good. Then again, Meteor Crash would be all he needs, so 
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