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So the moral is that racism and sexism did, indeed, play a role in the American election. Gosh. I wonder if we're going to continue to see the loving stupid apologetic posts here about how we need to bend over backwards to court a dying demographic just because.
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Powershift posted:It's not going to be the prairies putting the con's back into power. It's going to be toronto suburbs voting against taxes, throwing muslims under the bus for an extra $430 a year, and quebec voters throwing muslims under the bus to see muslims being crushed by a bus. The tories had trouble getting more than single digit votes in Quebec even after Harper passed his Quebec nationhood bill. Not even Bernier is that likely to carry the province. But yeah it won't be the part of the country that's already flat blue. Agnosticnixie fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Well it can be simultaneously true that Hillary would have won if it wasn't for sexism, if it wasn't for white people's awakening racial consciousness, if it wasn't for Comey, and if she had had an economic offer for post-industrial whites (instead of the "let's defeat bigotry" message she largely served up).
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/wherry-ndp-electoral-reform-referendum-1.3853832 What is this? A referendum, ffs.
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Agnosticnixie posted:The tories had trouble getting more than single digit in Quebec even after Harper passed this Quebec nationhood bill. Not even Bernier is going to carry the province. The CPC actually was competitive with the Bloc for most of the 2008 election! On October 1st, 13 days before the election, CROP was showing Bloc 31 CPC 30 in Québec, after the Conservatives had led for most of the campaign - Léger had them leading 34-32 in mid-September. They stumbled when the platform came out and they had large cuts to cultural spending that really didn't play well in Québec, but the nation thing really did put them in the hunt in Québec.
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Pinterest Mom posted:The CPC actually was competitive with the Bloc for most of the 2008 election! On October 1st, 13 days before the election, CROP was showing Bloc 31 CPC 30 in Québec, after the Conservatives had led for most of the campaign - Léger had them leading 34-32 in mid-September. Oh wow, I didn't realize it got that high in 08, I ironically spent the whole time not looking at polls because it was depressing as a NDP volunteer on their first election.
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Tsyni posted:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/wherry-ndp-electoral-reform-referendum-1.3853832 "We disagree with the government's approach to X, even if we agree with X and if we were in their position we would probably take the same approach they are currently taking." - every opposition party ever when they would otherwise be in agreement
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ohquote:Calgary-Nose Hill MP Michelle Rempel delivered a powerful speech in the House of Commons Tuesday, urging Albertans to participate in the Conservatives' Alberta jobs task force.
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Pinterest Mom posted:oh CanPol Megathread: Alberta, just a fart in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge or talk about
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oh good there's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDNw_vbm_7U i'm proud of my mp 
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The NDP is literally hopeless at this point. There is no way the seniors at the top of the party can be convinced they are dooming the party to irrelevancy and none of the young people can get involved in any way to change it. Also Rempel is the a god drat baby. e: Oh god I read the comments WHY DID I READ THE COMMENTS
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what if we elected someone from outside caucus with their own staff and who isn't indebted to the layton-era establishment as leader tho
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Pinterest Mom posted:what if we elected someone from outside caucus with their own staff and who isn't indebted to the layton-era establishment as leader tho They have all been run from the party or have no intention of running due the potential infighting it would cause. Seriously, the federal NDP party may as well be dead. I dont see them doing anything but losing seats.
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Really? I thought he was going to run for the leader of the ONDP if/when Horwath steps down since he lost his attempted run for the federal NDP.
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Tsyni posted:CanPol Megathread: Alberta, just a fart in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge or talk about Mods please.
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Furnaceface posted:Really? I thought he was going to run for the leader of the ONDP if/when Horwath steps down since he lost his attempted run for the federal NDP. He's travelling all over the country (to provincial NDP conventions and progressive conferences and the like), and he's making calls.
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Tsyni posted:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/wherry-ndp-electoral-reform-referendum-1.3853832  Yesssssssss... a... referendum...
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Pinterest Mom posted:to that point Studies involving priming are notorious for failing replication (see e.g. Andrew Gelman's discussion here). This is basically the same as stereotype threat.
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Arcsquad12 posted:
When did Voldemort get elected to parliament? Pinterest Mom posted:He's travelling all over the country (to provincial NDP conventions and progressive conferences and the like), and he's making calls. The US election finished breaking me I think. I stopped caring about the NDP the moment Mulcair refused to step down after pissing away the election. Ontario is going to vote in Patrick Brown, known sex offender and man who has in the past campaigned on sending gay people back to electroshock therapy and jailing women that get abortions. 
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Not a referendum. Please please please don't let the people who want to keep my vote from counting vote to keep my vote from counting. Just do proportional whatever. I don't care what kind of proportional. I just want some representation in government for once and to never have to deal with this 38%=majority poo poo ever again.
