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KomradeX posted:The senator that said that it didn't matter how many Blue Collar guys the Democrats lost in PA, because they would pick up two Republican women in the Suburbs of Philly is exactly the huge type of loving idiot you think. He's gonna fall all over himself to try and help the Republicans do everything they can to have Wall Street continue to gently caress us in the rear end
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Crazy Ted posted:Never, ever trust the competency of a man of whom people have said "He's never seen a TV camera that he doesn't want to get in front of." Exactly and that's why I'm proud I didn't vote for the fucker. Not that my votes meant gently caress all anyway
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Crazy Ted posted:The alternative poses the opposite problem: Win big in New York and California? Congrats Mister/Madam President! If thats where the majority of the population is located how is that unfair?
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Furnaceface posted:If thats where the majority of the population is located how is that unfair? The basic problem is that people are justifiably concerned people who live outside of cities will get ignored. Considering the amount of "we need to fight for the rural poor!" around here I would surmise we could overcome that, if you also buy into the notion that we can get white liberals to fight for minority rights.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:56
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Lightning Knight posted:Considering the amount of "we need to fight for the rural poor!" around here Slightly more than 'gently caress the rural poor!' at this moment and only because liberals just suffered a catastrophic electoral defeat after saying gently caress the rural poor?
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iospace posted:I see three senators potentially going nuclear on anything batshit Trump does: I would throw in John McCain as a wild card as well.
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Sanderistas are starting up a reverse Tea Party movement as we speak. I hope it goes far enough to replace the majority of the Democratic establishment in the years to come.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:59
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Slightly more than 'gently caress the rural poor!' at this moment and only because liberals just suffered a catastrophic electoral defeat after saying gently caress the rural poor? Technically the rural poor weren't the deciding factor, the decaying lower middle class on the periphery of formerly important industrial cities were. At least that is my understanding. It was also not intended to be read as negative, though I see that I didn't word it well. Edit: my point was more that it's disingenuous to argue that white male progressives will fight for minorities and then claim on the other hand that we wouldn't ever fight for the rights of the rural poor. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Nov 17, 2016 06:01
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Grouchio posted:Sandernistas are starting up a reverse Tea Party movement as we speak. I hope it goes far enough to replace the majority of the Democratic establishment in the years to come. It's spelled Sanderistas. We will take over. Socialism owns.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:05
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Furnaceface posted:If thats where the majority of the population is located how is that unfair?
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Lightning Knight posted:Technically the rural poor weren't the deciding factor, the decaying lower middle class on the periphery of formerly important industrial cities were. At least that is my understanding. The point being the urban liberal attitude towards the rural poor tends to swing between the paternalism of a colonist who knows those backwards tribesmen just can't help themselves and seething hatred, and the perception that the electoral college makes it necessary to accomodate them slightly is almost certainly the only thing that keeps them from straight up trying to kill them off Soviet-style.
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Crazy Ted posted:You know how Hillary Clinton lost by basically ignoring the rural poor? Well with straight Popular Vote you could just skip the pretense and completely ignore the rural poor. There's also the chance that since at Presidential level you could just ignore the rural poor it could have a knock-on effect on legislation, with the chances being that large cities irreversibly become the focal point of everything that goes on the books. what should be done about the rural poor tho because I literally don't know what jobs are gonna come back and sure blah blah green energy but that's not gonna support every single town destroyed by deindustrialization
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Crazy Ted posted:You know how Hillary Clinton lost by basically ignoring the rural poor? Well with straight Popular Vote you could just skip the pretense and completely ignore the rural poor. There's also the chance that since at Presidential level you could just ignore the rural poor it could have a knock-on effect on legislation, with the chances being that large cities irreversibly become the focal point of everything that goes on the books. Yeah I realize now its a lot harder to accomplish with your system than it would be in ours. 
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Everyone should be living in cities anyways. Better for the environment to not have all these bullshit suburbs and cars and poo poo.
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the rural poor that we're concerned about here - those impoverished by deindustrialization - don't really seem to be able to be helped other than by either getting them to move or just giving them money with which to buy things they need to survive which, hey, great, but I don't think you win their votes in the long run and after Trump don't do poo poo for them I don't know if "I feel your pain" is gonna cut it down the road.
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I just realized Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney, is now the US Representative of Wyoming. I remember she caused a poo poo storm awhile back when she tried to primary Mike Enzi for his senate seat.
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Grouchio posted:Sanderistas are starting up a reverse Tea Party movement as we speak. I hope it goes far enough to replace the majority of the Democratic establishment in the years to come. Hey getting pissed off worked for the racist poo poo heads so why not? Just hope we don't go full Dino purge and get idiots like Leftist Christine McDonald or whoever nominated. So really just no Jill Stein folk. Also gently caress off with the urban vs rural poo poo. It's not a zero sum game. It's symbiosis more than anything.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the rural poor that we're concerned about here - those impoverished by deindustrialization - don't really seem to be able to be helped other than by either getting them to move or just giving them money with which to buy things they need to survive  Please see this as the twisted, unsophisticated joke that it is.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The point being the urban liberal attitude towards the rural poor tends to swing between the paternalism of a colonist who knows those backwards tribesmen just can't help themselves and seething hatred, and the perception that the electoral college makes it necessary to accomodate them slightly is almost certainly the only thing that keeps them from straight up trying to kill them off Soviet-style. I grew up in rural nowhere Ontario and most of the people around there thought the exact same way about urban city dwellers and would have sunk every major city if they had the chance.  The two to come together and realize its the suburbs that are the cause of all problems.
