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Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Poison Mushroom posted:

What're the breakpoints for weapon-independent skills?

Like, I know with most weapon skills, the breakpoints are '1.0' and 'mindelay', and Spellcasting's is "Spel * Int >= multiple of 50" for spell hunger, etc.

What about fighting, or dodging, or stealth? Do I really need to break out the calculator every time, or are there other reasonable rule of thumb options? Armor = current armor's encumbrance rating?

Its character dependent. You train those skills until they reach a level you find comfortable. I don't think they have diminishing returns; which is to say, a level of fighting is always gonna give the same benefits at 5 as it does at 20. The exp cost for raising skills when they reach high levels is enormous though, so I usually turn skills off once they reach 20 unless I have nothing else I want to put points into it.

I always prioritize raising fighting to 10 in the early game because I hate having low HP. I always raise my defensive stats to levels I'm comfortable with as well. Stealth I don't bother with at all unless I'm gonna be relying on it, in which case I crank it up as much as possible.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 02:07

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:53

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

When I play a tab-melee character, after mindelay on my top-tier weapon (+1 or +2 drain buffer), I tend to just leave one or more of my defenses on turned on at all times, even while skilling spells or evo.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 02:56

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

This DEIE found an xp potion, the ring of robustness, randart boots with +7 dex, benemut that gave it +int, and regular mut that gave it wild magic all before finishing lair.

Can't wait to see my embarassing death.

Assuming pointless map loops don't kill me first.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 03:48

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Haifisch posted:

This DEIE found an xp potion, the ring of robustness, randart boots with +7 dex, benemut that gave it +int, and regular mut that gave it wild magic all before finishing lair.

Can't wait to see my embarassing death.

Assuming pointless map loops don't kill me first.

on Elf3,

on Vault5.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:11

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Poison Mushroom posted:

on Elf3, on Vault5.

I'm putting my money on a depths death. Everyone who has experience with crawl can be careful enough to beat vaults and elf if you have a strong character, but depths is a huge slog of common but extremely random bursts of danger. It's very difficult to maintain enough focus for the entire time.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:23

Dr. Fraiser Chain: May 18, 2004; Redlining my shit posting machine

I did it, I ascended a three rune demon spawn fighter of oka. I got gifted a +10 axe and plate before lair and got some major help on discord.

Woo

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:31

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

No rune yet, now have ring of ice and conj staff too. :rip:

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:34

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

Haifisch posted:

This DEIE found an xp potion, the ring of robustness, randart boots with +7 dex, benemut that gave it +int, and regular mut that gave it wild magic all before finishing lair.

Can't wait to see my embarassing death.

Assuming pointless map loops don't kill me first.

So I guess you're... having a nice DEIE?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:48

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Oh another buckler Okawaru? Gee, dunno why you thought I needed a third one when I have 3 already and zero shields skill :mad:

Give me a triple crossbow already you old gently caress.

EDIT: Or I can just die to an orb of destruction slinging ghost

I hate this tournament

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 04:51

Luceid: Jan 20, 2005; Buy some freaking medicine.

Internet Kraken posted:

I hate this tournament

RIP to those who died.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 10:08

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

I reached a new personal best, I picked up the golden rune as my second rune with a gargoyle fighter (previously best was #3 with a mummy necromancer) I skipped swamp because I had no flaming sword and I was worshipping TSO so after diving crypt I just walked into tomb at level 22. The sphinx pack nearly killed me because I was using maxwells and overcommitted, but after that it was a complete breeze. Tomb difficulty is weird. The thought of doing pan or any hells with >150 health and melee only is terrifying but Tomb was about the same or easier than normal.

Relatedly, does anyone have ideas for getting the Lord of Darkness (Win without entering lair, orc & vaults) banner? Even surviving depths without that xp & gear is rough, getting 2 pan or hell runes to go with it is crazy.

e: Last time I commented I said that beckoning was too good but I was mostly using it on an augmentation demonspawn. Using it on a regular character, even with 24 translocation, 20 spellcasting and 20 int I only had a range of 4. At that point I could cast cBlink at 1% in IDA. That's real dumb. A version of beckoning that had higher investment requirements but a better power curve would be much better. I can understand not wanting max range beckon (especially since it doesn't check anything and pulls the full distance) but 4 range is pitiful.
Alternative idea, make the range scale up faster but make the pull distance also dependent on power, so you need to use multiple pulls if you're not rocking that ridiculous power requirement.

Darox fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 13:23

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Mahkleb allies or Abyss scumming, probably.

Edit: going super-stealthy would help too. Nightstalker Ds of Dith?

