Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
Lena Dunham is better than Jeff Dunham but only barely.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
Hey what is Sander's stance re: Inflation? Because we are going to get Inflation right about the same time the Republicans agree to raise the minimum to $15/hr so Trump looks like he's keeping working class promises (and because they know inflation is coming, in a big way).

Inflation is going to make $15/hr irrelevant, though. Bernie is going to get screwed here, along with the working class.

Any min wage increase enacted over the next four year must be pegged to inflation or it will be meaningless.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 18:24 on Nov 18, 2016

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

tower time posted:

Hell, a huge part of labor I don't see anyone mention often unpaid internships. They drive down the price of labor, primarily benefit people who are already well-off enough to be able to work for long periods without pay, and have otherwise eliminated a lot of entry level positions at large companies. Move the Democrats toward banning unpaid internships in any for-profit situation and I bet that would motivate voters in the 18-30 range just as much as forgiveness of college debt.

What did the most recent ban on unpaid internships get? Just the concept that the internship has to be "educational" in order for it to be unpaid?

While we're on young people, I'd love to see a national cap on how college coaches can be compensated and pay college athletes at least work-study wages (outside of banning college sports other than for club sports reasons, but that will never happen).

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Berious posted:

She repeatedly molested her sister and faced zero consequences except some twitter snark. If the dems want their message to be popular they probably shouldn't choose unrepentant child molesters to deliver it

:ssh: if she were actually legally or morally culpable, her lawyers wouldn't have let her publish it. the fact that she didn't realize that actually writing that was going to be unpopular is why she's hard to like

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Joe Liebermans of the nation be gone.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Al! posted:

what about lenin

he'd just die 5~ years in an his successors would gently caress everything up

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

tadashi posted:

This is certainly problem #1. It sounds cliche to talk about the bourgeois but it's a very real problem and people get class envy where they want to look like and sound like their financial superiors even while they're burying themselves in a lifetime of debt and loving over their childrens' financial security in the future.

So, how the hell do you we even start to get that to change?

Memes & media. I'm serious. You have to culturally confront people with their own servile position in an oppressive hierarchy. Then, more than that, you have to offer them a way out into a better future.

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014

comingafteryouall posted:

I had to briefly read up on Allende to remember which military junta deposed him. All of that history starts to blend together unless you've been reading about it recently.

Please dear god don't let our democracy devolve into South American 20th century politics.

:argh:

Pinocheeeeet!!! Nixooooon!!!

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013

Mike Pompeo for CIA? Sure sounds great...

quote:

Congress should pass a law re-establishing collection of all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database. Legal and bureaucratic impediments to surveillance should be removed. That includes Presidential Policy Directive-28, which bestows privacy rights on foreigners and imposes burdensome requirements to justify data collection.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/time-for-a-rigorous-national-debate-about-surveillance-1451856106

I mean, could be worse and be the NSA pick I guess? On the other hands he wants due process for Snowden, so that's cool:

quote:

"He should be brought back from Russia and given due process, and I think the proper outcome would be that he would be given a death sentence," he said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lawmaker-traitor-snowden-deserves-death-penalty/article/2583023

Oh uh, due process with his predetermined conclusion. Cool. Sure is comforting how little the democrats did to reel in the surveillance state..

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

theflyingexecutive posted:

:ssh: if she were actually legally or morally culpable, her lawyers wouldn't have let her publish it. the fact that she didn't realize that actually writing that was going to be unpopular is why she's hard to like

What's insane is that the embarrassing musical video was an actual storyline on Girls and Dunham went ahead and did it anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFEaJRnPeU

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Al! posted:

what about lenin

Despite Homework Explainer's best efforts, resurrection of dead Soviet leaders remains unfeasible.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Concerned Citizen posted:

I don't see how this is remotely true. He's done basically nothing.

He's done more then Hillary.

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


tadashi posted:

What did the most recent ban on unpaid internships get? Just the concept that the internship has to be "educational" in order for it to be unpaid?

