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hito: Feb 13, 2012; Thank you, kids. By giving us this lift you're giving a lift to every law-abiding citizen in the world.

LogicNinja posted:

Help!

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/LogicNinja/LogicNinja.txt

I got this Vine Stalker to Depths, but gold dragons are kicking my rear end. The Arc Blade carried me through most of the game but I don't have a lot of good resist gear (despite buying a bajillion shops) and I haven't found any long blades better than a great sword to swap to for damage.

I need to double down on something offensive before it's too late but I'm not sure what it should be. Long blades? Conjurations?

Have you found Agony? With that Necro manual it could do pretty well for you.

Also 10 fighting is pretty darn low for Depths my dude!

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:46

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Mystery Prize posted:

Is there an up-to-date list of Demonspawn mutations anywhere? the wiki is horribly out of date

The list in the codebase is as close as you'll get, I suspect.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 04:42

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

I have gotten 14 runes. Done 11 floors of a zig.

There are three ego robes in the entire game, and two mediocre artifact robes.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 08:27

I am Otis: Sep 22, 2003

Haifisch posted:

I have gotten 14 runes. Done 11 floors of a zig.

There are three ego robes in the entire game, and two mediocre artifact robes.

My last game I escaped w 5 runes and the game spawned one pair of boots. My next game I had seen 7 pair by d4.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 08:30

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

My last DsCK win found six different artifact helmets, no decent gloves or boots.

I had horns.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 08:53

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

I found one ego robe in Tartarus before I won. It was +2 rN. It tried.

But I got Vow of Courage 3, so I can end tournament happy.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 09:08

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Just had my lowest turncount ever!

66515 turns with a DsMo of Qazlal. 5 runes and I even did Elf and Crypt. I had Claws 3 and Powered by Death 3 by something ridiculous like XL7 or 9. So I just dumped most XP into UC and Invoc to start.

There was a trove that wanted 17 of my 19 curing potions, but I figured nah, I'd just win.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 09:37

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/players/dynast.html

Oh god look at what broke the streak

# ? Nov 18, 2016 10:14

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

tote up a bags posted:

http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/players/dynast.html

Oh god look at what broke the streak

To be entirely fair, after ascending a TrWa^J in a streak, there's really nowhere to but down. (OgWa^X?)

Edit Now that their streak is broken, they can go for the suicide mission banners? (Lord of Darkness 3, Ascetic 3, etc)

Maybe? :shrug:

It's not like your winrate's gonna be carved on your gravestone.

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Nov 18, 2016

# ? Nov 18, 2016 10:22

Superterranean: May 3, 2005; after we lit this one, nothing was ever the same

waaah waaah my trunk game is crashing on load. "short read while reading save", it says.

Is that run over?

edit: this is on CBRO, as Superterranean.

Superterranean fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Nov 18, 2016

# ? Nov 18, 2016 10:36

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

hito posted:

Have you found Agony? With that Necro manual it could do pretty well for you.

Also 10 fighting is pretty darn low for Depths my dude!

I have not. And yeah it is, but it won't really help me kill gold dragons!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 10:54

Cynic Jester: Apr 11, 2009; Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

My NaMo drank the purple on D1 and got poison cloud. It is so good. I just know I'll gently caress this up.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 11:42

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Cynic Jester posted:

My NaMo drank the purple on D1 and got poison cloud. It is so good. I just know I'll gently caress this up.

Ctrl+S, go into your RC file, and do a force_more for everything threatening.

I've only got two days left to get in a win, and I work both of them. drat. Well, Devlan got two wins for our team! :toot:

Edit Putting together a --more-- list of monsters I always need to be careful around, because I die to tabbing so much.

code:

#Will force-more every time the listed monsters do anything.
#Monsters are listed for being nontrivial no matter XL.
#For the less annoying version, add "* into view" to each line
force_more_message += shining eye
force_more_message += entropic weaver
force_more_message += flayed ghost
force_more_message += sphinx
force_more_message += neqoxec
force_more_message += 's ghost * Dr

Specifically aiming for things dangerous no matter XL. Drac player ghost, malmutate, etc. Anything obvious I'm missing?

