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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I assume discussion of the black experience in education will not be welcome outside of the two (2) permitted negrozones.
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there wolf posted:Yeah, but that's art. Art History is one of those subjects that is dull as dishwater to anyone without a knack for rote memorization because you need to know so many names and dates, and with even less of the story aspect you get with regular history. I'm not American but that's the opposite of my experiences with Art History. I haven't studied it but I dated an art historian and sat in a bunch of lectures. That poo poo was fascinating and super fun 
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Nov 16, 2016 23:22
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If I'm misinterpreting and it's not a problem, awesome. No further action needed.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:22
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No I do think it was getting to be a derail, but lol if PWB is advisable in new white-power-flavor D&D. It was bad enough before.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:35
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Sorry about your lovely teachers? "Art History" is a go-to STEM punching bag like underwater basketweaving. It's only as boring as you make it. Our art history prof. was actually pretty great, but that didn't make the demands of the subject any less name-and-date focused. Maybe it gets better when you get out of the intro-level stuff, but I never got that far so I can't say. Edit: Also definitely not STEM kid, and every liberal arts class is a punching bag for a certain kind of STEM students because they're all pouty that their schools made them "waste time" on something not directly related to their degree. there wolf fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 23:36
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there wolf posted:Our art history prof. was actually pretty great, but that didn't make the demands of the subject any less name-and-date focused. Maybe it gets better when you get out of the intro-level stuff, but I never got that far so I can't say. How would you feel about someone who only took an intro-level science class and decided that science was boring and worthless.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:37
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It's like how history isn't great at the start but once you've got some idea of the basics for context you can draw connections to it and the trends and processes start getting brought up and making it a lot more interesting, isn't it?
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there wolf posted:Our art history prof. was actually pretty great, but that didn't make the demands of the subject any less name-and-date focused. Maybe it gets better when you get out of the intro-level stuff, but I never got that far so I can't say. In all forms of history, art- or otherwise, the capacity to memorize dates is pretty irrelevant. The important thing is that you can comprehend trends, themes, methodology, etc. In fact, you'll barely need dates a lot of the time because if you understand what's happening on a deep level you won't place things outside of their period or out of sequence, and those things flow out of your natural understanding of what took place.
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Yeah because art movements, much like elections, are reactions to the status quo. One of the most important thing an art student first learns is that the hoary old standbys like Impressionism were once scandalous and shocking and infuriated the establishment. Once you understand what's a reaction to what and why, dates are irrelevant.
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Nov 17, 2016 00:10
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:How would you feel about someone who only took an intro-level science class and decided that science was boring and worthless. Well I'd probably think they don't have a big interest in science, and then I'd start to wonder if, considering that science is a very broad subject with lots of entry points, the person might have some kind of learning style or disability that made the class harder then it normally would be. You seem to think I am against art history as a subject as a matter of principle. So just to clear the air and get us both on the same page, I'm against pretending like it's just a matter of passion whether you're into a subject or not. Art history happens to be a personal example for me because I did a history major with a fine arts minor; I should have loved art history. But as a dyslexic, the heavy emphasis on names and numbers was an obstacle to my engagement with the class and the subject. That's probably me reading more into negromancers' brief scenario than was actually there, but it is what it is.
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Nov 17, 2016 00:23
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there wolf posted:Well I'd probably think they don't have a big interest in science, and then I'd start to wonder if, considering that science is a very broad subject with lots of entry points, the person might have some kind of learning style or disability that made the class harder then it normally would be. A bad teaching style can ruin any subject. Art History doesn't have to be any more about names and numbers than the rest of history.
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Dexo posted:
The implicit is becoming more and more explicit.
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Dexo posted:
nice reminder that the limited progress being made in reducing microconcussion injuries will be yet another casualty of the trump administration
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:No I do think it was getting to be a derail, but lol if PWB is advisable in new white-power-flavor D&D. It was bad enough before. I feel dumb, but I don't get what PWB is. Oh! Posting while black. Yeah definitely dumb. I would be interested in starting a thread on education. It might take me a while. But if I do, I'm gonna try to make it as cool as this and the misogynoir thread, which means racists are gonna have to gently caress off 
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In other news, New Balance seems to be scrambling to try to cover up repair their image after a white supremacist group claimed them to be the shoes of white people.
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Hawkgirl posted:I feel dumb, but I don't get what PWB is. Oh! Posting while black. Yeah definitely dumb. Yeah do it! blackguy32 posted:In other news, New Balance seems to be scrambling to try to cover up repair their image after a white supremacist group claimed them to be the shoes of white people. 100 million white dads can't be wrong
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blackguy32 posted:In other news, New Balance seems to be scrambling to try to cover up repair their image after a white supremacist group claimed them to be the shoes of white people. Ahaha what. On what basis? Are they just going around and anointing things the Official X Of White People? The official cereal rice krispies? The official soda Diet Coke? The official outerwear brand L L Bean?
