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mcmagic posted:I think the vast majority are secular and not affiliated with a certain sect. According to PEW, only 22% of American Jews are secular. Of the rest, the majority are indeed Reform.
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Here is when Obama got his team in order in 2008, to compare against Trump:quote:Obama Starts to Assemble Administration (Nov. 23): Obama nominates Timothy F. Geithner, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, as treasury secretary. In addition, he selects former treasury secretary Lawrence H. Summers as the head of the White House Economic Council. Feel free to parse that if you want, but basically he had everything in order by Christmas and started with the Treasury and the FED (since we were in the middle of a huge economic catastrophe). His first real solid nominations were on Nov 23, which is in about a week.
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crazy cloud posted:I'm half jewish so i can b critical of apartheid but if i say too much the real jews will disappear me, g-d bless Goon luck friend, see you at the Daywalker Blood Cabal
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Harrow posted:It's one of those things where she's been right about some important things but hoo boy, she's really getting into this whole, "America is being turned into a fascist authoritarian state right under our noses, you all need to coordinate and fight this. I won't tell you any ideas for where to even start, though. Also ask yourself why Obama is capitulating so easily. No, I won't give you any hints, I already said too much!" This was the post I was looking for to confirm my beliefs and skepticism. I will continue to watch from afar from underneath my blanket for the time being. Thanks.
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mcmagic posted:I think the vast majority are secular and not affiliated with a certain sect. I think a lot of secular jews would call themselves Reform even if they barely practice just like there's tons of self-identified Catholics and Lutherans etc who go to Church a couple times a year.
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Nov 16, 2016 21:56
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Business Gorillas posted:That's what reform is, idiot Can you say more about this? I honestly have no clue about this stuff and I thought Reform Judaism wasn't secular.
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botany posted:According to PEW, only 22% of American Jews are secular. Of the rest, the majority are indeed Reform. I just saw one that says 30% Unaffiliated and 35% Reformed. Guess I'm wrong. I do think there is some bleed over though.
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Nov 16, 2016 21:57
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mcmagic posted:I think the vast majority are secular and not affiliated with a certain sect. Reform judaism is not a sect, and can include secular jews. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/ quote:One-third (35%) of all U.S. Jews identify with the Reform movement, while 18% identify with Conservative Judaism, 10% with Orthodox Judaism and 6% with a variety of smaller groups, such as the Reconstructionist and Jewish Renewal movements. About three-in-ten American Jews (including 19% of Jews by religion and two-thirds of Jews of no religion) say they do not identify with any particular Jewish denomination. I appreciate your interest in all of this, but I'll tell you what I told the other guy, please talk to your jewish friends, or make some before forming an opinion on What Jews Are Like.
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Nov 16, 2016 21:58
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Scent of Worf posted:Sarah Kendzior is literally insane. Don't do this to yourself. What's unreasonable here in a US without net neutrality?
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Nov 16, 2016 21:59
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Business Gorillas posted:That's what reform is, idiot I will take: "  I know actually literally nothing about what I am talking about. "for 400, Alex.
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Nov 16, 2016 21:59
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Reform judaism is not a sect, and can include secular jews. The only Jew I need in my life is Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ   e: Whoa there's a lot of jews in this thread!!
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Reform judaism is not a sect, and can include secular jews. I'm a Jew and I've always viewed Reformed Judaism as a sect. There are Reformed Temples and national Reformed organizations.
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Now, from a Catholic perspective, it's really weird to hear the term "Secular Jew." Doesn't that just make you either an atheist or agonistic?