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Nov 18, 2016

# ? Nov 18, 2016 11:48

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

Triggering on every action they take seems like overkill. The only things I have on constant force more for combat (not just 'comes into view' or god/evolve/etc events) are successful malmuts, exhaustion ending, death door warnings, sap magic, getting marked, miasma/calcifying clouds and huge damage notifications. That last one is usually more than enough to slow down overtabbing. Forcing more every time a demonspawn warmonger or death drake did anything would be really annoying, it's enough to trigger when they do the one action that causes problems.

All player ghosts, distortion users, orbs of fire, cacodemons, vault sentinels and everything with torment/agony could potentially be added to that list though.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 12:42

Ugly John: Jul 18, 2009; [img]https://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=514899866[/img]

Poison Mushroom posted:

Ctrl+S, go into your RC file, and do a force_more for everything threatening.

I've only got two days left to get in a win, and I work both of them. drat. Well, Devlan got two wins for our team!

I'm glad someone has, 'cause I'm having the worst run of it :bang:

# ? Nov 18, 2016 15:08

World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

In a Bailey on a GhFi going for Brute Force 3:

code:

G - the +7 gold dragon scales "Rioxtad" (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ Str-2 Int+6 Dex+3 SInv}

Yeah, that will do.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 15:15

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Assssssssssssssss

I had it all. Green draconian monk of qazlal. Got a +4 ring of protection, and amulet of reflection on floor 2. Got the transmutation books I needed. Had lots of gold, had the easiest ossuary with tons of potions and scrolls. Then I got careless in the orcish mines and ate 2x10^3 smites. Tunnels really mess up the qazlaling.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:15

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Is it possible for people to take high level chars and suicide them on earlier floors just to leave ridiculously annoying ghosts behind because that demonspawn assassin ghost was a bastard.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:19

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

I still think this is one of the more unfair "no chance to act" things in the game:

code:

You open the door.
 Found a mace.
 A deep elf mage and Louise come into view.
 Louise is wielding a hand axe of electrocution.
 Louise shouts!
 Louise gestures at you while chanting.
 You are cast into the Abyss!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:30

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Is it possible for people to take high level chars and suicide them on earlier floors just to leave ridiculously annoying ghosts behind because that demonspawn assassin ghost was a bastard.

paging LogicNinja, LogicNinja, please report to the thread

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:31

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Superterranean posted:

waaah waaah my trunk game is crashing on load. "short read while reading save", it says.

Is that run over?

edit: this is on CBRO, as Superterranean.

Sorry, someone (for once, not me!) broke save compat for all trunk saves last night. I'm fixing it now.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 16:32

Superterranean: May 3, 2005; after we lit this one, nothing was ever the same

PleasingFungus posted:

Sorry, someone (for once, not me!) broke save compat for all trunk saves last night. I'm fixing it now.

thanks Mr Fungus!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 17:03

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

Araganzar posted:

I still think this is one of the more unfair "no chance to act" things in the game:

code:

You open the door.
 Found a mace.
 A deep elf mage and Louise come into view.
 Louise is wielding a hand axe of electrocution.
 Louise shouts!
 Louise gestures at you while chanting.
 You are cast into the Abyss!

Your chance to act is being sure to wear MR+ gear. I can't say if that's fair or not.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 17:11

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

If a trove asks for an item, say a +3 demon blade, can you give it a randart that is at least a +3 demon blade? (Or an unrand, for that matter, if I wanted to give it Leech.)

# ? Nov 18, 2016 17:47

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Is it possible for people to take high level chars and suicide them on earlier floors just to leave ridiculously annoying ghosts behind because that demonspawn assassin ghost was a bastard.

Yes, but ghosts will only show up in more than one game if the player dies on the same floor as them. So trying to troll people with high level ghosts doesn't work since its so easy to get rid of them without actually fighting them.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 17:57

dpeg: Jul 18, 2008; As far as I see it, you should never go to SA to look out for useful feedback or even interesting ideas; I certainly don't

Prism posted:

If a trove asks for an item, say a +3 demon blade, can you give it a randart that is at least a +3 demon blade? (Or an unrand, for that matter, if I wanted to give it Leech.)

Yes. Do it, because not doing troves is lame. Also, the loot might/could/will be poo poo, but you're dying to know, aren't you.