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Nov 17, 2016 01:03
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blackguy32 posted:In other news, New Balance seems to be scrambling to try to cover up repair their image after a white supremacist group claimed them to be the shoes of white people. Was that before or after they released a statement supporting Donald Trump and then tried to walk that back with uncommon urgency?
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PT6A posted:Was that before or after they released a statement supporting Donald Trump and then tried to walk that back with uncommon urgency? I looked it up because, like all white people, I wear New Balances. They do a dress shoe with a sneaker sole that I really like for walking to work.
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Nov 17, 2016 01:09
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FactsAreUseless posted:The company didn't release a statement, their VP of public affairs - whose single job as VP of public affairs is to avoid doing poo poo like this - publicly supported Trump. Not often you hope a company will take a lesson from the dignified example set by Skittles.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Not often you hope a company will take a lesson from the dignified example set by Skittles.
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Nov 17, 2016 01:11
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Im not letting these fuckers ruin my white dad shoes
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Control Volume posted:Im not letting these fuckers ruin my white dad shoes
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Control Volume posted:Im not letting these fuckers ruin my white dad shoes I don't know, man. Being able to easily spot and thus avoid scum by the Browning logos on their cars has been pretty useful.
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Nov 17, 2016 01:42
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Funny, cause my immediate association with New Balance is "I sport New Balance sneakers to avoid a narrow path." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhcmzBgJVgg
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New Balance has put out some dope shoes in the past few years to supplement their dadwear, they're based in my city, and they strive to make a lot of their shoes in the USA (and then overcharge like a motherfucker for them - this is partly why they voiced support for Trump as it relates to TPP), so it's a real shame I have to set my feet ablaze now
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Nov 17, 2016 02:30
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What group is supposed to wear Nunn Bush shoes, because those are fairly comfortable
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Nov 17, 2016 02:53
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biracial bear for uncut posted:What group is supposed to wear Nunn Bush shoes, because those are fairly comfortable Google tells me these are square-toed IT guy shoes. Good news: You have chosen the appropriate footwear for your goon status. Bad news: You are no longer cool enough to post in blackthread.
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Nov 17, 2016 02:56
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:How would you feel about someone who only took an intro-level science class and decided that science was boring and worthless. Intro level science is boring and worthless.  Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah because art movements, much like elections, are reactions to the status quo. One of the most important thing an art student first learns is that the hoary old standbys like Impressionism were once scandalous and shocking and infuriated the establishment. Once you understand what's a reaction to what and why, dates are irrelevant. This sounds like the part at the end of Ant-Man. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:A bad teaching style can ruin any subject. Art History doesn't have to be any more about names and numbers than the rest of history. There are no bad subjects, just bad instructors, as I always say. blackguy32 posted:In other news, New Balance seems to be scrambling to try to cover up repair their image after a white supremacist group claimed them to be the shoes of white people. 
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Nov 17, 2016 04:30
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Dexo posted:
"Our business works best if people are complete morons!" Wonderful.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:09
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Slowly but surely we can fix the internet. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/Rebranded White Nationalism-denormalizer/glfmlcifdhfpibfmokbcojfkbgfigeph/related?authuser=1
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A friend of mine made a chrome extension you can configure to do whatever text replacement you like. That is a pretty good suggestion for "alt-right," though I think I'll drop or replace the "rebranded" part.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Google tells me these are square-toed IT guy shoes. Good news: You have chosen the appropriate footwear for your goon status. Bad news: You are no longer cool enough to post in blackthread. The ones I wear are round-toed.  I will admit they are probably nerdy as hell though.
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Nov 17, 2016 10:50
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biracial bear for uncut posted:The ones I wear are round-toed. Hey, those are the kind of shoes both my grandpas really like! Wait that's not helping is it...
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Jesus, my shoes are New Balance for normal use and Nunn-Bush for work. And I'm a father. I even listen to Bruce Springsteen! I've become the living definition of "White dad."  I need to do something before I start liking Macklemore and yardwork.
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Talmonis posted:Jesus, my shoes are New Balance for normal use and Nunn-Bush for work. And I'm a father. I even listen to Bruce Springsteen! I've become the living definition of "White dad." God damnit, I checked and my not-work tennis shoes are New Balance and the Nunn-Bush shoes for work as well. No kids and I'm not crazy about either of the artists you listed, but I enjoy yardwork.  I need to get better shoes.
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I wear Nike and Something From Kohl's
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Doctor Butts posted:Something From Kohl's 99% chance those are Nunn Bush shoes.
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I wear whatever brand is making size 15 women's shoes when my old pairs wear out. It's troubling that New Balance's marketing guy is a Trumper, but OTOH it seems like one of the best things you can do to try to fix our society is to buy poo poo that is made in the USA. The more jobs there are here, the less ground conservatives have to stand on when claiming that liberals and minorities are destroying the economy. It's an interesting question though: how does one try to function ethically in the American marketplace (I know, no ethical consumption under capitalism)? If we boycotted every company that had racists or sexists in management, we'd just have to grow all our own food and make all our own clothes and walk everywhere. How does one punish companies with racist leadership without just totally exiting modern society?
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