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It is important to consider the empathy of the giant space robots who grafted a human onto a batarian to serve as a gun-arm.
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What is this obsession with having aliens that look nothing like humans, who cares? This is a Star Trek style universe, everything is bipedal, why does it matter? The only issue I'm seeing is that the Tekk look almost exactly like the Protheans, to the point that I'm pretty sure it will be revealed that they're the same species.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:34
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This is dumb because Bioware already made us feel for a walking salamander and a faceless robit.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:47
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precision posted:What is this obsession with having aliens that look nothing like humans, who cares? This is a Star Trek style universe, everything is bipedal, why does it matter? An infinite universe and for some reason every female is fuckable or Elcor and Hanar do exist as non-humanoids, but Bioware is too lazy to rig new models or Aliens that don't look like humans are far more interesting than pansexual squidhead ladies.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:48
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Thor-Stryker posted:Aliens that don't look like humans are far more interesting than pansexual squidhead ladies. I'm not saying I disagree, at all, I'm saying who the flip cares as long as the game and story are good. And Hanar and Elcor? They're in the games so rarely I literally didn't think of them. There's all of one Hanar in the whole trilogy you ever see in person, you never actually interact with them and their main purpose for existing is for a really terrible joke told very slowly. Elcor I'll grant you look different from humans, but not that much - they still have two arms and two legs (or four legs, two of which look more like arms, whatever). I'm just saying, some posting is starting to sound like the kind of people who bought Monster Manual 2 and unironically thought Modrons were awesome.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:07
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Making sure players have empathy for the aliens is code for
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Nov 17, 2016 07:13
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Nobody should overestimate the minimum amount of anthropomorphism something needs for the internet to want to gently caress it
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Nov 17, 2016 07:16
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Zzulu posted:Making sure players have empathy for the aliens is code for I'm not saying that isn't true, I'm just saying who cares as long as it ends up good and that having weirdo races does literally nothing to increase or decrease the odds of the game being good. The ME series and Bioware in general are things that are expected to have a massive fan base. They stopped playing 2 hour long drunken sets in bars over a decade ago.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:35
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At this point I feel most of Mass Effect's appeal comes from the fact that there isn't another mass audience space opera RPG contending with it. I found it so hard to go back to Skyrim after Witcher 3 offered an alternative, but there isn't anything on the same size as Mass Effect that is competing with it.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:37
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precision posted:I'm not saying I disagree, at all, I'm saying who the flip cares as long as the game and story are good. There's at least two or three. I remember at least one in 1 and two in 3. There were probably more in 1 that I'm forgetting, I always only remember the one with the stupid preaching sidequest that I hate because I usually don't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to complete it the ~best way~ on my first trip to the Citadel.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:59
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In ME3 there's one in the citadel and one in Omega who's looking for a couch.
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Nov 17, 2016 08:11
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precision posted:What is this obsession with having aliens that look nothing like humans, who cares? This is a Star Trek style universe, everything is bipedal, why does it matter? If everything looks like humans it's hard to even tolerate them because the standard misanthropy we all feel applies
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Nov 17, 2016 08:21
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Star Trek aliens were all bipedal humanoids because it was low budget and only humans could play the aliens irl This is a loving video game in tyool 2016+
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Nov 17, 2016 08:22
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1966: Star Trek alien guy puts a prosthetic rear end on a black dude's forehead and calls it a day 2016: Mass Effect alien guy puts a rock model on the black dude model's forehead and calls it a day I mean that's p much the same thing
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Nov 17, 2016 08:27
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Shepard totally proved that humanity is the pinnacle of evolution in the milky way galaxy so it stands to reason that other galaxies would be evolving into a similar form if they want a top dog like Shep.
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Nov 17, 2016 08:27
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Infinity Gaia posted:There's at least two or three. I remember at least one in 1 and two in 3. There were probably more in 1 that I'm forgetting, I always only remember the one with the stupid preaching sidequest that I hate because I usually don't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to complete it the ~best way~ on my first trip to the Citadel. My gaming OCD hates that quest so loving much. It was hard to make myself specifically remember not to talk to him until I had a few missions done.
