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Lockback posted:Kat is playing 35 minutes a game, which is less than Anthony Davis (who has an injury history) and as many as Durant of Giannis did last year, but no one talks about those guys minutes. Marc Gasol played 34.5 last year and is 11 years older and probably 25 lbs heavier. I'd like KAT's minutes a little less, but Thibs IS in line with what other coaches are doing, but that has nothing to do with criticism in today's world. Just say stuff, ignore reality. It's not in line with what other good coaches are doing. Take a look at the leaders in minutes per game among Centers over the last half decade or so. It's a who's who in guys with injury problems. Gasol missed the second half of last season with a broken foot. Not sure he'd be the go-to example of a big guy handling big minutes in today's NBA. Lockback posted:Wiggins is playing less minutes than like a half dozen other wings so I don't know how to even start there. I said I don't mind it as much for wings. I think it's a dumb strategy as you go into the playoffs against good teams who have more rested players. I don't think it was a coincidence that many of Thibs playoff teams were riddled with injuries and gassed come playoff time here. And you're not arguing with me about this. You're arguing with coaches like Popovich and Kerr who feel this stuff matters. I guess they'll continue to ignore "reality" too.
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Niwrad posted:It's not in line with what other good coaches are doing. Take a look at the leaders in minutes per game among Centers over the last half decade or so. It's a who's who in guys with injury problems. Looks like Pop played Duncan similar minutes until he got old? http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/215/tim-duncan
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Adun posted:Looks like Pop played Duncan similar minutes until he got old? lol owned
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Pop also thought threes weren't worth shooting and Bruce Bowen should be in the league, he's not infallible
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Paul Zuvella posted:Steph Curry literally looks like a child so this makes sense. How does Ayesha look at herself in the mirror.
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It also seems wrong to compare teams that are obviously conserving players for long runs in the playoffs vs. young teams with a new head coach trying to teach his system
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https://www.google.com/#q=thibodeau+quote+minutes About 605,000 results (0.64 seconds) Thibs' minutes distribution has been called into question for years now, and I seem to remember those most stories about it in 2014 and I do believe Thibs offered up a fair amount of pushback quotes that seemed to take offense and deny it was a problem. Basically "Jordan did it so it's okay" and "you need to work hard ALL the time" and some things that didn't exactly deny the problem. BUT at the time the Bulls front office was busy talking poo poo about him nonstop because that relationship was ending. I never personally saw a firm conclusion as to the extent of the problem, but it really does seem like the Bulls training staff wasn't exactly competent so they may not have been giving him the best modern sports science advice. Everything I've read about him seems to indicate that he's a an oldschool hardass workaholic who puts in endless minutes himself and expects his players to be the same.
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People always focus on that extra 3-4 minutes in a game because that's what they see but it seems like the workload/rest between games is a much bigger factor in injury risk. I don't think Thibs is doing anything wrong with his rotations.
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nachos posted:People always focus on that extra 3-4 minutes in a game because that's what they see but it seems like the workload/rest between games is a much bigger factor in injury risk. I don't think Thibs is doing anything wrong with his rotations. Yeah, that was one of his responses. Kind of "you don't know what we're doing in practice!" But the problem with that is he's Tom Thibodeau which means he's probably working them really hard in practice. edit: accidentally used Thom Bombadilleaux spelling EvanTH fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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When I commented yesterday on thibs, I was talking about him playing his starters heavy minutes in blowouts If you need 40 minutes to win a single game fine, but when you're up by 30-40 most of the time, I think that's time better spent working in the bench for experience
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Cool Buff Man posted:Honestly he is most likely very upset that the team is doing well without him so he's going to become locker room AIDS at any moment and become completely ostracized, it's a pattern Sounds like an alpha move tbh
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Time posted:I haven't been able to watch sixers games at all recently. From box scores embiid looks like a typical young big who has potential. Has he been doing some cool highlight poo poo? Every single game.
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Tae posted:When I commented yesterday on thibs, I was talking about him playing his starters heavy minutes in blowouts Yeah that was my (admittedly somewhat flippant) point in posting it. 38 mins a game is fine, but playing that many in a huge blowout seemed a bit odd.
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Time posted:I haven't been able to watch sixers games at all recently. From box scores embiid looks like a typical young big who has potential. Has he been doing some cool highlight poo poo? Yeah he's really good Last night thibs just smothered him tho
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Tae posted:When I commented yesterday on thibs, I was talking about him playing his starters heavy minutes in blowouts Timberwolves games have all been really close. Last night he wanted his starters to finish the game because they haven't been able to finish all season. He played guys somewhat long minutes 1 time and everyone immediately starts the tired narrative that doesn't fit the other 10 games at all. Niwrad posted:And you're not arguing with me about this. You're arguing with coaches like Popovich and Kerr who feel this stuff matters. I guess they'll continue to ignore "reality" too. Last year Draymond Green played less than a minute less than KAT is playing this year, so no. I'm not arguing with them either, Kerr is perfectly fine with young centers playing 35 minutes per game. I'm arguing with people who are arguing against reality. Paul Zuvella posted:The problem with those bulls teams was that you have Deng/Rose playing 37-40 MPG and he was not taking them out when they had no reason to play. Deng did play big minutes, but didn't really have injury problems. Rose played 1 season @ 37 minutes per game (which was the less than guys like Eric Gordon, Deron Williams, and John Wall) and the rest of the time he averaged under 36. Rose's injuries had nothing to do with minutes played, his knees were just messed. Noah probably should have played less minutes in 2 of the 5 seasons Thibs coached him. I think that has a lot more to do with how Noah plays, and KAT seems like he's built a lot better to withstand more games.
