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Technically the fires probably wouldn't sink Akagi, they'd just leave her a floating hulk.  Ron Jeremy posted:This actually happened, though not to carriers and due to storm and not enemy action. Close enough. Yeah, Halsey's Typhoon. Really shouldn't have happened in the first place. And they actually did almost lose a CVL in that incident, when some of its planes were knocked loose into bulkheads and started fires.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Now that I notice, Akagi has barely any flotation damage. Will it still sink from the massive fire? Massive systems damage sinks ships in this game. At that level, the Akagi will probably sink because she's a bombed out hulk. If we're lucky, it's a two for one in terms of carriers. I'm not entirely sure how that works out for Grey though, considering that two new carriers entered the theater in since the death of the USS Hornet. While the loss of the Akagi is a pretty serious kick in the balls for the Japanese, they get a series of...um...well, what can be loosely defined as 'carriers', that are slow and have craptastic plane storage. Of course, Grey hasn't showed us what his shipyards are baking right now. What's the next carrier you have coming out? The Taihō?
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Historically the only other fleet carriers Japan would finish are Taiho and 3 Unryu-class carriers (Unryu, Amagi & Katsuragi), with all four not commissioned until mid-to-late 1944. Hell, the Unryus haven't even been laid down yet. There were more Unryus under construction, as well as a follow-on class planned, so depending on how much Grey can (and has) modified shipyard construction priorities he could probably get a few more late next year. Note that even the first Essex has not actually been commissioned yet (not until next month), with the next not commissioned until February next year, so if Grey actually can remove all US fleet carriers currently in theater, even with the loss of Akagi, he's in a reasonably good position for the time being. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Lord Koth posted:Historically the only other fleet carriers Japan would finish are Taiho and 3 Unryu-class carriers (Unryu, Amagi & Katsuragi), with all four not commissioned until mid-to-late 1944. Hell, the Unryus haven't even been laid down yet. There were more Unryus under construction, as well as a follow-on class planned, so depending on how much Grey can (and has) modified shipyard construction priorities he could probably get a few more late next year. Isn't Hornet still in the theater? I know the Wasp was taken out in August.
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Lord Koth posted:Historically the only other fleet carriers Japan would finish are Taiho and 3 Unryu-class carriers (Unryu, Amagi & Katsuragi), with all four not commissioned until mid-to-late 1944. Hell, the Unryus haven't even been laid down yet. There were more Unryus under construction, as well as a follow-on class planned, so depending on how much Grey can (and has) modified shipyard construction priorities he could probably get a few more late next year. So yeah, the loss of the Akagi is a *huge* kick in the balls. Kind of odd to think of it this way, but Japan's biggest problem in 1944 was not lack of carriers(at least, actual functional carriers instead of freighters with a flight deck stapled to the top), it was lack of airframes and experienced pilots. The Katsuragi, for example, was a fairly modernish carrier when she was finished, but because of the lack of planes she basically end up as a really expensive troop transport.
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A White Guy posted:So yeah, the loss of the Akagi is a *huge* kick in the balls. True, but those losses didn't come from a single dramatic battle like Midway. The decline of the Japanese air forces came largely from the grinding wars of island attrition against the USA, notably in the Solomon Islands and Marianas campaigns.
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   Bloody enemy bombers.   No CAP, the last undamaged enemy carrier must have abandoned her sisters to their fate. We finish off the Saratoga and cripple the Yorktown.  The rest of their carriers have headed south. They do manage to hit one of the few ships in the area with loaded troops.  This is a lot more annoying – these are the flak units for Luganville!  I take another small island, this is mainly so I can look into setting up a recon/raiding airfield.   We hit these guys hard. I'll going to keep the attacks up here.  I also have the troops in Nanning I need to finally take the city.   A mixed day – while this hits on the enemy carriers we nice, we also took some hits ourselves.  As expected, we lose the Akagi and the Shoho, and pick up the Saratoga in return – but I will be very surprised if the Yorktown makes it back to a safe port with all the damage she has taken. Now I just have to hunt down the Enterprise.
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Generation Internet posted:The Enterprise lives! Grey suppressing news of its sinking in fear for his life.
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So, when a ship like Akagi goes down, what happens to its pilots and personnel? Do they have a chance to survive?
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Night10194 posted:So, when a ship like Akagi goes down, what happens to its pilots and personnel? Do they have a chance to survive? If the planes can relocate to a nearby airport, they do and are saved. If they can't they are lost. Grey's air groups did relocate to an island, iirc, so he can pick them up and reform (except he doesn't have a flattop to put them on, probably)
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Yes, now hunt and kill Big E!
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So all up...a draw? No the decisive battle the IJN would want. Which Admiral was in charge of this?
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Comstar posted:So all up...a draw? No the decisive battle the IJN would want. Heck, until we get confirmation of a second dead Allied carrier, this might have been a win for them (1 carrier confirmed down on their side, 1 CV and 1 CVL on ours).
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Davin Valkri posted:Heck, until we get confirmation of a second dead Allied carrier, this might have been a win for them (1 carrier confirmed down on their side, 1 CV and 1 CVL on ours). Considering the fact that there were so many operational losses on the 15th, it would be hard to believe that the US didn't lose a 2nd carrier. Contrast that with today's 3. The Saratoga is sunk. The Yorktown was alive today. The Enterprise hasn't been seen since yesterday, but took a torpedo. The Lexington was untouched. My guess is Don't look at the spoiler if you don't want gamey stuff. The point difference between the 14th and 15th is 226. (39 worth of oilers. 187 unclaimed. The point difference between the 15th and the 16th is 411. Saratoga's point value? 396 Point value doesn't match for 2nd carrier loss. But planes aren't that valuable, are they? Don't look at the spoiler if you don't want gamey stuff. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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allies seem to be consistently trashing the japanese air forces in every engagement
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Tiler Kiwi posted:allies seem to be consistently trashing the japanese air forces in every engagement They have better planes, and to make things worse, Grey is painfully behind on upgrades.,
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
welp Any chance the allies name another ship later the Saratoga II?
