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So is Salt pulling a Gendo for Mimi?
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I totally get why the fanservice might make some folks uncomfortable, but since the entire show is a long look into the mind of a very confused and horny teenager (with another very confused and horny teenager guest-starring - hi there, Episode 5), its presence does at least make rather more sense than in other works. Like, yeah, this episode was about Cocona deciding how she felt about Papika, and realising that she feels quite a lot of different things about her. That means crossed wires ahoy. Like, yeah, you may not be cool with young girls getting sexualised, and that's fine, but for this particular show, the story of a teenage girl's sexual awakening (where she realises she's into girls) told through primarily visual storytelling, it's sort of baked into the premise, so you really have to lump it or leave it. This is the story they chose to tell.
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Nov 18, 2016 09:39
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I'm usually the first one to point out pedo poo poo in anime, but that wasn't this episode's problem. Actually I don't know about the bath scene, I might have been rolling my eyes too hard at that point to notice.
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Nov 18, 2016 19:53
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I guess it's fanservice but it's also clearly supposed to be cocona working her way through her feelings for papika using romantic stereotypes because that's how young people form preconceptions about love
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Nov 18, 2016 20:45
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http://imgur.com/a/NvGqV#QPcKh8v locations from the ep.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:03
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Space Flower posted:http://imgur.com/a/NvGqV#QPcKh8v That's really cool.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:11
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Pavlov posted:I'm usually the first one to point out pedo poo poo in anime, but that wasn't this episode's problem. Actually I don't know about the bath scene, I might have been rolling my eyes too hard at that point to notice. my eyes were rolling too, from having to look in every direction to see all the epiccally cool stuff flipflappers was throwing my way
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Nov 18, 2016 21:38
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Guys, I'm getting the feeling Papika is not entirely straight.
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Nov 18, 2016 22:08
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like, scoliosis?
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Nov 18, 2016 22:29
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:like, scoliosis?
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Nov 18, 2016 23:26
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it's kind of hard to tell. papika does a lot of weird movements, but it looks like her back is generally pretty straight. why do you ask?
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Nov 18, 2016 23:58
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for real though pavlov there are like a half dozen other magical girl shows this season maybe you go and watch them if you're upset about the one that wants to really get into young lesbian sexuality
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Nov 19, 2016 00:04
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i'm pretty sure any posts pavlov makes in a thread for another magical girl show are going to be 20x more painful to read
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Nov 19, 2016 00:11
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Here's something better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPPkcjuZDGA
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Nov 19, 2016 00:14
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The Colonel posted:i'm pretty sure any posts pavlov makes in a thread for another magical girl show are going to be 20x more painful to read Oh man definitely. This show I actually like.
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Nov 19, 2016 01:31
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:for real though pavlov there are like a half dozen other magical girl shows this season maybe you go and watch them if you're upset about the one that wants to really get into young lesbian sexuality ... you still haven't left him with many options there. 
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Nov 19, 2016 01:37
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All of the Papieces are falling into place now.
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Nov 19, 2016 03:27
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i've been stirring the ol' brain soup for a day here, but uh...anyone have a clue what the nail clippers were about?
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Nov 19, 2016 03:51
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Keeping your fingernails trimmed is lesbian shorthand for 'there might be some sex going on soon', for hopefully obvious reasons. E: I mean it might be a bit more subtle than that and be just to remind us of green hair senpai and by extension the danger of unkwoningly changing something they shouldn't now that we know it's possible. I can't remember exactly where the nail clippers popped up, so. I've a feeling it was during the love hotel bit though in which case, yeah... Sakurazuka fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 04:02
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It was a joke because nail clippers are a totally mundane thing to find in someone's desk, yet Cocona was scared about what she'd find poking around.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:19
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So, like I know I'm gonna get owned for saying this, but is it gonna actually come out and say it by the end of the series? I know they seem to be building up to it from what I've heard from you guys, but after being burned by stretch, I just want to know for sure they are gonna say something that just goes and says it, before I actually watch the series. I'm sure this sounds ridiculous to you guys, I understand that but the idea of watching this series and having to then withstand it just being ambiguous in some manner just will not leave. perhaps they are just trying to be fancy here, I just don't trust anime. I pretty much have come to expect betrayal. thechosenone fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 04:20
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Sakurazuka posted:Keeping your fingernails trimmed is lesbian shorthand for 'there might be some sex going on soon', for hopefully obvious reasons. i feel like that's common sense for any sexual encounter, really. is this actually a Specific Lesbian Thing? (i ask in the anime forum)
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Nov 19, 2016 04:27
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Actually that thing about green hair senpai kind of felt like a hanging thread, I wonder if they're ever going to follow up on it.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:36
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Cialis Railman posted:It was a joke because nail clippers are a totally mundane thing to find in someone's desk, yet Cocona was scared about what she'd find poking around. This is the most likely answer and I'm just projecting LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:i feel like that's common sense for any sexual encounter, really. is this actually a Specific Lesbian Thing? (i ask in the anime forum) I mean yeah it's a stereotypically lesbian thing, in straight sexual encounters men are much less likely to have fingernails worth worrying about and woman are less likely to be sticking them in anywhere, though obviously that's not universal.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:38
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I'm actually a little confused and not sure how/where people got on board with the show being explicitly Yuri as early as they do; is it from the Director being upfront or is there something I missed in episodes 1-3? I don't doubt its there but it seems like it was super obvious to everyone and it wasn't to me.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:48