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Lockback posted:Last year Draymond Green played less than a minute less than KAT is playing this year, so no. I'm not arguing with them either, Kerr is perfectly fine with young centers playing 35 minutes per game. I'm arguing with people who are arguing against reality. Draymond is 6'6. KAT is 7'. 7-footers are much more prone to injury. Lockback posted:Timberwolves games have all been really close. Last night he wanted his starters to finish the game because they haven't been able to finish all season. He played guys somewhat long minutes 1 time and everyone immediately starts the tired narrative that doesn't fit the other 10 games at all. No, this wasn't some exception. He played Bulls starters deep in blowouts all the time. This is the norm.
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Niwrad posted:https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/799605513591947264 They feast. Also, ESPN with the deep dive into the Cuban/Parsons bromance, because... poo poo, I have no idea why. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18059446/chandler-parsons-mark-cuban-bromance-threatened-mavericks
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Jack's Flow posted:They feast. quote:As the booze flowed, Cuban made joking low-ball offers, Parsons chuckled at them, and they eventually moved on. When it was almost time to make the short trip back to the Skirvin Hotel, Cuban was settling up the tab and posing for pictures with some of the wait staff, while the taxi the club's management had called for the owner idled in the alley out back. really digging parsons here
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euphronius posted:I feel like we've been talking about thibs playing time issues for decades. That's what I was sayin'! It never got even close to resolved, partially (mostly?) because of the nonsense surrounding the Bulls front office and their media relations. Chicago posters could probably talk a bit more about the why and how of that, but I got the impression they were siding with Thibs and finding the minutes thing to be a bit of a called-hit on him by his bosses?
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This was mentioned yesterday, but, hey, a twitter link! https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/799690411543560192
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I wonder if owners could funnel more money to players by offering a beverage contract to a player's branded beverage at the arena.
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Watching Wiggins and Embiid laughing and talking during a foul shot warmed my Jayheart.
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Jack's Flow posted:They feast. It's because tonight is the first game Parsons plays in Dallas since leaving. Cuban should be too old to be going clubbing like the article describes. edit: "At one point, Parsons pitched his boss on something bold: Say farewell to high-scoring free agent Monta Ellis, who clashed with Parsons and wore out his welcome with many in the Mavs organization" I knew Parsons was behind this. Crazy that MacMahon is still throwing shade at Monta. (Multiple other reliable Mavs reporters have claimed that McMahon's claims regarding Monta wearing out his welcome/being an issue are false.) It's especially funny when you consider Parsons isn't on the team and Monta is EXACTLY the type of player the Mavs have needed this season. While you can't blame him for getting injured and not living up to his deal on the court, I'd argue running Monta out of town is worth booing him. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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I'm legit excited to watch Devin Booker kill the Pacers tonight. He's fun as hell to watch.
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Spacebump posted:It's because tonight is the first game Parsons plays in Dallas since leaving. The Seth Curry Show is going to be interesting
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Spacebump posted:It's especially funny when you consider Parsons isn't on the team and Monta is EXACTLY the type of player the Mavs have needed this season. A healthy body....?
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Paul Zuvella posted:Joel Embiid is the most self aware human being on the planet and I love it
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Adun posted:Looks like Pop played Duncan similar minutes until he got old? I don't think 28 is old and yes Pop played guys a lot of minutes until the science came in. Kawhi doesn't average 38 minutes despite the Spurs not having a real SF to replace him. Pop seems to think 33-34 minutes is what players should be averaging. I'm sure that would change a bit if it was a one man team like in New Orleans but rest is important to him.
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Tae posted:A healthy body....? A guard that can drive/penetrate. Also, a player that can score points.
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https://instagram.com/p/BM9zDz6jjrp/ proclick
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https://twitter.com/Con_Chron/status/799725210807267329 If someone would like to buy me a Christmas gift.....
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25 dunks on 187 . . . law and order dunks on murder.
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 Did LAC change its name from "Los Angeles Clippers" to "LA Clippers" while I wasn't looking. Personally I think they should go with "LA Clippers of Los Angeles" Dunking on dudes followed by taunting is my poo poo but iunno this one makes me feel weird. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Metapod posted:https://twitter.com/Con_Chron/status/799725210807267329 Lol thats not very nice like jerry rice
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