Speleothing fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 15:07

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Shaft self into 20 orcs in orc mines, Xom "saves" me by banishing me. #99Problems #Xom

# ? Nov 17, 2016 16:03

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

Darox posted:

Relatedly, does anyone have ideas for getting the Lord of Darkness (Win without entering lair, orc & vaults) banner? Even surviving depths without that xp & gear is rough, getting 2 pan or hell runes to go with it is crazy.

I've seen the typical Lord of Darkness wins come from Ghouls because of their immunity to torment and decent apts to be some sort of unarmed tabber as their early game and relatively easy hybridization into Ice Magic and Necromancy later on. The stealth apt allows them to semi-sneak Depths to a portal to scum Abyss/Hell/Pan for xp (without horribly mutating to boot!). Probably god choice would be split between Okawaru for relatively easy gear or Makhleb to keep HP topped up.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 18:19

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Wouldn't ghouls get rotted to hell and beyond by the twisted stars?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 18:31

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Wouldn't ghouls get rotted to hell and beyond by the twisted stars?

Ghouls fix rotting by eating meat, so as long as they kill the wretched stars fast maybe it's not a problem?

I mean, I wouldn't try it personally, but if you want to take the risk for Lord of Darkness anyway...

# ? Nov 17, 2016 18:33

Carados: Jan 28, 2009; We're a couple, when our bodies double.

I auto explored while over water with a potion of flying and it just didn't move and drained me to zero. 0 skills lair is fun!

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:32

Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

Carados posted:

I auto explored while over water with a potion of flying and it just didn't move and drained me to zero. 0 skills lair is fun!

At least you didn't drown!

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:33

Carados: Jan 28, 2009; We're a couple, when our bodies double.

Floodkiller posted:

At least you didn't drown!

Flight running low used to break auto explore, so you could react!

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:39

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Autoexplore should probably just not cross deep water if you only have temporary flight (and you can't swim or otherwise walk through deep water or whatever other weird special cases).

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:42

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Autoexplore should probably just not cross deep water if you only have temporary flight (and you can't swim or otherwise walk through deep water or whatever other weird special cases).

I honestly thought it didn't! That's very weird.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:52

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Looks like they were already over the deep water and it didn't move them, if I'm reading it right?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:53

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

Prism posted:

Ghouls fix rotting by eating meat, so as long as they kill the wretched stars fast maybe it's not a problem?

I mean, I wouldn't try it personally, but if you want to take the risk for Lord of Darkness anyway...

The real nastiness is the stat drain mutating can impose on undead instead of the rotting, anyway, when you haven't reached the point in the game where experience is abundant. That's sort of why going Unarmed as your main killdudes is recommended here because the high base damage would render wretched stars inert in pretty short order.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:22

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Found the (+8 antimagic *Rage battleaxe) Wrath of Trog on my VS with no axe levels or crosstrains.

I... I don't know. :ohdear:

Also, amulet of faith on Usk is hilarious.

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:35

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

odiv posted:

Looks like they were already over the deep water and it didn't move them, if I'm reading it right?

Yeah, I can't reproduce this at all; I just get "partly explored; can't reach some items and places" if i try. (No time passes.)

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Found the (+8 antimagic *Rage battleaxe) Wrath of Trog on my VS with no axe levels or crosstrains.

I... I don't know.

Antimagic weapons aren't super great for VS.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:37

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

PleasingFungus posted:

Yeah, I can't reproduce this at all; I just get "partly explored; can't reach some items and places" if i try. (No time passes.)

Antimagic weapons aren't super great for VS.

Oh huh, didn't even think of that. Problem solved!

Edit: eaten by pigs from the pig pen vault on D9. :saddowns:

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:38

Carados: Jan 28, 2009; We're a couple, when our bodies double.

PleasingFungus posted:

Yeah, I can't reproduce this at all; I just get "partly explored; can't reach some items and places" if i try. (No time passes.)

Think it might have something to do with rest before explore.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:57

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Sage Grimm posted:

The real nastiness is the stat drain mutating can impose on undead instead of the rotting, anyway, when you haven't reached the point in the game where experience is abundant. That's sort of why going Unarmed as your main killdudes is recommended here because the high base damage would render wretched stars inert in pretty short order.

I forgot about that, probably because I've never played a ghoul for any length of time. Good point.

My bitch for today: a deep elf mage just hanging out on D:6 with his fire elemental buddies. That was a surprising (non-runed) door to open. My morgue file claims it was guppyfry_early_elven_hall - early indeed!

Prism fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Nov 17, 2016

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:58

Floodkiller: May 31, 2011

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Found the (+8 antimagic *Rage battleaxe) Wrath of Trog on my VS with no axe levels or crosstrains.

I... I don't know.

Also, amulet of faith on Usk is hilarious.