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Jimbozig posted:Not a referendum. Please please please don't let the people who want to keep my vote from counting vote to keep my vote from counting. Just do proportional whatever. I don't care what kind of proportional. I just want some representation in government for once and to never have to deal with this 38%=majority poo poo ever again. Yeah. We can always change it again if it's not better.
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Jimbozig posted:Not a referendum. Please please please don't let the people who want to keep my vote from counting vote to keep my vote from counting. Just do proportional whatever. I don't care what kind of proportional. I just want some representation in government for once and to never have to deal with this 38%=majority poo poo ever again. You just know they are going to put like 10 options on there if they do it and say that one has to reach a certain threshold in order for it to change. Then follow that up with a bunch of misleading information or rhetoric about all the choices to confuse people and ensure that nothing changes. Because its 2016.
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Ontario conservatives really like picking poo poo leaders don't they? Granted Wynne is hot garbage but at least she wasn't that nutjob Tim hudak. Just sucks that it means Brown will be in next due to all the crap the liberals pulled and the nonexistent ndp.
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What's the exact story about Patrick Brown anyway? I keep hearing all these suggestions of rumours, but never the rumours themselves. What did he do?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well it can be simultaneously true that Hillary would have won if it wasn't for sexism, if it wasn't for white people's awakening racial consciousness, if it wasn't for Comey, and if she had had an economic offer for post-industrial whites (instead of the "let's defeat bigotry" message she largely served up). To be fair there were details in her platform for reviving Appalachia with coal mining subsidies or something, but it was never part of her central campaign message. Also it would have helped if her campaign understood that it had to challenge battleground states.  
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Else where in the article it says they had 180 staff for Wisconsin. That seems crazy low. Are there also congressional staffers in there as well? Canadian elections have more staff than that per population.
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Apparently the by-election is today, which we'd have known if we'd been registered to vote but for whatever reason they didn't see fit to do that. Not that it matters because I'd have voted for myself anyway, but still.
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Arcsquad12 posted:
Ah the referendum, nothing finer in an age of untruth.
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Morroque posted:What's the exact story about Patrick Brown anyway? I keep hearing all these suggestions of rumours, but never the rumours themselves. What did he do? Just a rumour that he bought drinks for underage girls at a bar. Furnaceface makes it worse everytime Brown is mentioned, I think it's a gimmick.
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Personally I don't think brown is nearly as bad as their last candidate who was legit crazy, I just think it sucks that he's pretty much guaranteed to win the next provincial election due to a lack of competition and the gigantic hole the back to back liberal terms in office have left behind them.
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And the poor kindergarten children being trained how to sex like a gay, let's not forget that very realistic and credible talking point.
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You have to wonder if it's part of a broader Trumpian strategy to tie liberals to the globalist elites so the CPC can somehow recast themselves as being for the economically anxious folks.
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rawrr posted:Trumpian strategy Please, I don't think we need to embue him as the guy with the Plan to destroy liberalism. Liberalism deserves most of the credit.
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Dreylad posted:To be fair there were details in her platform for reviving Appalachia with coal mining subsidies or something, but it was never part of her central campaign message. Idk, it seems trivially true that you have to chalk up the loss to something other than "allocation of campaign resources". If she wins Michigan and Wisconsin, she still loses the election because of Pennsylvania, and they poured everything they had, materially, into PA.
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If the CPC did it, at least it would be OUR billionaires!
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flakeloaf posted:Apparently the by-election is today, which we'd have known if we'd been registered to vote but for whatever reason they didn't see fit to do that. Not that it matters because I'd have voted for myself anyway, but still. You just need ID and something with your address like a lease or hydro bill to vote..
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Re: Hilary's loss, I think her particular history in US politics had the simultaneous effect of motivating Republican leaning voters to turn out at the polls and depressing turnout among certain parts of the Democratic base. While I despise Clinton I think it would be ridiculous to pretend that her negative perception among large parts of the public has no relationship to sexism. She's awful, but she isn't any more awful than her husband was and Bill doesn't seem to attract the levels of animus that Hilary does, so I think it's fair to conclude that part of the reason Clinton struggled with voters was because she was a woman. rawrr posted:You have to wonder if it's part of a broader Trumpian strategy to tie liberals to the globalist elites so the CPC can somehow recast themselves as being for the economically anxious folks. That plus a healthy dose of Conservative nihilism. Remember that this is the party that called a cap and trade system a "a tax on everything" in 2012 after having included it as a plank in their 2008 platform.
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brucio posted:You just need ID and something with your address like a lease or hydro bill to vote.. Great. Where's the polling place? When's it open? I can find these things out on my own of course, but if they didn't mail out election cards there's no way your average voter's going to be arsed.
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