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Main Paineframe posted:Is this really the state of civics education in our country? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States Feel free to enjoy the broad overview The only thing democrats can do to stop his policy is filibuster it in the senate, there is no other option. Doing so leads to a government shutdown. There is no other option to "fight as hard as you can fight" in the political system right now.
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Yes but Hillary's problem wasn't really her record, it was that she didn't have the charisma or authenticity to convince people she was going to run against it. Obama bailed out Wall Street and still got reelected on his sick nasty charm. Like the thesis here is that a candidate being good on policy is irrelevant if they sound good and people believe in them.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:43
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Lightning Knight posted:Yes but Hillary's problem wasn't really her record, it was that she didn't have the charisma or authenticity to convince people she was going to run against it. Obama bailed out Wall Street and still got reelected on his sick nasty charm. Obama's record was still miles better in 2012 than HRC's could ever hope to be. Reminder that she coined the term "superpredator".
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Nov 17, 2016 23:44
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Lightning Knight posted:Yes but Hillary's problem wasn't really her record, it was that she didn't have the charisma or authenticity to convince people she was going to run against it. Obama bailed out Wall Street and still got reelected on his sick nasty charm. Charm that booker lacks. Unless what you interpret from that video is that booker is charming, which would mean you're wrong
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Nov 17, 2016 23:44
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NewForumSoftware posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States Except Republicans can remove the filibuster if the Democrats put up too much of a fight. So you blow the Filibuster fighting Trump's lovely minimum-wage family leave plan and the media crows about how Democrats are so crazy they will oppose family leave just to be mean to our Saint Trump.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:45
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Trabisnikof posted:Trump is fundamentally different than W. The people surrounding him aren't
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NewForumSoftware posted:Obama's record was still miles better in 2012 than HRC's could ever hope to be. Reminder that she coined the term "superpredator". And she got away from it because a) the black community was actually on board when they were in that era and b) she had the credibility and authenticity with that community. She didn't have those things with her record on Wall Street. This isn't me saying we shouldn't have better policy. I'm just not convinced that policy is a meaningful part of the short term problem. Tight Booty Shorts posted:Charm that booker lacks. He certainly was at the DNC. And we're talking about charming to working class people in the Rust Belt, not polinerds on SA.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:46
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Trabisnikof posted:Except Republicans can remove the filibuster if the Democrats put up too much of a fight. So you blow the Filibuster fighting Trump's lovely minimum-wage family leave plan and the media crows about how Democrats are so crazy they will oppose family leave just to be mean to our Saint Trump. Alright but if they do that there's nothing we can do so it literally doesn't matter if you refuse to compromise. So in that case obviously I wouldn't say work with the guy who's just going to do what he wants anyways. But until the filibuster is removed I don't see any reason to pretend like there aren't options available. I'd like to know exactly how removing the filibuster would play out, do you have an article or anything?
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Trabisnikof posted:Except Republicans can remove the filibuster if the Democrats put up too much of a fight. So you blow the Filibuster fighting Trump's lovely minimum-wage family leave plan and the media crows about how Democrats are so crazy they will oppose family leave just to be mean to our Saint Trump. It's looking possible that the Republicans won't have enough votes to remove the filibuster, given that several Senate Republicans have come forward recently preemptively defending it, expecting that they'll be in the minority again one day.
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Lightning Knight posted:And she got away from it because a) the black community was actually on board when they were in that era and b) she had the credibility and authenticity with that community. She didn't have those things with her record on Wall Street. I am a working class person 
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Nov 17, 2016 23:47
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm going to repost this video, of economist Mark Blyth and political scientist Wendy Schiller discussing their professional opinions on what happened in this election and what will happen in the future. lmao 
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Nov 17, 2016 23:48
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The people surrounding him aren't Yes they are, that's what's crazy! W had all the scum Republicans kept around, Rummy and friends. But Rove is no Bannon and at least if W consulted with his family, that included a former president and a governor, not his kids who are also running the business.
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By the way Trump will have until like June to actually get things easily pushed through Congress at which point the 2018 midterm campaign unofficially begins.
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Fojar38 posted:Does this include "We're literally witnessing the dawn of the 4th Reich because my political opponents won an election and all of them are Nazis" on internet forums? That's not a bad narrative, but we'll just have to wait and see on whether or not its fictional. We should just state over and over that "Donald Trump hates working people", doesn't bring race or identity politics into it, people can fill in whatever conspiracy theory blank as to why he hates working people, make them defend accusations as quickly as we can make up reasons to accuse.
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Glazier posted:https://www.rga.org/ I am 95% sure that Thomas would tell bullshit nitpickery about citizenship to go gently caress itself, if nothing else. The only reason I am that uncertain is that it hasn't come up all that directly, BUT he did make a statement in an education related case to the effect of the Jurisdiction Clause applying to the kiddos of illegal immigrants.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:54
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Phone posted:lmao loving internet comments. She literally said Hillary was a weak candidate and went through a lot of what we have. But how dare the woman hog the mic. 