While we're on young people, I'd love to see a national cap on how college coaches can be compensated and pay college athletes at least work-study wages (outside of banning college sports other than for club sports reasons, but that will never happen).

Ok now this thread is starting to move into my domain.

NCAA sports is a really good thing that has been corrupted by advertising money, club sports have a different goal.

NCAA sports should be about demanding excellence from student-athletes and focused on teaching them life lessons. It's different than the classroom, emotions are higher and teamwork is really emphasized. Right now, the Division I level is focused on generating more ad revenue and everything else is taking a back seat, which is a shame. At the Division III level (non-scholarship), NCAA sports still work really well and provide a great opportunity to grow for tons of students.

So I'd agree with you about pay caps and compensation for student-athletes, but would totally fight you tooth and nail on banning sports other than club sports.

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Memes & media. I'm serious. You have to culturally confront people with their own servile position in an oppressive hierarchy. Then, more than that, you have to offer them a way out into a better future.

Will the memes be dank? I hope they are dank.

Schnorkles
Apr 30, 2015

It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.

Berious posted:

Will the memes be dank? I hope they are dank.

time to draft some league of legends streamers for progressive causes

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

tower time posted:

Hell, a huge part of labor I don't see anyone mention often unpaid internships. They drive down the price of labor, primarily benefit people who are already well-off enough to be able to work for long periods without pay, and have otherwise eliminated a lot of entry level positions at large companies. Move the Democrats toward banning unpaid internships in any for-profit situation and I bet that would motivate voters in the 18-30 range just as much as forgiveness of college debt.

a significant amount of the government especially at the local level relies on unpaid internships to function so this won't ever happen unfortunately

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




Yeah, I plan to start attending meetings as soon as I am able. My father just had a hip replaced and needs to be watched at all times. For the moment I am limited to calling offices and stuff.

The last time I really went to a meeting to argue with the local dems was when the city council got the genius idea to buy a casino.

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




Fullhouse posted:

a significant amount of the government especially at the local level relies on unpaid internships to function so this won't ever happen unfortunately

I'm fine with government and non-profit unpaid internships, but any business that exists to make a profit it should be illegal for. Banks don't need unpaid employees.

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

LegoPirateNinja posted:

Hey what is Sander's stance re: Inflation? Because we are going to get Inflation right about the same time the Republicans agree to raise the minimum to $15/hr so Trump looks like he's keeping working class promises (and because they know inflation is coming, in a big way).

Inflation is going to make $15/hr irrelevant, though. Bernie is going to get screwed here, along with the working class.

Any min wage increase enacted over the next four year must be pegged to inflation or it will be meaningless.

If $15 an hour becomes unlivable (in rural areas) in four years, then we've got bigger problems then minimum wage.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

My Linux Rig posted:

If $15 an hour becomes unlivable (in rural areas) in four years, then we've got bigger problems then minimum wage.

True, but it's just common sense to peg minimum wage to inflation.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

loquacius posted:

Message received, shutting the gently caress up :tipshat:

lol this is such a microcosm of the whole election

time to maga

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Powercrazy posted:

True, but it's just common sense to peg minimum wage to inflation.

And re-couple the tipped wage to at least half of minimum.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

LegoPirateNinja posted:

Hey what is Sander's stance re: Inflation? Because we are going to get Inflation right about the same time the Republicans agree to raise the minimum to $15/hr so Trump looks like he's keeping working class promises (and because they know inflation is coming, in a big way).

Inflation is going to make $15/hr irrelevant, though. Bernie is going to get screwed here, along with the working class.

Any min wage increase enacted over the next four year must be pegged to inflation or it will be meaningless.

business republicans want inflation to be as close to zero as possible so i'm guessin it'll stay that way

until they gently caress it up and we enter a deflationary spiral b/c trump doesn't understand why deflation is anything other than good for the rich

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
so i know sessions really hates weed, but surely a man of the party of small government is going to respect states rights

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Baloogan posted:

lol this is such a microcosm of the whole election

time to maga

Make America Good Again

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

LegoPirateNinja posted:

Hey what is Sander's stance re: Inflation? Because we are going to get Inflation right about the same time the Republicans agree to raise the minimum to $15/hr so Trump looks like he's keeping working class promises (and because they know inflation is coming, in a big way).