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Nov 16, 2016 22:00
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I'm phoneposting but it's pretty much this:MaxxBot posted:I think a lot of secular jews would call themselves Reform even if they barely practice just like there's tons of self-identified Catholics and Lutherans etc who go to Church a couple times a year. There aren't any major qualifiers to being Reform, that's sort of the point. You can go to temple every Saturday or just be like "ehh, im jewish, whatever". There aren't any devout Reform Jews because those are what Conservative Jews are.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:01
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This really explains why D&D is so globalist.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:01
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I converted to Judaism and am secular. I'll let you puzzle that one out
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Nov 16, 2016 22:02
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botany posted:Can you say more about this? I honestly have no clue about this stuff and I thought Reform Judaism wasn't secular. From what I learned being raised jewish, there are three sort of "levels" of faith: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform. Reform is the most liberal and least strict about rules, while Orthodox is the most strict. Someone who practices Judaism fervently and with a lot of attention to the tenants is probably not going to be Reform. There are other differences and nuances I'm sure, but that ordering is an easy way to remember it.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:02
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Covok posted:Now, from a Catholic perspective, it's really weird to hear the term "Secular Jew." Doesn't that just make you either an atheist or agonistic? I'm a secular Jew. I identify as myself as Jewish culturally but I haven't been to temple in like 10 years and don't practice any of the aspects of the religion other than having dinner with my family on some of the holidays. People who I know who are "reformed" and would identify themselves as that do much more than I do. I don't think we belong in the same category.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:02
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botany posted:Can you say more about this? I honestly have no clue about this stuff and I thought Reform Judaism wasn't secular. The nutshell version is that Reform jews acknowledge that the bible is not the word of god, that ethics and discussion are more important than ceremony, and that judaism must be a continuous, progressive evolution of an ancient culture, not a fundamental adherence to ancient laws. For example, I am an atheist, and a reform jew, and neither I nor my rabbi see any conflict with that whatsoever.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:03
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Reform judaism is not a sect, and can include secular jews. But that source makes a difference between Reform and secular Jews? Also not all of us are Americans, so I'd appreciate the info, since it's not that easy to make friends with US-based Jews for some of us  My German Jewish friends are not super helpful here.edit: Apparently I took way too long to answer! Dr. Fishopolis posted:The nutshell version is that Reform jews acknowledge that the bible is not the word of god, that ethics and discussion are more important than ceremony, and that judaism must be a continuous, progressive evolution of an ancient culture, not a fundamental adherence to ancient laws. For example, I am an atheist, and a reform jew, and neither I nor my rabbi see any conflict with that whatsoever. Thanks, that's interesting and makes sense to me!
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And I call THIS level SSJ3 (super secular Jew 3)
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:The nutshell version is that Reform jews acknowledge that the bible is not the word of god, that ethics and discussion are more important than ceremony, and that judaism must be a continuous, progressive evolution of an ancient culture, not a fundamental adherence to ancient laws. For example, I am an atheist, and a reform jew, and neither I nor my rabbi see any conflict with that whatsoever. You have a Rabbi. Probably a reform Rabbi. I haven't spoken to a Rabbi in 10 years. You're reform, I'm secular.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:04
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Covok posted:Now, from a Catholic perspective, it's really weird to hear the term "Secular Jew." Doesn't that just make you either an atheist or agonistic? Business Gorillas posted:I'm phoneposting but it's pretty much this: As an addendum: it stems from Jewishness being both a quality of religion and culture. A Reform Jew is often someone who might not be regularly religious, but is still culturally/ethnically Jewish. It's weird because I can't really think of another religion which is an ethnicity off the top of my head. e: Dr. Fishopolis gave a good summary. Reform Jews are culturally/ethnically Jewish people who believe that making the world a good place is more than just adherence to scripture.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:05
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Raenir Salazar posted:What's unreasonable here in a US without net neutrality? 1) That's not what net neutrality is. 2) Even if it was, that wouldn't happen on 1/20 3) This lady's primary residence is in London and she lives in St. Louis part time. 4) Trump is not going to disappear this specific lady. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Covok posted:Now, from a Catholic perspective, it's really weird to hear the term "Secular Jew." Doesn't that just make you either an atheist or agonistic? Because being Jewish is also cultural and an ethnicity; of which the religious component can sometimes be a little blurry. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:1) That's not what net neutrality is. I didn't recognize what 1/20 meant and sure; but isn't net neutrality roughly speaking the notion that ISP's can't discriminate in their bandwidth, no "superhighways" etc? Isn't it not a difficult leap to make that corporations can eventually have enough influence to make some blogger's stuff less visible or impossible to load unless you pay extra? Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:e: Whoa there's a lot of jews in this thread!! A bunch of overly argumentative socialists getting into screaming matches about minutia happens every day at the JCC, except they're all naked old men
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Jews love socialism my friend
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Covok posted:This is what happens when you hire a complete outside with literally no experience and very little political know-how. If he had any morals (lol), he'd cede the job to Hillary. But lol about that ever happening. Six months from now I totally expect him to say something like "wow this sucks you guys should have voted for Hillary" in a 60 Minutes interview.
