Civilization VI: I Get A Little Bit Genghis Khan

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Jastiger: Oct 11, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

For national.parks i know you cant have any districts or improvements, but what about wonders? Can you have a wonder in a national park?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:13

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# ? May 15, 2024 08:51

Elias_Maluco: Aug 23, 2007; I need to sleep

Prav posted:

correct, you should not buy civilization 6. it could be a good game, if a lot of things were different. but they are not.

It does seems like a decent game, from all Ive read. But it also seems like its gonna be a lot better later, like really good, probably. And Im in no hurry

Gort posted:

The thing about Firaxis is that they patch at a truly glacial rate. If you want to wait for the game to improve significantly you'll be measuring your wait in years.

Yeah, I know. But Im in no hurry, like Ive said above. Ive only started playing Civ 5 years later, after BNW, and I dont regret it a bit waiting for it ( and I still play it often)

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:26

Rexides: Jul 25, 2011

If you haven't bought it yet, you might as well wait until the Christmas steam sale (probably just -10% though), so that you get both a patched version and unlock Monty.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 19:58

TyrantWD: Nov 6, 2010; Ignore my doomerism, I don't think better things are possible

Civ 6 is like all previous Civ games at launch - in need of a lot of refinement, and not quite up to par with the previous game +2 expansions.

I would add that Civ 6 is probably the best vanilla release so far. We aren't waiting for additional systems to be added on expansions, and there is a lot of potential in what we already have. With the typical improvement we get after patching and each expansion, Civ 6 will easily be the best entry in the series.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:22

Syenite: Jun 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

turboraton posted:

I always thought that goons are being way too goony about "AI's are too irrational! (lmao get a mirror)" but Jesus Lord Allmighty this guy has done the impossible:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/199675900642818855/F70DD01084BD14D4B335773A4C58C53D33256B97/

*watches every allied civ declare surprise war on him in one turn*

# ? Nov 17, 2016 20:40

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

turboraton posted:

I always thought that goons are being way too goony about "AI's are too irrational! (lmao get a mirror)" but Jesus Lord Allmighty this guy has done the impossible:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/199675900642818855/F70DD01084BD14D4B335773A4C58C53D33256B97/

I suspect this is possible as long as you are objectively losing.

Rexides posted:

If you haven't bought it yet, you might as well wait until the Christmas steam sale (probably just -10% though), so that you get both a patched version and unlock Monty.

If you think you're going to get it when it hits a 10% sale, you can get it right now at GMG for $48. Like all Civs it'll likely be way better after expansions, but you can have a lot of fun with it now (40+ hours) AND ALSO play the expansions so I don't quite understand the logic of waiting. But to each their own.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 21:09

turboraton: Aug 28, 2011

Lockback posted:

I suspect this is possible as long as you are objectively losing.

Guy won and never got dowed.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 21:43

Tom Tucker: Jul 19, 2003; I want to warn you fellers
And tell you one by one
What makes a gallows rope to swing
A woman and a gun

turboraton posted:

Guy won and never got dowed.

What difficulty?

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:09

Prav: Oct 29, 2011

looks like marathon, aka the "we didn't even try this one" speed

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:14

Madcosby: Mar 4, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

I really like this Civ game and look forward to more expansions making it even better in the future!

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:35

Madcosby: Mar 4, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

The game is currently in a garbage state and I denounce it as the worst Civ released yet

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:35

Madcosby: Mar 4, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

That was my Civ6 AI impression

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:36

Eyochigan: Dec 13, 2006; It's not rape unless I explicitly see it!

I played as Kongo yesterday and built my first Mbanza, and holy hell the religion interface is confusing. I was looking desperately for a delete unit button but there was none so I just started spreading random religions to their current locations. How do you guys manage it, there are so many colours.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 22:49

Fork of Unknown Origins: Oct 21, 2005; Gotta Herd On?

Elias_Maluco posted:

It does seems like a decent game, from all Ive read. But it also seems like its gonna be a lot better later, like really good, probably. And Im in no hurry

Yeah, I know. But Im in no hurry, like Ive said above. Ive only started playing Civ 5 years later, after BNW, and I dont regret it a bit waiting for it ( and I still play it often)

The mechanics are pretty good. A few need tweaking. The AI is terminally incapable of using those mechanics. I'm not sure if they'll be able to really fix that.

# ? Nov 17, 2016 23:34

Sanctum: Feb 14, 2005; Property was their religion
A church for one

I take it there's no way to agree to a joint war and get a casus belli?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 00:32

boar guy: Jan 25, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-tvB9DIIM

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:25

Taear: Nov 26, 2004; Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

TyrantWD posted:

Civ 6 is like all previous Civ games at launch - in need of a lot of refinement, and not quite up to par with the previous game +2 expansions.