Also: final report for NEMELEX team: eventually creeped to my second win, this time FoCj. This was good, clean fun. Played with the theme, and went Vehumet. Final three gifts were lousy, but who cares? It's all about the earlier, passive powers.I was really worried about the orb run, because how to deal with random, hugging pan lords? Turns out that Force Lance is good enough. Fun: just like with my OpWr win before, I scraped the last (eigth) win.

I'm sad to admit that I had to abolish FeAK. I am just not good enough for this combo: lost a 2-runer and a 1-runer. One of them stumbled upon this gem: the amulet of Pessimism {Spirit rElec rPois} which must be one of the best trinkets a felid can find. (I always have lots of trouble with poison on them.) I used to think little of Felids, but they have really grown on me: that feelings of despair when all ends seem blocked, and you try to sneak a way to open up one more level... awesome! I'd fight any attempt to remove the little buggers. (Now Nemelex, that's a different story... maybe next time.

)

I won't be able to play over the weekend, so the two wins is all I contribute. This mode (only play Nemelex Choice combos) is awesome, I'll keep doing that in future tournaments. Thanks and greetings to the team!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:01

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Internet Kraken posted:

Yes, but ghosts will only show up in more than one game if the player dies on the same floor as them. So trying to troll people with high level ghosts doesn't work since its so easy to get rid of them without actually fighting them.

How about the abyss?

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:02

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

How about the abyss?

I've never actually seen a player ghost in the abyss. I'm not even sure they can show up there. I mean there should be plenty of low level ghosts on Abyss:1 that fell victim to distortion.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:09

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

Rad

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:13

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

I'm pretty sure they can show up in the abyss. It's just rarer because you teleport to new maps pretty often

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:27

ChickenWing: Jul 22, 2010

[ASK] me about being abyssed on t76 by a random-rear end goblin

# ? Nov 18, 2016 18:58

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

Man I love Long Blades as a skill because Riposte is amazing, but it's super frustrating not being able to reliably deal with Hydras unless you luck into a decent weapon of flaming (or tons of wands to spam).

# ? Nov 18, 2016 19:20

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Mystery Prize posted:

Man I love Long Blades as a skill because Riposte is amazing, but it's super frustrating not being able to reliably deal with Hydras unless you luck into a decent weapon of flaming (or tons of wands to spam).

I've generally been hoping like hell I see Erica before its hydra-killing time. Sometimes I even luck out!

# ? Nov 18, 2016 19:28

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Speleothing posted:

I'm pretty sure they can show up in the abyss. It's just rarer because you teleport to new maps pretty often

They cannot.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 19:44

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Just polymorph it! What could go wrong? :unsmigghh:

# ? Nov 18, 2016 19:46

Mystery Prize: Nov 7, 2010

Great plan! Dragons are definitely easier to deal with than Hydras :shepface:

Xom just gifted me a +8 rod of inaccuracy so that's that problem solved I guess

# ? Nov 18, 2016 20:03

Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

It's also not fair to pick Xom and then complain that you're having a hard time.

# ? Nov 18, 2016 20:08

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Your chance to act is being sure to wear MR+ gear. I can't say if that's fair or not.

Yeah, it's totally fair when you've cleared D/Orc/Lair/Elf and this is your MR gear:

code:

     a - [Orc:1] a +2 leather armour of magic resistance
     b - [D:5] a +2 robe of magic resistance

I'll just put on this piece of paper with MR on it for my body armor....

# ? Nov 18, 2016 20:25

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Mystery Prize posted:

Man I love Long Blades as a skill because Riposte is amazing, but it's super frustrating not being able to reliably deal with Hydras unless you luck into a decent weapon of flaming (or tons of wands to spam).

Ripostes do not sever heads - and with the # of attacks you're going to get a riposte. Equip a big rear end sword and throw javs or use wands.

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:46

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Araganzar posted:

Ripostes do not sever heads - and with the # of attacks you're going to get a riposte.

riposte only actually triggers once per hydra attack series, not once per head. ditto for other monsters with multiple attacks, e.g. trolls, and likewise ditto for minotaur headbutt retaliation (which is where the code comes from in the first place)

# ? Nov 18, 2016 20:29

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