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Nov 17, 2016 08:30
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precision posted:I'm not saying that isn't true, I'm just saying who cares as long as it ends up good and that having weirdo races does literally nothing to increase or decrease the odds of the game being good. The ME series and Bioware in general are things that are expected to have a massive fan base. They stopped playing 2 hour long drunken sets in bars over a decade ago. I think that GameInformer article stumbles by: 1. Saying "here's the new alien race in Andromeda!" and implying there aren't a half dozen other weird new aliens 2. Showing off a bunch of crazy designs and then saying, "Oh, but actually it is Rock Head Man." Just do neither of those, show off the final version of the alien, and leave the rest for the art book. Maybe show off those flying bug aliens from the trailer or something. Two hours into ME1, you could meet elcor, volus, hanar, asari, salarians, turians, quarians, maybe krogan? Oh, and the Keepers. If ME:A has the same depth, it'll be fine, but they keep talking about how you're a human on the human ship going to human world, and also there's a spunky asari sidekick. If it's an exploration game about the unknown, sell people on all the mysterious new stuff they'll find, not on the old stuff from three games ago.
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Nov 17, 2016 08:51
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denimgorilla posted:Shepard totally proved that humanity is the pinnacle of evolution in the milky way galaxy so it stands to reason that other galaxies would be evolving into a similar form if they want a top dog like Shep. Ryder will have to fight Rock People Shepard trying to save the Andromeda galaxy from the alien menace.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:I think that GameInformer article stumbles by: Problem is, I think ME:A is like The Force Awakens where a significant fraction of it is basically quelling the terrors of a fanbase who got burnt hard by the previous entry in the series.
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Trast posted:I'm not sure exactly why Bioware is so hung up on everything attracting empathy. They even tried to make the Reapers empathize with their "saving the galaxy through culling" story. In a video game I'm not really concerned with why I should empathize with the giant space horror is trying to eat my family. No I don't care that there has been layoffs at his job he's a giant space horror trying to eat my family. There is no need for the game to shove some sort of emotional conflict into that situation. Here's the monster, here is your assault rifle, go to down dude. Do you know what "empathy" means?
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Arcsquad12 posted:At this point I feel most of Mass Effect's appeal comes from the fact that there isn't another mass audience space opera RPG contending with it. I found it so hard to go back to Skyrim after Witcher 3 offered an alternative, but there isn't anything on the same size as Mass Effect that is competing with it. Sounds like someone hasn't played a little game called Technomancer. Ok I didn't play it either.
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marktheando posted:Sounds like someone hasn't played a little game called Technomancer. I am currently stuck somewhere in the middle of it. As I was with Mars: War Logs. As I was with Bound By Flame. I don't know exactly what it is that these games are doing wrong. On paper they are more or less exactly like you would imagine a B-movie version of a the Bioware formula. But somehow they're a lot less engaging. While I could write tirades about how the characters in Bioware games are getting more and more simplistic, formulaic and pandering over releases they're still more interesting than everything Spiders try to conjure. I guess every iteration of their combat system being terrible doesn't help.
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precision posted:I'm not saying I disagree, at all, I'm saying who the flip cares as long as the game and story are good. There's at least three hanar you interact with in me1 I can think of. There's street preacher hanar, there's outreach hanar elsewhere in the citadel, and there's shady smuggler hanar on noveria.
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Hedrigall posted:Nobody should overestimate the minimum amount of anthropomorphism something needs for the internet to want to gently caress it
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I hope that at some point Ryder can bring up the Milky Way galaxy on screen and it keeps flickering between being red, blue, and green.
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precision posted:I'm not saying that isn't true, I'm just saying who cares as long as it ends up good and that having weirdo races does literally nothing to increase or decrease the odds of the game being good. Interesting and varied alien designs does increase the odds of it being good. It allows developers to create contrast in combat as everything isn't a generic bipedal humanoid that takes cover and throws grenades. That's not saying Bioware won't add more non-humanoid species, it's just alarming when the developer talks about empathy/rigging to disguise the lack of effort. It's why CoD and Battlefield SP feel boring, you're basically on a treadmill shooting 1,000s of lookalikes which are literally the same 1-3 models reused over and over again.