With the exception of Civ3 which I found totally unplayable I don't think I'd put this above the releases of the other Civ games. There's a lot of mechanics but they don't feel like they work paticularly well and the UI is so bad as to actively hurt you while playing!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 01:34

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Civ6 is a fun civ game and you should buy it. However, there are some caveats. If you are poor, or a student or something equally financially challenged, then you should know that you should eat and pay your rent and finish your schooling and deal with whatever choices you've made to put yourself in that position BEFORE buying Civ6. Civ6 not only won't solve these problems for you, in it's current state it won't distract you from them from very long. BUT, if you're a normal productive adult and the cost of Civ6 is on par for what you pay for dinner every night, or not even a fraction of what you pay on an average night out, then sure it's plenty fun for the first couple of games right now and you'll be all over the quite radical changes by the time the patches and expansions come.

So, is Civ6 a better game than Civ5 or Endless Legend or BF1? Um, probably not right now, but it's still pretty drat awesome and if you like Civ games and you're one of the afore-mentioned grown-ups then just click buy next time you're on Steam and enjoy what is there now.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:07

Rurutia: Jun 11, 2009

Tony Montana posted:

BUT, if you're a normal productive adult and the cost of Civ6 is on par for what you pay for dinner every night, or not even a fraction of what you pay on an average night out,

You spend $1800 on dinner every month, assuming no eating out? You regularly spend $200+ (on yourself only) on a night out? And this is normal productive adult spending? Am I reading this right?

Not trying to start poo poo, just really confused.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:33

Prav: Oct 29, 2011

Taear posted:

With the exception of Civ3 which I found totally unplayable I don't think I'd put this above the releases of the other Civ games. There's a lot of mechanics but they don't feel like they work paticularly well and the UI is so bad as to actively hurt you while playing!

i mean civ 4 crashed a whole lot, but the game mechanics were sound

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:43

Phanatic: Mar 13, 2007; Can't post for 4 hours!

Rurutia posted:

You spend $1800 on dinner every month, assuming no eating out? You regularly spend $200+ (on yourself only) on a night out? And this is normal productive adult spending? Am I reading this right?

Not trying to start poo poo, just really confused.

Maybe he meant "Normal productive adult who owns a home in Manhattan, London, Tokyo, or Zurich."

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:51

William Henry Hairytaint: Oct 29, 2011

Madcosby posted:

That was my Civ6 AI impression

*attempts to DDOS you with a 14.4k modem*

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:53

Gimnbo: Feb 13, 2012; e m b r a c e t r a n q u i l i t y

Phanatic posted:

Maybe he meant "Normal productive adult who owns a home in Manhattan, London, Tokyo, or Zurich."

He might literally be Tony Montana.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 02:57

Rap Game Goku: Apr 2, 2008; Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs

Fall 2016 update now live. 2.1 gb patch downloading now.

EDIT: Found the patch notes: https://civilization.com/news/entries#civilization-vi-fall-2016-update-now-live

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:35

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

Deleting a unit no longer provides gold.

That's a big change.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:45

Kazzah: Jul 15, 2011; Formerly known as
Krazyface; Hair Elf

Also you can now name cities, auto unit-cycling can be disabled without going into the config, you can't harvest tiles (presumably including forests) outside of your borders, warmonger penalties reduced (except for the killing-a-civ one), religious units are more expensive and more potent. You can right-click on units to get their civilopedia page, and close most tabs/windows with Escape.

I'm a few hours away from playing, but this sounds like a really good list.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:49

cerious: Aug 18, 2010

Here lies the Scythian horse economy, 10/21/16 - 11/17/16, may it rest in peace

quote:

When loading a game, the era blurb will be the current era of the saved game, rather than the starting era of the game.

No more FROM THE FIRST STIRRINGS OF LIFE BENEATH WATER anymore

cerious fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Nov 18, 2016

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:52

Kazzah: Jul 15, 2011; Formerly known as
Krazyface; Hair Elf

For the phones:

Firaxis posted:

[NEW]

Maps
--Added a balanced six player map.
--Added a balanced four player map.
�Cavalry and Cannonades� Scenario Added: Combat scenario with reduced unit maintenance costs and no strategic resource requirement for units. Larger starting army and additional starting techs. Time limit: 50 turns. Goal: Possess the largest territory.
DX12 Support
Complete Logitech ARX Support

[GAMEPLAY UPDATES]

Added additional notifications.
Added a �time defeat� for running out of time. This is always disabled if a Score Victory is available.
Added additional Hotkey support (next unit, next city).
Added the ability to rename cities.
Added UI to show the next tile a city will grow to.
Added a visual cue for Barbarian Scouts that are alerted to your city.
Changed Dan Quayle rankings.