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 NAFTA was '94 and we haven't really changed tariffs on Chinese or Southeast Asian imports over the past thirty years, but we didn't see manufacturing job losses until '01. Sure seems to me that it wasn't trade what killed the American worker.
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Ginette Reno posted:Everyone should be living in cities anyways. Better for the environment to not have all these bullshit suburbs and cars and poo poo. As someone who grew up rural and poor and moved to the big city and got a nice skilled-trade job but plenty of less qualified, less accomplished people still feel perfectly comfortable talking at me like I'm slow or a zoo animal if I don't cover up my accent around them, yeah, hard pass. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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and it's rural folk not city folk who live in a bubble I know plenty of people who grew up in rural areas and I've lived in cities all my life. How many rural people can say the same about city folk?
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Lightning Knight posted:Those states aren't monolithic though. It's also no different than now, just focusing on the more populous states where, you know, most people actually live. People who aren't the dominant political identity of their state would feel like they matter and we wouldn't have anymore of this "I lost but still win because EC hurr durr" garbage. The real awful thing about the current situation is winner-take-all. If everything was proportional electors, I doubt the boost EC gives to less populous states probably would matter much. Winner-take-all is garbage but will never change since no state wants to lose influence by going away from it.
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https://twitter.com/RealAdamRose/status/798973443492302848
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 This man will be interacting with leaders from around the loving globe.
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it's pretty cool how people who assume uspol hates the rural poor also assumes that most of uspol has never lived in rural areas or have family in/from rural areas kind of a race to the bottom, people posting on a dying comedy forum posing themselves as more rural than thou and strutting their hayseed bonafides
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Ah I see the reasonable " Uproot Rural Poors to somewhere Else" has infected this thread as well. When has relocating a population other than because of a disaster ever worked. What the hell.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the rural poor that we're concerned about here - those impoverished by deindustrialization - don't really seem to be able to be helped other than by either getting them to move or just giving them money with which to buy things they need to survive What about normal things, like "improved infrastructure" and "government programs in rural areas like the loving TVA"
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:what should be done about the rural poor tho because I literally don't know what jobs are gonna come back and sure blah blah green energy but that's not gonna support every single town destroyed by deindustrialization Just don't gently caress them, please 
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Hollismason posted:Ah I see the reasonable " Uproot Rural Poors to somewhere Else" has infected this thread as well. When has relocating a population other than because of a disaster ever worked. http://globalnews.ca/news/852263/newfoundland-town-awaits-vote-on-accepting-relocation-deal/ 
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boner confessor posted:it's pretty cool how people who assume uspol hates the rural poor also assumes that most of uspol has never lived in rural areas or have family in/from rural areas on average, nobody hates the hicks more viciously than the striving middle class who narrowly escaped being hicks themselves, and will desperately attack anyone a little more country or a little lower-class than them in the hopes it'll get their betters to accept them as one of their own (they won't) like you'll get these weird skull-measuring thinkpieces from native-born provincial Manhattanites who think if you sail past Long Island you fall off the edge of the earth and a dragon eats you but it's all sort of an abstract intellectual exercise to them, they don't actually hate you they're just pretty sure you're not human A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Hollismason posted:Ah I see the reasonable " Uproot Rural Poors to somewhere Else" has infected this thread as well. When has relocating a population other than because of a disaster ever worked. Yeah, what the gently caress people? Where do you even think these people are going to be relocated to? Better not be my city is what im saying Build a wall around poor middle america
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Hollismason posted:Ah I see the reasonable " Uproot Rural Poors to somewhere Else" has infected this thread as well. When has relocating a population other than because of a disaster ever worked. Yeah it's not like the rural areas supply urban areas with anything important. Cash doesn't flow the other direction much, though.
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Pollyanna posted:I don't remember the Bush years very well, but wasn't this basically, uh, zero? 
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:What about normal things, like "improved infrastructure" and "government programs in rural areas like the loving TVA" The loving TVA was intended to help the region transition from agrarian to post-agrarian economy Our post-industrial world, insofar as it exists, is retail and service and poo poo and there's not enough people there to support that.
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Lol, it's cool Bernie will save all us Muslims he's supporting one for leading the DNC so apparently it's all good! I'm just a stupid minority who is "broke brain" and a "loving idiot" according to the Bernie Bros in this thread. Not too much of a difference between you folks' language and that of Trumps supporters.
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Actually the worst type of person is the suburban white dude who blasts hick pop out his lifted truck that's never seen mud outside a highway shoulder.
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Ginette Reno posted:Everyone should be living in cities anyways. Better for the environment to not have all these bullshit suburbs and cars and poo poo. I live right in the middle of the city but probably 90% of potential employment is located out in the burbs and I have no control over that. Companies are naturally going to want to locate their large facilities where land and taxes are cheap.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Just don't gently caress them, please gently caress I'm fine with just giving them cash but then they complain about not doing actual work that makes things unlike those soft city boys who can't build a barn with their bare hands gently caress, there are no jobs and will never again be jobs
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Remember, this all came about for love of money. Capital G.
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