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Controversial opinion: new aliens look fine. Can't wait to shoot them in the face with my gun. And then hang out with my one alien friend that proves I'm not racist.
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Mymla posted:Controversial opinion: new aliens look fine. Can't wait to shoot them in the face with my gun. And then hang out with my one alien friend that proves I'm not racist.  Edit: "I know those are bone, my Kett best friend said it's alright to say Rock People." SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Mymla posted:Controversial opinion: new aliens look fine. Can't wait to shoot them in the face with my gun. And then hang out with my one alien friend that proves I'm not racist. Nice.
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People aren't (necessarily) complaining that the Kett look bad, just uninspired. Bioware had a chance to do something really interesting here and, in typical Bioware fashion, hosed it up.
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I am amazed that there are people who care this much how alien the aliens are in an action sci-fi game. Not, like, mocking-amazed, just vanilla amazed. Aliens in all but the hardest first-contact-type sci-fi are just bad guys to murder or placeholders for 2D stereotypes of a human Other. The moral and ethical decisions that are central to Bioware's game designs would be much closer to meaningless in a world of alien-aliens who share no traits with us. Like, if all the Rachni queen did was gurgle and spit ink, it's not nearly as difficult a decision whether to free her or kill her.
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homullus posted:I am amazed that there are people who care this much how alien the aliens are in an action sci-fi game. Not, like, mocking-amazed, just vanilla amazed. Aliens in all but the hardest first-contact-type sci-fi are just bad guys to murder or placeholders for 2D stereotypes of a human Other. The moral and ethical decisions that are central to Bioware's game designs would be much closer to meaningless in a world of alien-aliens who share no traits with us. Like, if all the Rachni queen did was gurgle and spit ink, it's not nearly as difficult a decision whether to free her or kill her. yes but these dudes are extremely uninspired and the video/advertisement brought to you by gameinformer spent a ton of time hyping up how unique and interesting these things would be before backtracking immediately. as someone said why spend a ton of time hyping up their otherworldiness when the final product is by far the most generic poo poo shown in the entire video? the kett are poo poo jerry
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homullus posted:I am amazed that there are people who care this much how alien the aliens are in an action sci-fi game. Not, like, mocking-amazed, just vanilla amazed. Aliens in all but the hardest first-contact-type sci-fi are just bad guys to murder or placeholders for 2D stereotypes of a human Other. The moral and ethical decisions that are central to Bioware's game designs would be much closer to meaningless in a world of alien-aliens who share no traits with us. Like, if all the Rachni queen did was gurgle and spit ink, it's not nearly as difficult a decision whether to free her or kill her. many posters in this thread just can't get off if their aliens aren't incomprehensible and depraved looking as possible.
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more like that video is "watereddownsafechoices.mp4"
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Jeza posted:many posters in this thread just can't get off if their aliens aren't incomprehensible and depraved looking as possible. I demand my aliens be horrifying bullet magnets. Unless it is one of the good ones then I want to add it to the crew of SSV Sexual Harassment Bingo Card.
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hottest moment in me series? probably that bit where your secretary girl gets melted into goo. melting into genetic gruel - everything about it
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SgtSteel91 posted:
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Jeza posted:hottest moment in me series? probably that bit where your secretary girl gets melted into goo. melting into genetic gruel - everything about it https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/hot-pot-death-yellowstone-national-park quote:A Portland, Oregon man who was hoping to bathe in a hot pool in Yellowstone National Park died and was dissolved when he fell into the park's boiling, acidic Norris Geyser Basin, park officials have disclosed. No word on whether it gave his sister a snail trail.
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I'm really kind of upset that Mass Effect doesn't include a playable character in a wheelchair. It would add tactical options in combat, like if you wanted to move, you couldn't shoot because you'd be pushing the wheels.
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Jeza posted:many posters in this thread just can't get off if their aliens aren't incomprehensible and depraved looking as possible. nah
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