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The Puppet Master posted:There are some contemporary leftist philosopher I really admire who are thinking how to redefine the culture around work. That future society absolutely needs to have a different approach towards labor, hours of work, work ethic, and productivity in order to adapt to the coming automation revolution. This kind of thinking or rethink is actually the basis of my work at the moment. Could you name these guys? I agree with this sentiment and if they can express it better than I can I would love to learn from their writings.
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Karl Barks posted:i still think about all those weird rear end emails from the DNC that were just people telling each other to gently caress off, and get hosed, etc. legit all those people are human garbage just on a personal level gently caress off/get hosed
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Instant Sunrise posted:just to be clear, you mean "right to work" as in laws banning union shops, not "right to work" as in "actually at-will employment but gets confused with right to work." because either way i agree
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Instant Sunrise posted:just to be clear, you mean "right to work" as in laws banning union shops, not "right to work" as in "actually at-will employment but gets confused with right to work." the banning union shops one e: actually, phase it that unions should have the same legal protections and ease of creation that corporations have
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Karl Barks posted:i still think about all those weird rear end emails from the DNC that were just people telling each other to gently caress off, and get hosed, etc. legit all those people are human garbage just on a personal level Except Pablo https://twitter.com/gitpab/status/792528590747435008 loving Pablo.
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MJ12 posted:Could you name these guys? I agree with this sentiment and if they can express it better than I can I would love to learn from their writings. Nick Srnicek and Alex Williams Their book I refer to a lot at the moment. And their Manifesto. Start with that here: http://criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventing_the_Future:_Postcapitalism_and_a_World_Without_Work quote:24. The future needs to be constructed. It has been demolished by neoliberal capitalism and reduced to a cut-price promise of greater inequality, conflict, and chaos. This collapse in the idea of the future is symptomatic of the regressive historical status of our age, rather than, as cynics across the political spectrum would have us believe, a sign of sceptical maturity. What accelerationism pushes towards is a future that is more modern — an alternative modernity that neoliberalism is inherently unable to generate. The future must be cracked open once again, unfastening our horizons towards the universal possibilities of the Outside.
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Lastgirl posted:
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Gringostar posted:the banning union shops one 
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Amniotic posted:It helps even in their own disciplines. Lack of practice in flexible thinking and multiple viewpoints/theoretical frameworks is what makes the bulk of STEM majors crank turning formula pluggers who freeze at first contact with a problem that doesn't obviously fit an algorithm. Where are these lovely engineers coming from? The internet?
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ThndrShk2k posted:Could it be? Yes, It's Bruce Rappaport
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Powercrazy posted:Where are these lovely engineers coming from? The internet? college the number of lovely engineers i've had to teach their own jobs to is frightening
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ThndrShk2k posted:
No obviously it's Rappaport. Don't make me go Capehart on your rear end
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Clinton Post-Mortem Update: https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/798996560478687239 https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/798996707812003840
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DaveWoo posted:Clinton Post-Mortem Update: But she's helping so much with downticket races guys!
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The Map of Truck Drivers is off because of how the aggregation of different occupations were done so it's right in one way, but wrong in another http://www.marketwatch.com/story/no-truck-driver-isnt-the-most-common-job-in-your-state-2015-02-12
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LegionAreI posted:To harp on education a little more, if we didn't sanitize history in middle and high schools and actually taught people true history (with all the warts and bullshit it involves) we may help people as a whole avoid making the same goddamn mistakes. One of my foundational experiences was finding out how much FDR, who was and continues to be my hero, is seriously sanitized by high school history in my area. He did a whole lot of shady poo poo to save the country and it's never talked about that hard choices have to be made that people get pissed off about. Wait, as someone who's learned a little on FDR in high school history, what did he do that's so shady? I only learnt the reality behind the New Deal from this thread, for example.
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Gringostar posted:the banning union shops one inshallah
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DaveWoo posted:Clinton Post-Mortem Update: Alright everyone, ready? Say it with me, all together now: MOOOOOOO--
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Wait, as someone who's learned a little on FDR in high school history, what did he do that's so shady? I only learnt the reality behind the New Deal from this thread, for example. concentration camps for starters
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Thoguh posted:Except Pablo https://twitter.com/gitpab/status/798388982598037504 haha loving Pablo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/08/11/what-to-expect-when-a-wikileaks-dump-turns-you-into-an-internet-folk-hero/
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Wait, as someone who's learned a little on FDR in high school history, what did he do that's so shady? I only learnt the reality behind the New Deal from this thread, for example. trying to stack the SCOTUS loving over minorities to appease the southerns in his own party letting henry wallace get pushed out by the monied interests in favor of truman crazy cloud posted:concentration camps for starters although, while concentration camps were very bad they did directly lead to the Warren court which was very good Gringostar has issued a correction as of 22:30 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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while ww2 was Very Bad, the funneling of funding into nazi missile tech led later to accelerated progress toward american manned spaceflight, so
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Xelkelvos posted:The Map of Truck Drivers is off because of how the aggregation of different occupations were done so it's right in one way, but wrong in another Ah thanks!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So what is Bernie going to tell us in his speech tonight? How we all collectively failed him and don't deserve his pity? This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "OK."