Even though you're dead, a word of warning that Wrath of Trog *Rage is special cased to go off on a 50% chance for every melee attack. You WILL go berserk every fight, without exception.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 21:00

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

Prism posted:

Ghouls fix rotting by eating meat, so as long as they kill the wretched stars fast maybe it's not a problem?

I mean, I wouldn't try it personally, but if you want to take the risk for Lord of Darkness anyway...

Mutations don't rot undead races anymore, it's strictly stat drain now.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 21:17

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

Probably to deal with the special casing Mummies had to handle rot, since aside from their ability to perma-drain 1 MP to clear all of it the only other way to heal rot was with a wand of heal wounds. I think that ability is gone now?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 21:50

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Actual for real serious FR: item-using menus like (q)uaff, (r)ead, and e(V)oke should have ! functionality to switch between use and describe, like most other menus in the game have. I was teaching my friend crawl yesterday and he was frustrated that he couldn't have a menu that would allow him to view his consumables and check what they did other than the enormous (i)nventory menu.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:16

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

I had a great OgCK game going, Xom had gifted me a +5 morningstar of freezing and some sweet mutations! Everything was going great, until I got shafted from D:5 to D:8, and then almost immediately from D:8 to D:11 into the middle of a pack of ugly things and a Centaur Warrior, where I died before my teleport went off.

Shafts are a great mechanic you guys

# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:59

hito: Feb 13, 2012; Thank you, kids. By giving us this lift you're giving a lift to every law-abiding citizen in the world.

So I splatted some characters I had no business splatting (including one of the luckiest pre-lairs I'd ever had) because my head hasn't been in the right place the last couple of weeks.

I decided to try to make something productive of my failure and see if I could get every level one banner without getting a single level two banner. I pulled it off, but now I'm torn - I want to get a win on the board for my clan, but a win means a level 2 banner...

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:26

Luceid: Jan 20, 2005; Buy some freaking medicine.

okay that's it for me this tournament, i said i'd do it and by god i did it

code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19.0 (webtiles) character file.

14469393 Ark the Bringer of Light (level 27, 199/199 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Fighter on Nov 17, 2016.
             Was the Champion of the Shining One.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Nov 18, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 08:25:14 (110519 turns).

Ark the Bringer of Light (Gargoyle Fighter)       Turns: 110519, Time: 08:25:15

Health: 199/199    AC: 69    Str: 36    XL:     27
Magic:  48/48      EV: 28    Int: 18    God:    the Shining One [******]
Gold:   15703      SH: 15    Dex: 21    Spells: 4 memorised, 57 levels left

rFire  + + .      SeeInvis +    f - 20 bread rations
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    j - +12 plate armour "Sugaka" {MR+ Int+3}
rNeg   + + +      Faith    .    u - +3 warlock's mirror {reflect}
rPois  &#8734;          Spirit   .    w - +2 helmet
rElec  +          Reflect  +    X - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .          Harm     .    Q - +0 pair of fencer's gloves {+Riposte Dex+3}
MR     +++++                    N - +2 pair of boots of the Planets {rN+ Str+6}
Stlth  ..........               O - amulet of Zaxtaih {rF+ Regen+ Dex+7 SInv Stlth-}
                                B - ring "Goakew Xupn" {rF+ rC+ rN+ Str+3 Dex-3}
                                I - ring of Nihilism {+Inv rElec rN+ MR+ Int+5}

Pan was probably the longest stretch but this was a foregone conclusion by the time I finished swamp. good luck to everyone still finishing off their big wins!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:30

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

Help!

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LogicNinja/LogicNinja.txt

I got this Vine Stalker to Depths, but gold dragons are kicking my rear end. The Arc Blade carried me through most of the game but I don't have a lot of good resist gear (despite buying a bajillion shops) and I haven't found any long blades better than a great sword to swap to for damage.

I need to double down on something offensive before it's too late but I'm not sure what it should be. Long blades? Conjurations?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:15

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

Is there an up-to-date list of Demonspawn mutations anywhere? the wiki is horribly out of date

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:16

Mortimer Knag: Nov 23, 2007

I want scrolls of fog to have a tiny chance at making a cloud of butterflies since random uselessness doesn't anymore.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:26

Wolfechu: May 2, 2009; All the world's a stage I'm going through

Mystery Prize posted:

I had a great OgCK game going, Xom had gifted me a +5 morningstar of freezing and some sweet mutations! Everything was going great, until I got shafted from D:5 to D:8, and then almost immediately from D:8 to D:11 into the middle of a pack of ugly things and a Centaur Warrior, where I died before my teleport went off.

Shafts are a great mechanic you guys

I bet Xom found that hilarious, though.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:29

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:53

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

He sure did!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:29

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