[BALANCE CHANGES]

Added prerequisite project (Manhattan Project) for Operation Ivy.
Added Metal Casting as a prerequisite for Economics tech.
Adjusted religious pressure when a religion is first founded to give them more resilience and convert the city.
Adjusted relationship decay rates.
Reduced the effectiveness of cavalry production policies.
Reduced Warmonger penalties in most instances, and adjusted how this reacts to returning versus keeping a city. The last city conquered from a player now provides a heavy warmonger penalty, even if you have a Casus Belli against this player, because you are wiping out a civilization.
Reduced border incursion warnings if the troops are within their own borders.
Increased the number of Great Works of Writing slots in the Amphitheater to 2.
Increased Counterspy operation time.
Increased the cost of Religious units and applied additional charges.
Units may no longer be deleted when they are damaged.
Deleting a unit no longer provides gold.
Updated Island Plates map to have more hills and mountains.
Units may no longer remove features from tiles that are not owned by that player.
Fallout now prevents resource harvesting.
Barbarian camps must spawn further away from low-difficulty players� cities.

[AI TUNING]

Adjusted AI victory condition focus to increase their competitiveness in Science and Tourism.
Adjusted AI understanding of declared friendship.
Adjusted the AI approach to beginning and ending a war based on potential gain and loss.
Increased AI competitiveness in building a more advanced military.
Increased AI usage of Inquisitors. Especially Phillip.
Increased AI value of upgrading units.
Increased AI use of Settler escorts.
Tuned AI usage of units that cannot move and shoot, like Catapults.
Tuned AI city and unit build planning.
Improved the ability of city-states to maintain a strong military.

[BUG FIXES]

Fixed some production Social Policies, Great People, and Pantheon bonuses that were not applying correctly.
Fixed Royal Navy Dockyard not getting the right adjacency bonuses.
Fixed some issues with how the Great Wall was built by players and AI, including proper connection to mountains and removing other players� Great Walls as potential connection points.
Fixed a unit cycling error with formations.
Fixed a bug where the first military levy that expired would return all levied units (including those levied from other city-states) to that city-state. Now it should only return the levied units that actually originally belonged to the one city-state.
Fixed several issues when Airstrips and Aerodromes are occupied, including forced rebasing of enemy units and UI updates.
Fixed an exploit that allowed ranged and bombard units to gain experience when attacking a district with 0 hit points.
Fixed an issue with wonders when transferring city ownership � conquering a city with a wonder would not track that wonder, and could lead to problems when attempting to use Gustave Eiffel.
Fixed an issue where the Settler lens would not always show the right information to the player.
Fixed an issue where AI would counter gold changes with the change desired, rather than the total amount of gold desired.
Fixed an issue where the Tutorial intro and outro videos would appear off-center in certain resolutions.
Fixed some crashes with units.
Fixed an issue where multiple leaders of the same civilization would frequently show up in a game.
Fixed an issue where Trade Route yields were doubling in some instances.
Units in formations now break formation before teleporting between cities.
The achievement �For Queen and Country� was unlocking too frequently.
AI with neutral relationships should accept delegations barring exceptional circumstances.
Can no longer declare a Joint War if it is invalid for either party.
Save game files should no longer be case sensitive.
Certain wonders were sending extra notifications.
Players will no longer receive any warmongering penalties from a joint war partner for actions in that joint war.
Liberating a civilization back to life will now bring them back into the game properly.
Observation Balloon range bonus was being incorrectly applied when stacked.
Text and grammar fixes.

[VISUALS]

Buildings on snow will now have snow on them.
Added an Industrial Barbarian Encampment.
Added a ranger tower to National Parks.
Fixed some issues with buildings not culling around other world items properly.
Fixed an issue with some Districts not showing properly.
Miscellaneous polish applied to multiple improvements, districts, and buildings.

[MULTIPLAYER]

Turn timers are always disabled on the first turn of a new game. This happens regardless of the advanced start or turn timer type selected.
Allow multiplayer lobby's private game status to be toggled once the lobby has been created.
Cap the max players to 12.
Added LAN player name option to options screen.