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Nov 18, 2016 00:03
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I challenge you to read the whole thing: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/
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Nov 18, 2016 00:04
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I challenge you to read the whole thing: It's crying wolf right up until it's incisors have ripped open your carotids. Then the wolf is real.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:06
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I challenge you to read the whole thing: I did. I think it's poorly reasoned. By the time he's down to point #13 he's almost entirely retreated into semantics and quibbling over the definition of the word "racism." Trump's ban on Muslims may not be "racism" (it is, "muslim" is a dogwhistle for "arab") but regardless it's bigotry and every argument against racism applies equally against bigotry. He's also almost absurdly over-literal in his parsing of Trump's statements, ignoring all context and connotation. There's a reason people get offended if you say "Hey, some Trump supporters, I'm sure, are good people." That reason is that you're implying that most of them aren't. The more interesting question is whether or not it's useful to call Trump and his policies and /or his supporters racist, and if so, to what extent it's useful and how.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:08
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I challenge you to read the whole thing: Is this like, the long-form argument o Donald going on CBS news over the weekend and telling minorities to not worry and also tell his racist supporters to stop being racists?
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Nov 18, 2016 00:10
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I did. I think it's poorly reasoned. By the time he's down to point #13 he's almost entirely retreated into semantics and quibbling over the definition of the word "racism." His denial of dogwhistles existing flies in the face of history as well. The Southern Strategy worked, and was not merely targeted only at the South and not only at Klansmen. He leans really heavily into the "your racism only counts if you wear a white hood to lynchings" fallacy. It's one thing if we're going to say that racism was used to fan economic discontent and vice versa, it's a whole other ballgame to flatly deny that racism mattered at all or that the Republicans weren't racist in the past to a degree that matters.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:16
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Sanders actually said he would hold Trump to his promises to protect Medicare and social security. This is good.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:17
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Trump isn't going to have any allies once he takes office. He has shown no loyalty to the few Republicans who supported him in the election (see Carson, Christie, and Gingrich), why would anyone step out to help him now.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:18
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Old James posted:Trump isn't going to have any allies once he takes office. He has shown no loyalty to the few Republicans who supported him in the election (see Carson, Christie, and Gingrich), why would anyone step out to help him now. Because, when the President of the United States calls and says "I want your advice bigly" it is hard to say no, especially to fellow Republicans.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I did. I think it's poorly reasoned. By the time he's down to point #13 he's almost entirely retreated into semantics and quibbling over the definition of the word "racism." Yea, thank you for articulating my thoughts bout this. Mind if I use some of your points on social media? I have some libertarian friends and family that are sharing this like it's all good.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:23
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Old James posted:Trump isn't going to have any allies once he takes office. He has shown no loyalty to the few Republicans who supported him in the election (see Carson, Christie, and Gingrich), why would anyone step out to help him now. I'm starting to think though that a lot of his main campaign people are not going to end up in the cabinet. So far the only one who has been appointed is Bannon.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:23
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Old James posted:Trump isn't going to have any allies once he takes office. He has shown no loyalty to the few Republicans who supported him in the election (see Carson, Christie, and Gingrich), why would anyone step out to help him now. I don't think he's going to have a lot of personal allies, but like Trump a lot of republicans in office campaigned on crazy poo poo like 'repeal obamacare' and 'law and order' and 'those drat muslims/hispanics/jews/blacks' and 'abortions are literally actually murdering babies' and all sorts of other crazy civil rights removing things. If those people don't follow through now someone even crazier will replace them later because tea party.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yea, thank you for articulating my thoughts bout this. Mind if I use some of your points on social media? I have some libertarian friends and family that are sharing this like it's all good. Please do.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:He offered Carson a job but he turned it down Appointed but not confirmed. The media is already focusing on how awful Bannon is and Republican Senators from more diverse districts might balk.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:He offered Carson a job but he turned it down I'm not positive about that. I could see Carson being offered a job he thought was below him, but to be polite to Trump gave his stupid answer to the press. Nothing to prove that, but still it's one more prominent Trump supporter left out of the administration.
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https://twitter.com/jrhennessy/status/799383504651853824
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Nov 18, 2016 00:28
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I legitimately didn't think he was that stupid. 
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Nov 18, 2016 00:29
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 forever if Ryan isn't constantly, worryingly aware that the deplorables view him as a RINO and a part of the swamp.
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Fojar38 posted:Appointed but not confirmed. The media is already focusing on how awful Bannon is and Republican Senators from more diverse districts might balk.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:36
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Quorum posted:
I'm starting to think that they think Trump is just Tea Party 2.0. and literally do not recognize the danger. 
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Nov 18, 2016 00:38
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FlamingLiberal posted:Does Bannon's position require confirmation? I didn't think WH Strategy advisor or whatever was one. I know Chief of Staff sure isn't. No, it doesn't.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Does Bannon's position require confirmation? I didn't think WH Strategy advisor or whatever was one. I know Chief of Staff sure isn't. Actually it doesn't, never mind.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:42
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It's like a wasp landing on a stinging nettle. Someones going to get stung and you don't care.
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gently caress, it's pretty sad to say this but he was probably the only intelligent member of the Trump inner circle. Crazy sure but at least intelligent, now we're left with crazy and stupid.
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