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Chairman Capone posted:...maybe it's just a current rumor drought. It does seem like a rumor drought. Is it just me, or are the powers that be running a much tighter ship this time around?
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Nov 15, 2016 09:13
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Chairman Capone posted:I hear you... I used to listen to them a lot. I remember a few months ago they had an entire episode about how the Star Wars fandom needs to be more inclusive, and a big chunk of it was them getting angry and yelling at the people who don't like the prequels. And then the next episode the host had an apology for it and then the majority of the apology was again him getting angry at people for not liking the prequels. I haven't listened to either of those episodes but I can sort of imagine how they must go. It is a shame because on the one hand, I appreciate how earnestly they enjoy Star Wars and how it clearly means a lot to them, but on the other, I sort of want them to have someone like Simon Pegg on for a chat. 
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Nov 15, 2016 09:54
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Casimir Radon posted:Catalyst is out on Audible. I've heard a lot of mixed things about Catalyst so far, but the ones I trust most seem to say it's not that good. Which makes me sad. Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't listened to either of those episodes but I can sort of imagine how they must go. I think part of it is that all three of the hosts of Full of Sith work for Lucasfilm in some capacity, writing for Insider and the official site and hosting panels at the Celebration conventions, so given that I doubt they're inclined to be open to any sort of criticism of Star Wars as I'd imagine that would close their Lucasfilm doors pretty fast.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:48
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Chairman Capone posted:I've heard a lot of mixed things about Catalyst so far, but the ones I trust most seem to say it's not that good. Which makes me sad. The USPS just handed me my Amazon copy; I'll get started on it very soon and report back.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:10
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Timeline info: Jyn was born after the start of the Clone Wars, making her at most 22 in Rogue One.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:52
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Chairman Capone posted:I think part of it is that all three of the hosts of Full of Sith work for Lucasfilm in some capacity, writing for Insider and the official site and hosting panels at the Celebration conventions, so given that I doubt they're inclined to be open to any sort of criticism of Star Wars as I'd imagine that would close their Lucasfilm doors pretty fast. All three of them? I know Bryan and Amy do but I didn't know Mike does. I thought he was just an old hand at podcasting (didn't he have one of the earliest really successful podcast back when they started getting popular or something like that?) who was friends with them and happened to be a big Star Wars fan?
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Nov 15, 2016 22:37
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Wheat Loaf posted:All three of them? I know Bryan and Amy do but I didn't know Mike does. I thought he was just an old hand at podcasting (didn't he have one of the earliest really successful podcast back when they started getting popular or something like that?) who was friends with them and happened to be a big Star Wars fan? Huh, I guess you're right... for some reason I thought he was involved also, but a brief Google search proves me wrong. That being said, of the three hosts, Bryan Young is actually my favorite, he's the one who has the most critical insight and wide-ranging approach. On the other end, Amy Ratcliffe is fairly worthless, there are several times where it seemed like she has no knowledge of literature or film outside of modern sci-fi or comic movies and was the most knee-jerk defensive of anything Star Wars related.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:04
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Chairman Capone posted:I've heard a lot of mixed things about Catalyst so far, but the ones I trust most seem to say it's not that good. Which makes me sad.
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Nov 16, 2016 04:00
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Casimir Radon posted:because we otherwise don't have anything coming out for months afterwards. I looked up the upcoming novel list on Wookieepedia, and boy, you aren't kidding. The actual Rogue One novelization in January, Aftermath 3 in February, Thrawn in April, and that's it.
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Nov 16, 2016 05:11
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drat, that's slim pickings. Just give me Lost Stars 2 so i can read that a hundred times.
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Nov 16, 2016 07:47
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Chairman Capone posted:On the other end, Amy Ratcliffe is fairly worthless, there are several times where it seemed like she has no knowledge of literature or film outside of modern sci-fi or comic movies and was the most knee-jerk defensive of anything Star Wars related. Any examples that occur to you? I admit I've never gotten much of an impression like that from her but Bryan definitely tends to dominate discussions (because, as you note, he's clearly put the most thought in and has the most to say).
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Nov 16, 2016 10:38
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I finished Catalyst, it was really boring. It's a shame because I like all of Luceno's past Star Wars stuff. It just reads like 300 pages of backstory dump where nothing actually happens in the end. I get that it's a lead-in to the movie, but I remember Luceno's other movie lead-in novels being a lot more engaging.
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Nov 16, 2016 15:29
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A lot of you seem to forget that it took half of Labyrinth of Evil to get through the episode 3 exposition dump and actually get to the interesting part of the story.