[UI]

Added the number of specialists working a tile.
Added some additional icons for espionage, promotions, etc.
Added additional Civilopedia shortcuts, including right clicking a unit portrait.
Added the signature to the diplomacy action view/deal view so that we can differentiate between duplicate players. Also added multiplayer screenname in diplomacy.
Added Trade Route yields to the Reports screen.
Added City Center to the City Breakdown panel.
Added rewards and consequences to mission completed popups.
Updated the leader-chooser when beginning a new game.
Updated the end game Victory screen.
Updated the multiplayer staging room.
Updated city banners.
Updated Espionage mission chooser flow.
Updated to display what cities are getting amenities from each resource.
Changed resource icon backings to reflect the type of resource it is.
Auto-scroll to the first Great Person that can be claimed.
Improved search functionality in the Civilopedia.
Removed Barbarian data from player replay graphs.
ESC now closes the Tech, Civic, and Eureka popups.
When loading a game, the era blurb will be the current era of the saved game, rather than the starting era of the game.
[AUDIO]

Added some missing mouseover sounds.
Fixed the Oracle quote.
Fixed an issue where the Advisor voice was not playing in some languages.
Fixed compatibility issues with some sound cards, especially those set to high playback rates.

[MISC]

Added a setup option "No Duplicate Leaders" that is enabled by default. This option prevents multiple players from selecting the same leader.
Updated leader screen to support enabling/disabling bloom according to the 'Enable Bloom' graphics option.
Plot Tooltip Delay is now available in the Options menu.
Auto Cycle Units is now available in the Options menu.
Benchmark updates.
Credits updated.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 03:57

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

So they just completely got rid of selling units? That's a big swing.

Also still no co-op/allied victory options :sigh:

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:03

The Human Crouton: Sep 20, 2002

Wow. Only three weeks for a Firaxis patch. Gives me hope. Now to try it out as soon as it updates me.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:04

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Rurutia posted:

You spend $1800 on dinner every month, assuming no eating out? You regularly spend $200+ (on yourself only) on a night out? And this is normal productive adult spending? Am I reading this right?

Not trying to start poo poo, just really confused.

Well, I meant eating out the minimum I would pay per head is $60, the price of the game, and that happens reasonably frequently. If you go out for a night of drinking or whatever, spending 200 or 300 isn't particularly unusual. Basically the cost of the game is nothing compared to average entertainment spending, but that only applies if you have average adult entertainment spending and if you're eating ramen in a dorm then sure game out your 10% discount or whatever.

Here is the patch. HERE IS THE PATCH. ITS HERE

See above comments about how it's already good and HERE IS A PATCH

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:11

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

Man, the life of the upper middle class (or financially irresponsible) sounds so nice :sigh:

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:12

Rap Game Goku: Apr 2, 2008; Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs

The Human Crouton posted:

Wow. Only three weeks for a Firaxis patch. Gives me hope. Now to try it out as soon as it updates me.

Same, hoping those AI tweaks make things work less dumb.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:13

William Henry Hairytaint: Oct 29, 2011

I was expecting this closer to Christmas. Good on you, Firaxis. Sounds like a decent start to getting things ironed out.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:16

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

cerious posted:

Here lies the Scythian horse economy, 10/21/16 - 11/17/16, may it rest in peace

Good change.

quote:

No more FROM THE FIRST STIRRINGS OF LIFE BENEATH WATER anymore

Best Patch!

Though no regenerate map option

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:20

boar guy: Jan 25, 2007

sheesh, a 2 gig patch.

I guess people trying to win Culture victories are gonna need to build a lot more cities now, since they will need to accommodate all those Great People instead of turning them into military upgrades...

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:22

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Man, the life of the upper middle class (or financially irresponsible) sounds so nice

It's really not rocket science. Learn something in demand that you don't mind and go and make money. Notice how 'something in demand' comes first in the sentence before 'something you don't mind'. That doesn't mean you need to go and learn how to become an accountant, but if you keep marketability clear in your mind when choosing a profession you should have less chance of ending up disappointed.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:22

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

I was kinda hoping for at least one new leader, but over all sounds like massive improvements.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:23

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

Tony Montana posted:

It's really not rocket science. Learn something in demand that you don't mind and go and make money. Notice how 'something in demand' comes first in the sentence before 'something you don't mind'. That doesn't mean you need to go and learn how to become an accountant, but if you keep marketability clear in your mind when choosing a profession you should have less chance of ending up disappointed.

I was being ironic

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:25

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# ? May 15, 2024 08:51

General Morden: Mar 3, 2013; GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

Added an Industrial Barbarian Encampment.

???

were there different era barbarian encampments?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:32

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