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Pollyanna posted:I refuse to work alongside a fascist. How is this different from leftists refusing to vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" (which honestly is way more true than DJT being a fascist)
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Trabisnikof posted:Except that's not true. You're not the only person trotting out "mental health kindness" as a way to dismiss posters. why do you keep talking to that insanely bad poster oh my god learn you don't always learn to get the last word in no matter what
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Maybe the Democrats are negging the Donald.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:um we'll invade Canada for lebensraum and booty, duh Id argue that it's a lot easier for someone to hang themself if you give them a little bit of rope first but I totally understand where you're coming from. I don't think hed faceplant immediately but I guess we're gonna have to see how things shake out
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Pollyanna posted:I refuse to work alongside a fascist. Even if we could "solve" Climate Change?
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Venuz Patrol posted:i hope we can at least agree that eighth-dimensional chess is not the right path forward for playing politics with the fascists Unfortunately it's literally the only way forward at this point until 2018.
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NewForumSoftware posted:I'm not implying that, I'm saying if he has specific policy goals that align with progressives what's wrong with supporting them (assuming they aren't bundled with a bunch of horrific poo poo) There's not really anything wrong with that, but it's a dumbshit political move to come out two months ahead of inauguration as the party of compromise and getting things done by working across the aisle when one of the dude's first moves was to put a white supremacist in charge of strategy
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:why do you keep talking to that insanely bad poster oh my god learn you don't always learn to get the last word in no matter what Because I love my Country  🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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NewForumSoftware posted:So basically progressives should fight against any and all actions taken by Trump because he's Trump? I don't know, I guess that "worked" for the GOP during Obama's presidency but it certainly didn't make the country a better place. It doesn't matter anymore. The only option is gridlock, because we must never ever collaborate with a faction which threatens the republic itself. Any Democratic collaborators must be jettisoned from the party as quickly as possible.
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Trabisnikof posted:That all my arguments should just be dismissed out of hand as "broken brain?" If that's what you meant, are you even sure what my arguments are? It was actually more of "if people insult me immediately out of the gate why should I bother reconciling them?", which is a lesson the elite really need to learn wrt the working poor, but I see you did a complete 180 and veered back to your sense of smug superiority as fast as humanly possible. Well done!
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:There's not really anything wrong with that, but it's a dumbshit political move to come out two months ahead of inauguration as the party of compromise and getting things done by working across the aisle when one of the dude's first moves was to put a white supremacist in charge of strategy What's the better path forward exactly? I don't see how pushing Donald Trump's more anti-establishment stances into the public discourse and ensuring it stays there doesn't help the progressive movement in America. At the very least it's going to cause some serious internal strife for the GOP. Acid Haze posted:It doesn't matter anymore. The only option is gridlock, because we must never ever collaborate with a faction which threatens the republic itself. Any Democratic collaborators must be jettisoned from the party as quickly as possible. It's just really weird to hear these arguments coming from liberals who convinced me that Obama's pretty bad, but we should celebrate what we can get.
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NewForumSoftware posted:How is this different from leftists refusing to vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" (which honestly is way more true than DJT being a fascist)
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Yea let's work with Donald Trump lol jesus christ dude
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NewForumSoftware posted:How is this different from leftists refusing to vote for Hillary because she was a "neoliberal" (which honestly is way more true than DJT being a fascist) You know sometimes the liberal firing squad actually works
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It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here?
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here? yeah, don't base your politics on what gets you yelled at less on internet forums maybe?
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here? Why are you comparing compromise with a centrist democrat to compromise with a racist bigot authoritarian?
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I'll show those liberals! *implements UHC* *infrastructure spending* *ends American imperialism in the Middle East* *tightens regulations on Wall St.* *doesn't do anything he said he will do to Mexicans/Muslims* He'll do exactly none of those things and the Berner knows it. e: so does Warren
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Trabisnikof posted:Even if we could "solve" Climate Change? What do we lose in exchange for that? Because allying wth fascism is always a moral tradeoff.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Guys, get this: maybe we really should build a wall Well considering Obama re-signed the patriot act, the bush tax cuts, and a whole bunch of horrific poo poo in the name of compromise I don't see what's changed so drastically I guess. But at the end of the day it seems it really does come down to the fact that I don't see Donald Trump as some kind of fascist monster, just a really rich dude who said whatever it took to win an election who was always going to play ball with the elite in this country (he is one). Maybe in four years the country will have collapsed and we'll all be sitting around tire fires speaking about this in legend but I just have a hard time seeing that happen. mcmagic posted:Why are you comparing compromise with a centrist democrat to compromise with a racist bigot authoritarian? Well, to answer you clearly. 1. I think Hillary is racist, a bigot and an authoritarian (she just didn't campaign on any of it) 2. I think Donald Trump is closer to a centrist democrat than Jon Kasich was In short, I really didn't see that much difference in the candidates other than which groups of people they got whipped up into a frenzy. It was always a lesser of two evils argument and I never took anything they said during the campaign seriously. NewForumSoftware fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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NewForumSoftware posted:Well considering Obama re-signed the patriot act, the bush tax cuts, and a whole bunch of horrific poo poo in the name of compromise I don't see what's changed so drastically I guess. But at the end of the day it seems it really does come down to the fact that I don't see Donald Trump as some kind of fascist monster, just a really rich dude who said whatever it took to win an election who was always going to play ball with the elite in this country (he is one). Maybe in four years the country will have collapsed and we'll all be sitting around tire fires speaking about this in legend but I just have a hard time seeing that happen. - The cowardly left
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just really weird to hear these arguments coming from liberals who convinced me that Obama's pretty bad, but we should celebrate what we can get. I don't see how it's weird? A corporatist diplomat vs Authoritarianism? Yeah, I know which one I'm going to pick. This is America and when we vote for president we get 2 options, typically neither one great, but that is what we get. I would love to have more parties and electoral reform, etc but that's way up there in the sky and we're down here in a ditch with, Donald Trump, President of the United States, because millions of people who voted for Obama said "gently caress it" and stayed home on the 8th. The things we hoped to fight for have just been put far out of reach, and the focus now has to shift. There is no choice.