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Nov 16, 2016 17:13
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Wheat Loaf posted:Any examples that occur to you? I admit I've never gotten much of an impression like that from her but Bryan definitely tends to dominate discussions (because, as you note, he's clearly put the most thought in and has the most to say). The things that come to mind off the top of my head are that she didn't know about The Seventh Seal when Max von Sydow's casting was being discussed; when Lawrence Kasdan was being discussed, she didn't know any of his work beyond his Lucasfilm stuff; related to one of Kasdan's movies, they were talking about some well known actor, and her only context was the role he played in a Marvel movie; and there was an episode where Bryan was talking about Maureen Murdock's concept of the "Heroine's Journey" and how Rey might fit into it, and she just angrily shut him down because she took it to be that it's some inferior domesticated version of the Campbell's Hero's Journey and wouldn't listen to him trying to explain how that's not what it is. Plus, she's broke down crying multiple times on the show at the thought of Ahsoka dying, and that just made me roll my eyes. I feel kind of like a fedora-wearing MRA for putting down the only female member of that podcast's team so I'll add that there are plenty of male Star Wars fans who I know fit those exact same complaints. Also, I liked when they occasionally had on one of the women from Stuff You Missed in History as a guest (and her and Bryan's Fauxthentic History podcast is fun for what it is).
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Nov 16, 2016 21:54
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Chairman Capone posted:The things that come to mind off the top of my head are that she didn't know about The Seventh Seal when Max von Sydow's casting was being discussed; when Lawrence Kasdan was being discussed, she didn't know any of his work beyond his Lucasfilm stuff; related to one of Kasdan's movies, they were talking about some well known actor, and her only context was the role he played in a Marvel movie; and there was an episode where Bryan was talking about Maureen Murdock's concept of the "Heroine's Journey" and how Rey might fit into it, and she just angrily shut him down because she took it to be that it's some inferior domesticated version of the Campbell's Hero's Journey and wouldn't listen to him trying to explain how that's not what it is. Plus, she's broke down crying multiple times on the show at the thought of Ahsoka dying, and that just made me roll my eyes. Nah. You're not saying she's a fake nerd girl. She's just a stereotypical nerd only interested in nerd poo poo that happens to have a vagina. I feel like people need to sometimes dabble outside their comfort zone and see things that aren't Star Wars, Marvel, anime or video games. Be a little more cultured.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:03
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Chairman Capone posted:The things that come to mind off the top of my head are that she didn't know about The Seventh Seal when Max von Sydow's casting was being discussed; when Lawrence Kasdan was being discussed, she didn't know any of his work beyond his Lucasfilm stuff; related to one of Kasdan's movies, they were talking about some well known actor, and her only context was the role he played in a Marvel movie; and there was an episode where Bryan was talking about Maureen Murdock's concept of the "Heroine's Journey" and how Rey might fit into it, and she just angrily shut him down because she took it to be that it's some inferior domesticated version of the Campbell's Hero's Journey and wouldn't listen to him trying to explain how that's not what it is. Plus, she's broke down crying multiple times on the show at the thought of Ahsoka dying, and that just made me roll my eyes. Fair enough - I guess I haven't heard those episodes because I only really listened to them from a month or two before TFA came out through to earlier this year. Honestly, I liked it best when Bobby Roberts (who also used to produce Jay & Miles X-Plain the X-Men, which is how I discovered Full of Sith) was a co-host because, as I recall, he seemed to have a lot of knowledge about film and so on like Bryan does, but he was also willing to be the other side of the argument (e.g. he's not a big prequel fan whereas Bryan is) in a way the others aren't.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:26
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If we are talking Star Wars pod casts, please due yourself a favor if you are a 30 to 40 somthing Star Wars fan and listen to 'Star Wars in Character' 4 guys use low brow humor as they express disbelief that the old EU was a thing. Every episode they pick a background character and give a grade school report from the wookiepeedia page.
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Nov 17, 2016 04:54
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Hey as long as it isn't ForceCast, it's probably a decent show. ForceCast is crap.
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Arcsquad12 posted:A lot of you seem to forget that it took half of Labyrinth of Evil to get through the episode 3 exposition dump and actually get to the interesting part of the story. That's what I was expecting Catalyst to be, but in this case it never gets to the interesting part of the story.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:15
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ScottyJSno posted:If we are talking Star Wars pod casts, please due yourself a favor if you are a 30 to 40 somthing Star Wars fan and listen to 'Star Wars in Character' Second that. Chris' cackling fits get me every time.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Nah. You're not saying she's a fake nerd girl. She's just a stereotypical nerd only interested in nerd poo poo that happens to have a vagina. But then they might watch The Hidden Fortress and realize that the whole franchise has only been a step down from that movie. Imagine the existential crises it could trigger.
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Nov 17, 2016 10:36
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Arcsquad12 posted:Hey as long as it isn't ForceCast, it's probably a decent show. ForceCast is crap. ForceCast was crap. It ended not too long ago. ScottyJSno posted:If we are talking Star Wars pod casts, please due yourself a favor if you are a 30 to 40 somthing Star Wars fan and listen to 'Star Wars in Character'  Subscribed.
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thrawn527 posted:ForceCast was crap. It ended not too long ago. Well that's a relief. Most of the stuff to come out of force.net is terrible especially since their working relationship with Lucasfilm and Disney resulted in most dissenting opinions leaving the site. It's no fun posting on a forum where moderators endorse harassment against people who dislike authors or stories while punishing those same people for back talk.