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They have better planes, and to make things worse, Grey.
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Shouldn't a ship generally at least be listing as having "fire" and "damage" for it to be in danger though? Yorktown had heavy fires a day ago, makes more sense to me these two were left behind, and maybe Yorktown sunk later in the day, while Enterprise and Wasp escaped.
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RA Rx posted:Shouldn't a ship generally at least be listing as having "fire" and "damage" for it to be in danger though? code:
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Davin Valkri posted:Heck, until we get confirmation of a second dead Allied carrier, this might have been a win for them (1 carrier confirmed down on their side, 1 CV and 1 CVL on ours). More importantly, how many battleships did we lose? The whole Kantai Kessen thing means that our carriers are mostly for weakening the enemy forces and our glorious hanzo steel battleships will sweep the seas clean of the enemy fleet.
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sullat posted:More importantly, how many battleships did we lose? The whole Kantai Kessen thing means that our carriers are mostly for weakening the enemy forces and our glorious hanzo steel battleships will sweep the seas clean of the enemy fleet. 0 code:
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One Japanese Carrier, one LIght Carrier, one Light Cruiser, two oilers for two American carriers. Plus the transports they hit on the way out. Goin gto be pursuing them Grey or sending the ships back to port? Or splitting up the damaged ones to send them to the dockyards while the others pursue? Does this count generally as a Draw for us?
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wedgekree posted:One Japanese Carrier, one LIght Carrier, one Light Cruiser, two oilers for two American carriers. Plus the transports they hit on the way out. Goin gto be pursuing them Grey or sending the ships back to port? Or splitting up the damaged ones to send them to the dockyards while the others pursue? Does this count generally as a Draw for us? The Americans lost two oilers, not the Japanese.
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Cool! misread that earlier, thanks! So is this fight tactically a draw on losses mostly?
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wedgekree posted:Cool! misread that earlier, thanks! So is this fight tactically a draw on losses mostly? If the American carriers aren't caught by the Butai/Betties then I would think so. Based on the screenshots the surviving American carriers are in the middle of the Solomons which is right in Betty range from Rabaul.
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So the Americans (I think) probably have two functioning carriers that can perform flight ops with however many CAP losses they've taken. Depending on whether they escort the Yorktown back or not or flee, and if they have enough fighters/AA left to hold off the raids - also assuming that they can be pinpointed enough for some large air raids against them and they do some damage. Will the entire Kido Butai likely withdraw or try to chase after the Americans if that's a possibility or not? Or have the Americans broken off the engagement enough by now it'd be a waste of fuel to pace them?
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Dreamsicle posted:If the American carriers aren't caught by the Butai/Betties then I would think so. Based on the screenshots the surviving American carriers are in the middle of the Solomons which is right in Betty range from Rabaul. Unless the Supreme Commander Imperial Armed Forces did not find the time to fill out the torpedo resupply forms.
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In regards to the torpedos as someone who's never played War in the Pacific, are they just generally terrible due to RNG, or does Grey have the worst luck ever? Or both, for that matter.
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Lord Koth posted:Historically the only other fleet carriers Japan would finish are Taiho and 3 Unryu-class carriers (Unryu, Amagi & Katsuragi), with all four not commissioned until mid-to-late 1944. Hell, the Unryus haven't even been laid down yet. There were more Unryus under construction, as well as a follow-on class planned, so depending on how much Grey can (and has) modified shipyard construction priorities he could probably get a few more late next year.  Unless plans have changed, Grey is still on track for late '44.
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So, we're looking a 1.5 (.5 for the CVL) for 2 (assuming the Yorktown does actually sink). Considering the Ryuho comes out later this month (provided Grey hasn't cancelled her),the loss of the Shoho isn't that serious, and the fact that most of the pilots from the Akagi and Shoho lived through the fighting is good. A narrow victory, but considering the Allied war machine really kicks into gear in 1943, how Grey manages his planes/pilots will make a serious difference in the months to come.
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Das Panzer posted:In regards to the torpedos as someone who's never played War in the Pacific, are they just generally terrible due to RNG, or does Grey have the worst luck ever? Or both, for that matter. Torpedoes require: the base/ship to have torpedoes The enemy to be in torpedo range An Air HQ (for land-based air) They're generally terrible due to UI designers not being on the same Venn Diagrams as the sort of Grognards who make a game like WITP
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Torpedo wise, you can only order 20 at a time, so every time you see 40 Betties attack something, that means I have to manually got the air HQ. click "order torpedoes" type in "20" then OK. Then do that again. Its maddening.
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Grey Hunter posted:Its maddening. grog_games.txt
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RearmingStrafbomber posted:
To be fair, that IS what I said - It's dependent on if and/or how much Grey has changed the priorities. Like I really hope he's cancelled Shinano by now.
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Lord Koth posted:To be fair, that IS what I said - It's dependent on if and/or how much Grey has changed the priorities. Like I really hope he's cancelled Shinano by now. Heresy. Shinano should be kept as the third Yamato-class battleship, not cancelled.
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