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here?
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here? everyone who said the former got chased out of the thread, smart guy
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I'll show those liberals! This is exactly right. Bernie and senate dems are not going to go along with any Trump/GOP legislation, people need to calm down.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Well considering Obama re-signed the patriot act, the bush tax cuts, and a whole bunch of horrific poo poo in the name of compromise I don't see what's changed so drastically I guess. But at the end of the day it seems it really does come down to the fact that I don't see Donald Trump as some kind of fascist monster, just a really rich dude who said whatever it took to win an election who was always going to play ball with the elite in this country (he is one). Maybe in four years the country will have collapsed and we'll all be sitting around tire fires speaking about this in legend but I just have a hard time seeing that happen. yeah I get that you're basically a smirk that grew arms and legs who's not personally affected by federal policy and is free to basically ignore it but given that you fundamentally don't care maybe don't be so loud about it in the politics forum?
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Dems first measure defend Medicare. Then stop any mass deportations, . Then stop any registry. Also stop FADA.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:yeah I get that you're basically a smirk that grew arms and legs who's not personally affected by federal policy and is free to basically ignore it but maybe don't be so loud about it in the politics forum? Hmm an American citizen not affected by federal policy... yeah that's something that exists in reality and isn't totally made up in your head. I guess if I was a multi-billionaire maybe?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Glass the entire ME, in the name of compromise. Sacrifices have to be made in the name of compromise, the whole point is nobody is happy with the outcome *sends Muslims to camps*
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NewForumSoftware posted:Well considering Obama re-signed the patriot act, the bush tax cuts, and a whole bunch of horrific poo poo in the name of compromise I don't see what's changed so drastically I guess. But at the end of the day it seems it really does come down to the fact that I don't see Donald Trump as some kind of fascist monster, just a really rich dude who said whatever it took to win an election who was always going to play ball with the elite in this country (he is one). Maybe in four years the country will have collapsed and we'll all be sitting around tire fires speaking about this in legend but I just have a hard time seeing that happen. Those opinions are dumb and wrong.
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Call me crazy but I think jettisoning Sanders would probably make the Dems even more unelectable. He is taking a huge gamble on Trump falling face first on his promises to the poor and disenfranchised while reinforcing his commitments to stand up to wall street and put people back to work via government spending.
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mcmagic posted:Those opinions are dumb and wrong. Yeah I'm aware that if I make any sort of effort post it will be met with meaningless shitposting but I mean, can't you at least add some flavor?
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Business Gorillas posted:I forget did we reinstate the Shah because the democratically elected government was just hostile to our oil interests or were they flirting with We didn't even have oil interests in Iran, we did it as a favor to Britain because the democratically elected government was going to nationalize British oil interests after the British refused to negotiate more favorable conditions than the one-sided monopoly dating back to the imperial era. Socialism was the excuse, though. NewForumSoftware posted:Well, to answer you clearly. ayyyyy lmao
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NewForumSoftware posted:Hmm an American citizen not affected by federal policy... yeah that's something that exists in reality and isn't totally made up in your head. I guess if I was a multi-billionaire maybe? Just being male, middle-class and white is usually enough
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Business Gorillas posted:Sacrifices have to be made in the name of compromise, the whole point is nobody is happy with the outcome dems only did that to some, most were just profiled
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NewForumSoftware posted:It's just amazing, as a reluctant Hillary voter who was screamed at endlessly that compromise is the only way forward by liberals... now they are all screaming at me that compromise basically means you're supporting a fascist. Is there something I'm missing here? You seem to be assuming it's the same people. I'm not as sure as you that this is the case.
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