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My dad's a Reagan loving evangelical. I didn't become a socialist Jew to spite him, that was just a bonus. (just kidding, love u dad)
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Heres a poo poo joke I remember: At the beginning of winter Jews celebrate Hannukah. An orthodox jew gives his friends a card that reads: "חנוכה שמח" A conservative jew gives a card that reads "Happy Hannukah" A reform jew gives a card that says "Merry Christmas"
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Business Gorillas posted:A bunch of overly argumentative socialists getting into screaming matches about minutia happens every day at the JCC, except they're all naked old men I haven't laughed this hard at a post on SA in a while, thanks for that. it's totally true Nebalebadingdong posted:Jews love socialism my friend P much, Socialism is the political vehicle through which people's lives may most realistically be improved from a Reform standpoint.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:"In the meantime follow me on twitter for the latest updates" Also retweeting every thread she's ever tweeted every day. And the thing is, I really don't know how right or wrong she is. She's right that the news media is, in large part, moving very quickly to be nicer about Trump and treating people like Steve Bannon as normal political operatives. She was correct about the extent to which Russia was at least attempting to meddle in the election--hell, even the NSA director is saying that now. And hell, these side-by-side quotes from Trump and Bannon are pretty alarming: https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/798133651795939329 On the other hand, well, tactics that might have worked in Uzbekistan (where she covered an authoritarian regime first-hand) won't necessarily work in a country as large and diverse as the US, especially when basically everyone seems to distrust the media as it is. I don't think she's wrong that Trump wants to be seen as a strongman leader, like Putin, or that Bannon would love nothing more than to have his hands on the reins of an authoritarian state, but I'm also not sure she's correct that it's all just going to come tumbling down in weeks after Trump's inauguration, or that every single member of government and every single check and balance is just going to fold right away like she suggests. What she does that's really infuriating is when she intimates something terrible is going on, or that people we trust are either in on it or otherwise compromised, but absolutely refuses to elaborate. Just, "ask yourself why," and nothing else. Like this one about Obama: https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/798285377245212672 What are we supposed to make of that? "So you need to start asking why."
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mcmagic posted:I'm a secular Jew. I identify as myself as Jewish culturally but I haven't been to temple in like 10 years and don't practice any of the aspects of the religion other than having dinner with my family on some of the holidays. People who I know who are "reformed" and would identify themselves as that do much more than I do. I don't think we belong in the same category. Oh, OK. Me too, except I do go to temple every once in a while. I probably just had a more liberal temple growing up. Reform is a spectrum, there are reform temples that are more or less conservative, but they all stick to the basic ideas I stated in my last post. The concept of reform includes your practice and identity, as it includes pretty much all of secular Judaism. Though of course you can define yourself however you want.
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Raenir Salazar posted:What's unreasonable here in a US without net neutrality? Net neutrality has nothing to do with a business regulating its own members and content, Twitter is not going to start restricting accounts on the basis of political opposition or journalistic inconvenience to the incoming administration, ISPs are not going to be restricting access to one of the largest social media platforms, and anyone inclined to make angry legal threats on the internet is already doing it. If one of those things is going to change in grand fashion, it will be obvious over a much longer time frame than two months.