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm actually a little confused and not sure how/where people got on board with the show being explicitly Yuri as early as they do; is it from the Director being upfront or is there something I missed in episodes 1-3? I don't doubt its there but it seems like it was super obvious to everyone and it wasn't to me. from page 2 Space Flower posted:https://twitter.com/binobinobi/status/784795128900706304
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Nov 19, 2016 04:58
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I mean people saw stuff in the first episode (Cocona's reaction to Papika moving her face towards her in episode 1 being a prime example) and tweeted the director about it and he literally stated 'yeah that's what we meant'. Also the writer (or senario director or something like that) is well known in yuri circles and even does a yuri column in Newtype magazine.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:59
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Yeah I've sort of suspected that, and that's why I've been holding off. I have my doubts about anything regarding lesbians until they just come out and say it. because until then, no matter how obvious it may seem to some, until they commit to it, they will always have that air of, 'gonna leave ourselves a way to back out', and it just leaves me unable to enjoy subtlety in these sorts of things. Edit: hrm, well, I see. I don't think I can be blamed for having trepidation though. Would be lovely to have shows with homosexual romance that can exist somewhere between 'tease until the very last moment, and chicken out' and 'beat you over the head to death with it, until you get kind of sick of it'. thechosenone fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 05:00
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm actually a little confused and not sure how/where people got on board with the show being explicitly Yuri as early as they do; is it from the Director being upfront or is there something I missed in episodes 1-3? I don't doubt its there but it seems like it was super obvious to everyone and it wasn't to me. It's partly the director being up front about it - someone asked him on twitter if the Yuri vibes were intentional and he said yeah. But, I mean, episode 1 has two separate scenes where it looks like Papika is leaning in to kiss Cocona, only to reveal that she was only sniffing her hair plus a climax where Cocona saves Papika's life before they tenderly embrace while falling out of the sky, then episode 2 is just...kind of horny in general and has a climax that features Papika declaring that she'll never let go of Cocona, then episode 3 has still more sexually charged imagery, Cocona delicately cradling Papika when she was afraid that she'd hurt her, and Papika literally going "I love love love love you~!" The show's been framing P&C in pretty romantic terms more or less from the word go.
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Nov 19, 2016 05:02
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm actually a little confused and not sure how/where people got on board with the show being explicitly Yuri as early as they do; is it from the Director being upfront or is there something I missed in episodes 1-3? I don't doubt its there but it seems like it was super obvious to everyone and it wasn't to me. Someone involved with the show was asked if the yuri subtext was intentional around the time episodes 1-3 aired and said yes. That doesn't necessarily mean that the show itself will make it explicit, of course, but it does make it hard to say "They're just good friends, really!"
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if you're really, really wondering about whether people are reading too much into it or not and the director's very tweet about it doesn't convince you, here's an old interview with the writer of the first six eps to give you an idea of what runs through her mind when writing these kinds of shows https://yaranakya.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/on-yuri-2-changing-definitions/ interview with ayana yuniko, writer of the first six episodes of flip flaps posted:Ayana: Yes. There were parts of it that made my yuri spirit burn, after all (laugh). Now that the work is all over, I can say this openly, but when I was working on Locodol, writing some parts of it helped me release the frustration pent-up from Kiniro Mosaic. Writing Kiniro Mosaic, I could only use the purest parts of myself lest I defile the beauty of the work, and it wasn’t easy. So when the time came to work on Locodol, only the dirty me was left. For that reason, the yuri intensity degree of the work became relatively high. Nevertheless, my intention when writing the script was to include enough humor to make the yuri ambiguous. But the execution of the finished product was going in the real deal direction. I saw it and thought, “Can’t make excuses for that…” (laughs). The Colonel fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 05:04
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thechosenone posted:Would be lovely to have shows with homosexual romance that can exist somewhere between 'tease until the very last moment, and chicken out' and 'beat you over the head to death with it, until you get kind of sick of it'. From the New World technically fits. Not necessarily a very sensitive portrayal of homosexuality (I say this as someone who likes the show), but it's completely unambiguous about the main characters being bisexual without it being the main plotline.
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Nov 19, 2016 05:10
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I mean, if you're looking for P&C (or P&Y, if the show does the lovely predictable thing and has Papika be Cocona's Persona and disappear at the end) to kiss I'm not sure it's going to happen just because of how this show eschews traditional narrative structure and relies on subtext in general. But, uh, I think the point at which Cocona literally considers banging an imagined, idealized version of Papika is the point at which the show has made its intentions explicit enough for any halfway reasonable viewer.
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Nov 19, 2016 05:10
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Perhaps you might have a point, but if there isn't an explicitly romantic gesture (like it doesn't even have to be a kiss), I'mma be so unhappy.
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Nov 19, 2016 06:15
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thechosenone posted:Perhaps you might have a point, but if there isn't an explicitly romantic gesture i think it might be too late to ask them to do what's sort of been done a few times already
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Nov 19, 2016 06:16
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well, I haven't seen the show, so I guess I would not know. I guess I'll get around to watching it, since people seem to be pretty sure it isn't gonna cop out on me. Would be a reeeally dick move if they did. reaaaallllly dick move. Ya know?
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Nov 19, 2016 06:26
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you should watch symphogear, friend
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Nov 19, 2016 06:33
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Spiritus Nox posted:I mean, if you're looking for P&C (or P&Y, if the show does the lovely predictable thing and has Papika be Cocona's Persona and disappear at the end) to kiss I'm not sure it's going to happen just because of how this show eschews traditional narrative structure and relies on subtext in general. But, uh, I think the point at which Cocona literally considers banging an imagined, idealized version of Papika is the point at which the show has made its intentions explicit enough for any halfway reasonable viewer. Works for me!
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The Colonel posted:you should watch symphogear, friend Something makes me feel like this is sarcastic. If I am correct, then I am sorry that you had to go through that. Because seriously, when they do that... it is just terrible. I kind of want a manga where an author tries to do that and then is delivered an rear end whopping by his own characters.
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