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Nov 17, 2016 18:31
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To be fair, almost everyone who posts on theforce.net forums is horrible and an idiot.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Well that's a relief. Most of the stuff to come out of force.net is terrible especially since their working relationship with Lucasfilm and Disney resulted in most dissenting opinions leaving the site. It's no fun posting on a forum where moderators endorse harassment against people who dislike authors or stories while punishing those same people for back talk. Yeah, several months back they had this big shake up on the podcast, where the main hosts were gone, and one of the real junior members was giving the hosting duties. He made his first episode this big, "We're excited about what's to come!" and laid out what his vision for the podcast was, how he wanted to structure the conversation, stuff like that. A few days later they announced it was cancelled. It was pretty hilarious.
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Lake Jucas posted:To be fair, almost everyone who posts on theforce.net forums is horrible and an idiot. When you are 15 and the clone wars has just started airing you're not thinking about whether people are idiots or not. You just want someone to talk to about the show. After a few friends and I started an offsite forum to talk about stuff without the moderator hawks attacking us, we pretty much jumped ship when they used our own forum as an excuse to ban us, accusing us of instigating unrest in the forums.
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Nov 17, 2016 19:37
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http://www.cracked.com/article_24457_5-ways-george-lucas-almost-killed-star-wars-forever.html From Cracked (I know, I know). I vaguely remembered Detours being announced but had no idea it looked that bad. Arcsquad12 posted:Well that's a relief. Most of the stuff to come out of force.net is terrible especially since their working relationship with Lucasfilm and Disney resulted in most dissenting opinions leaving the site. It's no fun posting on a forum where moderators endorse harassment against people who dislike authors or stories while punishing those same people for back talk. What's wrong with them? Too focused on the new Eu? Legends? Something else?
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Detours looked like an extended drag on the robot chicken specials except watered down and made nonstop. Edit Way too focused on toeing the party line so they stay cozied up to Disney. Can't have people bad mouthing the shows or the writers. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Nckdictator posted:http://www.cracked.com/article_24457_5-ways-george-lucas-almost-killed-star-wars-forever.html I... don't get the "Marvel comics ruined Star Wars" one. That appears to completely ignoring facts.I mean I wasn't big on the Marvel SW comics because Indiana Joss Whedon Jones drove me batshit but Vader certainly was murdering people aplenty there.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:05
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Old Marvel star wars or new marvel star wars?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Old Marvel star wars or new marvel star wars? The image they link is from the new one as far as I know.
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, several months back they had this big shake up on the podcast, where the main hosts were gone, and one of the real junior members was giving the hosting duties. He made his first episode this big, "We're excited about what's to come!" and laid out what his vision for the podcast was, how he wanted to structure the conversation, stuff like that. A few days later they announced it was cancelled. Not trying to be snarky, just genuinely curious: Are you misremembering the timeline, or did history repeat itself recently? Because I do know that Jason Swank and Jimmy MacInnerny quitting and creating Rebel Force Radio happened a few years ago, not a few months. I remember listening to the ForceCast after that on and off for a few months (I think both hosts were called Eric? Blythe and Geller, or something?), and it was just a very drab affair in comparison. I have no idea how and why it ended, but the general feeling I got from those who still listened was "no big loss".
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Arcsquad12 posted:Old Marvel star wars or new marvel star wars? I couldn't really get through the article because Cracked makes my browser get all jerky for some reason, but I saw the heading of that entry was something like "Star Wars comics were just getting their act together when Disney cancelled them". Not sure I agree, to be honest. Stuff like Agent of the Empire was good but other than that, what was still ongoing? I don't think they were doing so well commercially either. (I'd fallen off Dark Horse Star Wars right at the end of it after like 10 years of being a turbo-geek for them.)
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So has anything come out to explain away Tarkin's involvement in the Death Star or was most of it Legends stuff so it doesn't really matter? Not that new British guy seems bad or anything.
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I used to look at TFN because they had a reliable list of upcoming books. Now they redirect to some other site with a worse list. So there went the only thing TFN was good for.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So has anything come out to explain away Tarkin's involvement in the Death Star or was most of it Legends stuff so it doesn't really matter? Pretty sure that as far as Story Group Canon is concerned, Tarkin is just the dude placed in charge of the Death Star. Casimir Radon posted:I used to look at TFN because they had a reliable list of upcoming books. Now they redirect to some other site with a worse list. So there went the only thing TFN was good for. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_future_books jivjov fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure that as far as Story Group Canon is concerned, Tarkin is just the dude placed in charge of the Death Star.  Then again they can't bring back Cushing and that dude looked godawful as him in Revenge of the Sith, so I can live with it.
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IIRC, Tarkin (the novel) implied Tarkin was in charge of the overall Death Star program and its construction. I haven't read it yet, but people who've read Catalyst say it paints Krennic as a sort of upper-middle manager on the project who desperately wants Tarkin's job.
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Has there been any indication that Wulff Yularen is gonna be in Rogue One? If they're including one Clone Wars character, it would also make sense to include the one who was also canonically on the Death Star.
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