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Stereotype posted:Heres a poo poo joke I remember: ooh, fun tangent: The "War on Christmas" has always been mocked even in the fairly conservative area of New York I live in, because there are so many Jewish people around that "Happy Holidays" was the season's greeting of choice way before PC WENT MAD and forced people to stop being merry about Christmas.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:11
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Twitter and facebook are only going "lets clean up this fake news" because Twitter was trying to sell itself for a lot of money and the buyer went "Woah, there, that's a lot of racism, xenophobia, harassment and the lot on your site: no sell." Probably scared FB into action, too. For the first time, not doing poo poo about their awful userbase hosed them hard where it hurts, their wallet.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:13
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Investors only care about Twitter being profitable. Most people are not going to pass up a good business opportunity because of "morals" or whatever those are.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's more than just Gitmo. It's about the surveillance state that Obama is responsible for. It's pretty insane to think he campaigned on ending the PATRIOT act and then the second he was elected decided to actually make it objectively worse. Eh, it's not that insane, it's just that people ignored the warning signs. When he endorsed and voted for the bill to grant telecom companies retroactive immunity for their complicity in Bush's illegal warrantless wiretapping, that should have been a big red flag, but way too many Dems were too busy projecting their deepest desires onto Campaign Obama to notice. Harrow posted:Bernie Sanders is now the "Chair of Outreach" for the Senate Democrats, and also the top Democrat (even though he's technically still serving as an independent Senator) on the Senate Budget Committee. Elizabeth Warren is Vice Chair of Outreach. It stands for "okay, we gave you a token leadership position with no real power or authority, that means all the young people will vote for us now right?". BarbarianElephant posted:Jewish people tend to vote Democrat, so don't start getting weird about that. It depends. While Reform and Conservative Jews traditionally vote Democrat, Orthodox Jews generally vote Republican and mostly went for Trump. As for Israel, the right-wing coalition in charge of the government is a big fan of Trump - they suspect he won't seriously care about what goes on in Palestine, and therefore they can now get away with pretty much anything they want without being pressured by America. The Israeli media - particularly Israel Hayom, which is run by Adelson - largely ignored the anti-Semitism in his campaign, so the Israeli public doesn't really know about it. Even in the US, there's heavy disagreement among the Jewish community, mostly falling along preexisting partisan lines. For example, the Republican Jewish Coalition accused the ADL of being in the tank for Hillary and trying to swing the election with accusations of anti-Semitism, and the Zionist Association of America has accused the ADL of engaging in "inappopriate character assassination" against Bannon. Left-leaning groups are of course full-on anti-Trump. Other than the ADL, most centrist Jewish and pro-Israel groups seem to be hunkering down, staying quiet, and hoping it all blows over without them getting dragged into it; they usually try to remain non-partisan anyway, and a couple of them learned the hard way during the election that Trump is too polarizing to involve themselves with while preserving their neutrality.
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eviltastic posted:Net neutrality has nothing to do with a business regulating its own members and content, Twitter is not going to start restricting accounts on the basis of political opposition or journalistic inconvenience to the incoming administration, ISPs are not going to be restricting access to one of the largest social media platforms, and anyone inclined to make angry legal threats on the internet is already doing it. If one of those things is going to change in grand fashion, it will be obvious over a much longer time frame than two months. Yes, two months is a silly time frame and I didn't notice that aspect or her tweet, but, here me out here, lets think about it, lets assume a Continuum like future is what she's thinking of and if so what IS the stuff we should be concerned about? What if, instead of restricting access to twitter, they make a Conservative Twitter that gets the easy bandwidth access and then make normal twitter slower to access or you have to pay money to access? Or maybe, have it so that when you log onto the internet it logs your IP and only lets you access websites that are registered with certain ISP's within a radius of you? 
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greatn posted:And I call THIS level SSJ3 (super secular Jew 3) Bernie???? Is that you????
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