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How can someone who is clearly intelligent run not one but two presidential campaigns that fail due to gross incompetence? That's the sadly tragic thing about Hillary, both her 08 campaign and this one probably would have made it despite the drag at the top of the ticket if they weren't run by complete idiots.
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MaxxBot posted:How can someone who is clearly intelligent run not one but two presidential campaigns that fail due to gross incompetence? That's the sadly tragic thing about Hillary, both her 08 campaign and this one probably would have made it despite the drag at the top of the ticket if they weren't run by complete idiots. loyalty above competence it's legit her achilles heel
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Battle Royale Baby posted:No obviously it's Rappaport. Don't make me go Capehart on your rear end Didn't I just show a modern day picture of known time traveler Bruce Rappaport? Lord of Pie posted:Yes, It's Bruce Rappaport 
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Xelkelvos posted:The Map of Truck Drivers is off because of how the aggregation of different occupations were done so it's right in one way, but wrong in another The self driving truck is also nowhere near mass production either but it'll happen eventually. Though automating the last mile will likely take a lot longer than automating highway driving.
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Iron Twinkie posted:This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll
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Thoguh posted:The self driving truck is also nowhere near mass production either but it'll happen eventually. Though automating the last mile will likely take a lot longer than automating highway driving. Even if the last mile takes 50 years to automate, I can definitely see wages dropping anyway, owners aren't going to want to pay people comparable wages to babysit the autopilot.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Wait, as someone who's learned a little on FDR in high school history, what did he do that's so shady? I only learnt the reality behind the New Deal from this thread, for example. People have hit on a lot of it but the Wallace stuff is what stuck out a lot to me. He made a lot of devil's bargains that ultimately set the stage for the New Deal too. A fun fact about the Wallace thing - Wallace was not perfect but he had some really progressive ideas. He also got into a lot of fights with other high-level folks and was pretty brash, so pissed a lot of people off. He was favored by a lot going into the '44 Democratic convention. I think Truman had like 3% support and he had like 70% or something? Somewhere around there. So he's about to win renomination as VP when the convention hall was closed due to a "fire hazard" and they had to reconvene the next day. The next day, Truman went from not having poo poo to having the majority for nomination for VP. If he had won, he would have eventually become President because FDR died 80 some days later. Conventions back then were filled with dirty politics constantly. The party had flat out said they were going to fight the renomination. They proposed Truman and FDR had to take it to keep the party together because he was sick and knew he was going to die. If he stuck with Wallace the party would have splintered. Mined Wikipedia for this one but Wallace was an interesting guy: "The concept of freedom," Wallace explained, was rooted in the Bible, with its "extraordinary emphasis on the dignity of the individual,” but only recently had it become a reality for large numbers of people. “Democracy is the only true political expression of Christianity,” he declared, adding that with freedom must come abundance. “Men and women can never be really free until they have plenty to eat, and time and ability to read and think and talk things over.”
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The Puppet Master posted:Nick Srnicek and Alex Williams Frithjof Bergmann writes about this sort of thing as well I think.
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DaveWoo posted:Clinton Post-Mortem Update: i'm loving speechless
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The best organized and professionally run political campaign in history, with a literally unlimited amount of funding, ladies n gentlegoons
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So, what is wrong with Bill, why does he look like he is about to die. I was honestly expecting there to be an announcement of a Bill cancer immediately post-election,
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I am so glad that the mature realpolitikers in the party had their way and prevented Armageddon as they, and only they, had the ability and experience tosteinrokkan posted:So, what is wrong with Bill, why does he look like he is about to die. I was honestly expecting there to be an announcement of a Bill cancer immediately post-election, He has to listen to Hillary more than is healthy 4 the human body
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steinrokkan posted:So, what is wrong with Bill, why does he look like he is about to die. I was honestly expecting there to be an announcement of a Bill cancer immediately post-election, he realized he's married to the worst political campaigner in american history
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