Inflation is going to make $15/hr irrelevant, though. Bernie is going to get screwed here, along with the working class.

Any min wage increase enacted over the next four year must be pegged to inflation or it will be meaningless.

when neoliberals dog whistle about inflation they are actually talking about rising labor costs :ssh:

inflation is actually driven by increase in economic rent and higher pricing of goods and services (profit extraction)

cheers

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Pomp posted:

so i know sessions really hates weed, but surely a man of the party of small government is going to respect states rights

Boston thread had a collective breakdown about this earlier today, we're all worried our legal weed party is gonna be over before it starts

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Schnorkles posted:

time to draft some league of legends streamers for progressive causes

Sky is great for intersectionality

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Top City Homo posted:

when neoliberals dog whistle about inflation they are actually talking about rising labor costs :ssh:

inflation is actually driven by increase in economic rent and higher pricing of goods and services (profit extraction)

cheers

Yeah, price inflation won't be perfectly proportional to increased labor costs, because there are more factors in production than labor. A minimum wage increase will always increase the purchasing power of laborers.

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

haha legal weed is done for, you don't think Trump and his buddies won't be giddy at raining on the coastal legal weed parade? bunch of unemployed democrats as far as they're concerned.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

comingafteryouall posted:

NCAA sports should be about demanding excellence from student-athletes and focused on teaching them life lessons. It's different than the classroom, emotions are higher and teamwork is really emphasized.

this is always a funny argument for higher education


you know, when it properly belongs in a discussion about middle school or high school sports programs

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
Cal will #calexit over that poo poo if he tries

You can :rip: my bong :rip:s from my cold dead hands :rip:

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

crazy cloud posted:

Cal will #calexit over that poo poo if he tries

You can :rip: my bong :rip:s from my cold dead hands :rip:

Oh well, I'm sure that no one in the Republican party has been dreaming about sending the army into California to murder hippies restore order since 1981 or anything.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

LegoPirateNinja posted:

Hey what is Sander's stance re: Inflation? Because we are going to get Inflation right about the same time the Republicans agree to raise the minimum to $15/hr so Trump looks like he's keeping working class promises (and because they know inflation is coming, in a big way).

Inflation is going to make $15/hr irrelevant, though. Bernie is going to get screwed here, along with the working class.

Any min wage increase enacted over the next four year must be pegged to inflation or it will be meaningless.

Trump isn't going to raise the minimum wage, Jesus Christ.

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


H.P. Hovercraft posted:

this is always a funny argument for higher education


you know, when it properly belongs in a discussion about middle school or high school sports programs

lol sorry you weren't good at sports nerd.

poo poo has been part of higher education for a long rear end time now.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

comingafteryouall posted:

lol sorry you weren't good at sports nerd.

poo poo has been part of higher education for a long rear end time now.

i was on tennis team, the bougiest of sports after hockey


the point is that that argument is laughable when you're talkin about the same institution that hands out PHDs

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

it is really hosed up that university presidents and football coaches are the highest paid public employees in nearly every state but athletes get nothing besides a scholarship that'll be worth a lot less if we ever actually institute free college

not to mention the hilarious ratio of administrators and support staff to actual instructors at most schools and grad assistants being hideously underpaid almost everywhere among like a dozen other things why is college so busted

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i was on tennis team, the bougiest of sports after hockey


the point is that that argument is laughable when you're talkin about the same institution that hands out PHDs

You forget lacrosse

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

iospace posted:

And re-couple the tipped wage to at least half of minimum.

Nope. Tips are extra and illegal to considered in any way, by your employer for wage calculations.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/799668183351357440

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/799668392139444224

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/799668643105644545

  • Locked thread