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Cat Mattress posted:Sarkozy For Prison 2016! Lock Him Up! Still i will wait for it to actually happen before celebrating.
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Well someone is probably betting Trump will damage America economy so much, liberating the spending could allow some countries to spend their money to attract fleeing American corporations, not help the citizens. Watch germany spend billions, moving COCA COLA HQ from Atlanta to Munich.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:50
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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MiddleOne posted:And then he announces his intent to reform the Holy Roman Empire. I'm on board.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:57
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https://twitter.com/carstenbrzeski/status/798987298306068481 It's exactly the same stuff they are preaching for years, but at least it made you guys feel good I guess.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:07
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MiddleOne posted:And then he announces his intent to reform the Holy Roman Empire. Interesting. Tell me more.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:20
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/carstenbrzeski/status/798987298306068481 No it's not - this is the first time that the Commission has called for a 'positive fiscal stance' overall in the Eurozone. The Commission and the Council have been calling on Germany to raise public investment for years, but not to increase its deficits. I'm afraid nothing much will come of it though because Germany's economists live in a fundamentally different intellectual universe, but maybe the election will help.
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Nov 17, 2016 09:05
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/carstenbrzeski/status/798987298306068481 Cant wait to see Wilders use this during Dutch election season going all ''we have to pay for lazy eastern/soutern europeans AGAIN!!!" and watch him gain another 20 seats in the polls.
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Nov 17, 2016 09:12
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Some light reading http://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/ejeep/13-2/ejeep.2016.02.06.xml
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Pluskut Tukker posted:No it's not - this is the first time that the Commission has called for a 'positive fiscal stance' overall in the Eurozone. The Commission and the Council have been calling on Germany to raise public investment for years, but not to increase its deficits. I'm afraid nothing much will come of it though because Germany's economists live in a fundamentally different intellectual universe, but maybe the election will help. Read the actual report here http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-3711_en.htm quote:From the perspective of the Commission, Member States in the Excessive Deficit Procedure and others still needing to progress towards their medium-term budgetary objective should continue to do so, as recommended to them. Member States with fiscal space should be encouraged to carry out a more expansionary fiscal policy, including by making full use of the tools of the Investment Plan for Europe in order to maximise the impact on the real economy, such as guarantees to the European Fund for Strategic Investments. Or read the Annex that details what the EC wants every country to do here http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/economic_governance/sgp/pdf/dbp/2016/communication_to_euro_area_member_states_2016_dbp_annex_en.pdf This is nothing new, even if some guy of Twitter wants you to believe that it is.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:No it's not - this is the first time that the Commission has called for a 'positive fiscal stance' overall in the Eurozone. The Commission and the Council have been calling on Germany to raise public investment for years, but not to increase its deficits. I'm afraid nothing much will come of it though because Germany's economists live in a fundamentally different intellectual universe, but maybe the election will help. Let's hope not. After having our countries hosed by these policies for almost a decade now I bet I'm not the only one in the south that wants "austerity for everyone, forever" if only to wipe the smug of the northerners that spent the last years telling us "having hospitals or schools is above your means, deal with it". Everyone should get the full austerity experience, see how they like it. See how true the "there is no other way" adage is. Not very it seems, once it starts affecting "people that matter".
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MeLKoR posted:Let's hope not. After having our countries hosed by these policies for almost a decade now I bet I'm not the only one in the south that wants "austerity for everyone, forever" if only to wipe the smug of the northerners that spent the last years telling us "having hospitals or schools is above your means, deal with it". Everyone should get the full austerity experience, see how they like it. See how true the "there is no other way" adage is. Not very it seems, once it starts affecting "people that matter".
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Everyone has had austerity, Northern economies are just fundamentally more compatible with that of Germany so No friend, "all of us" didn't "have austerity". Austerity is going to the hospital and dying in a stretcher after 20 hours because having neurosurgeons during the weekend is "above our means".
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MeLKoR posted:No friend, "all of us" didn't "have austerity". Austerity is going to the hospital and dying in a stretcher after 20 hours because having neurosurgeons during the weekend is "above our means".
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Nov 17, 2016 17:17
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Austerity is cutting spending (generally services and welfare) in the name of a budget surplus/balance. That we started at a higher level and have sounder economies just means it hasn't dipped anywhere near as bad as it has in the south. I'm sorry but saying that you had austerity is like a billionaire saying "I'm starving". Yeah... you had cuts but those cuts didn't really cause people to die, abandon school, or leave the country in droves because there is zero hope of a better future. And having to listen to foreigners telling you that you have been "living the life" and "there is no alternative" on top of that really didn't help swallowing it down.
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Nov 17, 2016 17:22
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I don't think our economies where sounder, or that the southern economies where that unsound, they where just driven by domestic consumption rather than exports. And the euro forces everyone in it to basically become an export economy. As per the link I posted earlier.
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Nov 17, 2016 17:27
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MeLKoR posted:I'm sorry but saying that you had austerity is like a billionaire saying "I'm starving". Yeah... you had cuts but those cuts didn't really cause people to die, abandon school His Divine Shadow posted:I don't think our economies where sounder, or that the southern economies where that unsound, they where just driven by domestic consumption rather than exports. And the euro forces everyone in it to basically become an export economy. As per the link I posted earlier.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I wrote "have sounder", not "had sounder". I had a reply and all, but honestly I am just really confused at this so I deleted it. Best I can tell, have/had... It doesn't make a difference, our economies where/are export driven, the souths where/are domestic demand economies. One type works in the eurozone better (though none work well).
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His Divine Shadow posted:I had a reply and all, but honestly I am just really confused at this so I deleted it. Best I can tell, have/had... It doesn't make a difference, our economies where/are export driven, the souths where/are domestic demand economies. One type works in the eurozone better (though none work well).
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Nov 17, 2016 18:00
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Merkel apparently announced that because to Trump, TTIP is loving dead. Hail Satan.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What I mean is, the economies of the south are clearly not sound within the current expression of the logic of the Eurozone. That this might very well have more to do with the logic of the Eurozone being unsound is another matter entirely, the mismatch is still largely being felt in the south rather than the in the core of the EU. OK we're on the same page then.
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Nov 17, 2016 18:24
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There is only one single person that can save the world and why the gently caress does it have to be Merkel?! I'm looking at you Justin Trudeau you juvenile little brat.
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Nov 17, 2016 18:45
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The irony of Melkor complaining about Northern Europe "not experiencing austerity" while his government expects a bailout from countries with GDP per capita under 10,000 euros in Eastern Europe. Yeah those guys really need to pay for your hospitals and teachers. All these Portuguese dying prematurely because of a lack of hospitals (= same life expectancy as Finland and Germany, who are also expected to pay for your spending).
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Geriatric Pirate posted:The irony of Melkor complaining about Northern Europe "not experiencing austerity" while his government expects a bailout from countries with GDP per capita under 10,000 euros in Eastern Europe. Yes, all of this is very ironic. A great jape really, but ask for me tomorrow and you shall find me a grave man. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Nov 17, 2016 19:08
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:There is only one single person that can save the world and why the gently caress does it have to be Merkel?! I'm looking at you Justin Trudeau you juvenile little brat.
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Nov 17, 2016 19:45
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GaussianCopula posted:Read the actual report here http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-3711_en.htm Dude, I did read the Annual Growth Surveys for the previous years, as well as a bunch of the Country-Specific Recommendations detailing what the Commission and Council want member states to do. This year's call for a positive fiscal stance is a change in comparison to previous years. You can find the AGS's here if you don't believe me.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:The irony of Melkor complaining about Northern Europe "not experiencing austerity" while his government expects a bailout from countries with GDP per capita under 10,000 euros in Eastern Europe. Biggest economic growth in the eu last quarter bitch,we'll be bailing YOU out next. And all we had to do was become the retirement home of europe So easy bing bing bong
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That Obama is anointing Angela "Schaüble is in my government" Merkel as the last hope of western civilization against populism is very funny, given how Angela "the entire continent must submit to deflationary austerity" Merkel is largely responsible for so many European countries being tempted by populism.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:12
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Think about is this way though: It's so much harder to go from absurdly opulent to very rich than from starving to dead. I hope I made you think. 
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Nov 17, 2016 21:16
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Not to mention that Schaüble is, essentially, a populist, just one that appeals to a different kind of national pride than what most other modern examples of populists do.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:16
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For the non-Germans, it's Schäuble. And Greece grew unexpectedly this quarter? It's at least a small glimmer of hope that things might get better, despite austerity.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:29
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It's actually the French's fault for creating the Euro and forcing it on everybody
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Nov 17, 2016 21:31
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caps on caps on caps posted:It's actually the French's fault for creating the Euro and forcing it on everybody 
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caps on caps on caps posted:It's actually the French's fault for creating the Euro and forcing it on everybody it's Kohl's fault actually, he could have said Nein (and skip the Wiedervereiningung, too!)
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Nov 18, 2016 10:02
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throw to first drat IT posted:Merkel apparently announced that because to Trump, TTIP is loving dead. Hail Satan. Seeing same reports in local news now. Hail orange satan?
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Nov 18, 2016 11:45
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His Divine Shadow posted:Seeing same reports in local news now. Hail orange satan? It was most likely already dead even before his election.
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Torrannor posted:It was most likely already dead even before his election. but let's blame the far right for it, sure.  If it's just to explain the american people why it failed without telling the true.
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Wasn't TTIP terrible?
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