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theflyingexecutive posted:lol yeah let's activate people who only vote if u go directly to their house and stroke their balls and tell them they're a good boy. Def not a waste of time and effort Political ground game: a waste of time and effort Did you just intentionally ignore the fact that Clinton's campaign had no black outreach, and spent half the money on Hispanic outreach that they did on Correct the Record? The only wasted effort here is the sheer force of will not to learn a single goddamn thing.
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Venom Snake posted:Hillary was a shite candidate that ran a piss poor campaign. Agreed. I strongly suspect that the Clinton Machine is now done for, and my past bitches with her are moot. I just worry sometimes that liberals have forgotten what liberalism means.
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theflyingexecutive posted:She sucks on some things, she rules on most things Hillary is... good? Hmm. *checks recent history* No, it says here Hillary was actually a sack of poo poo in a human costume whose cronyism has rotted out the heart of the Democratic Party. Did you maybe mean Bernie Sanders? euphronius posted:If you think Brazille sucks maybe you shouldn't have chased out DWS?? They are both bad, the fact that the DNC replaced DWS with Brazille is what makes reforming the DNC such an important task. They should *both* be chased out, and preferably never have a posting above minor functionary again. theflyingexecutive posted:lol yeah let's activate people who only vote if u go directly to their house and stroke their balls and tell them they're a good boy. Def not a waste of time and effort Did u know that minority turn out in general and Hispanic turn out in particular was also incredibly low? Why are you so racist? Dems need better GOTV at all levels!
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DaveWoo posted:It amazes me that, out of all the things you could be doing with your time and effort, some of you seem fixated on chasing out a person who's going to be leaving in three months anyway. Every single day counts right now. Brazile was fired from CNN because she committed a massive ethics violation by leaking debate topics to the Clinton campaign. God knows what other forms of corruption she's been involved in. Every day she stays in that drat chair is another day the Democratic establishment can cement their power and reinforce a revisionist narrative of the election.
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Not a Step posted:Hillary is... good? Hmm. *checks recent history* No, it says here Hillary was actually a sack of poo poo in a human costume whose cronyism has rotted out the heart of the Democratic Party. Did you maybe mean Bernie Sanders? This all over.
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logikv9 posted:i'm angry and i want blood, screams internet comedy forum posters It's not about blood. I will get over it when she is inevitably allowed to walk away from the situation. I would, however, prefer to rebuild on solid ground rather than the same sand that destroyed us to begin with.
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Also, marginal utility is just a convenient story used to make economics easier. No one actually sits there and thinks 'Hmm, Donald Trump is 95% of a total fucker, but Hillary is only 56% of a total fucker. Logically I should vote for Hillary because she sucks less!'. No, they think 'Trump is a fucker, and Hillary is a fucker. gently caress it I'm not voting for either of them.' Your goal is not to simply be 'less bad' than your opponent. You need to have a strong call to action to get people to come vote for you, and Hillary did not have one. When Hillary was asked policy questions she either had a 30 second policy wonk speech or referred people to her website (remember when we all laughed at O'Malley trying to get people to go to his site? It didn't become less pathetic because it was Hillary). She tried to win by being the least offensive candidate running and thats a real bad strategy. One take away from this election should be that you absolutely must have a simply stated policy goal, even if that goal is not realistic or pragmatic it still motivates people and tells them what your priorities might look like if you did win uncontested power. 'Universal Healthcare' is a rallying cry people can flock to, even if they know it isn't realistic. 'Hold the status quo while exploring the option of individual (deep blue) states trying a single payer alternative' may be more pragmatic, but no one is going to rally to that. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Every single day counts right now. Brazile was fired from CNN because she committed a massive ethics violation by leaking debate topics to the Clinton campaign. God knows what other forms of corruption she's been involved in. Every day she stays in that drat chair is another day the Democratic establishment can cement their power and reinforce a revisionist narrative of the election. The idea that the response to a popular backlash against a corrupt Clinton crony was to appoint *another* corrupt Clinton crony basically sums up the entire Clinton DNC and why it needs to be purged with fire.
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My step mom is in with local politics and I saw a email she printed about a meeting to discuss moving forward. Seems open to the public. Will probably go.
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Not a Step posted:Also, marginal utility is just a convenient story used to make economics easier. No one actually sits there and thinks 'Hmm, Donald Trump is 95% of a total fucker, but Hillary is only 56% of a total fucker. Logically I should vote for Hillary because she sucks less!'. No, they think 'Trump is a fucker, and Hillary is a fucker. gently caress it I'm not voting for either of them.' Your goal is not to simply be 'less bad' than your opponent. You need to have a strong call to action to get people to come vote for you, and Hillary did not have one. When Hillary was asked policy questions she either had a 30 second policy wonk speech or referred people to her website (remember when we all laughed at O'Malley trying to get people to go to his site? It didn't become less pathetic because it was Hillary). She tried to win by being the least offensive candidate running and thats a real bad strategy. yeah this is what republicans do and democrats need to stop being nerds SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:My step mom is in with local politics and I saw a email she printed about a meeting to discuss moving forward. Seems open to the public. Will probably go. what state?
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bump_fn posted:what state? PA, Philly suburb
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:PA, Philly suburb Which one? I'm in the neighborhood.
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C-Euro posted:Which one? I'm in the neighborhood. Havertown
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^^^^^ Havertown's a bit far out of town for me, but if your step-mom knows anything about meetings in or just closer to Philly i'd be grateful. theflyingexecutive posted:Pineapple Eddie is v good tho and u should go thanks for the replies guys, looks like i'm out of luck tho, like literally the only info i could find for the local party was the name of my ward leader, and  it's the former mayor of Philly, who i think is probably a bit too busy with his other jobs to be attending/organizing local meetings:-Advisory council member for the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia -Executive fellow at the University of Chicago Urban Labs, which seeks to improve life in cities -Senior fellow for What Works Cities, a Michael Bloomberg-funded philanthropic program -Commentator for CNN -Urban policy professor at Columbia University -Unpaid member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council, a Department of Homeland Security panel -Visiting fellow at the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics -Distinguished fellow on global cities at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, a nonpartisan organization that seeks to provide insight on global issues -Executive fellow in leadership at Drexel University's LeBow College of Business -Chairman of Airbnb's mayoral advisory council -Board member of the City Trusts of Philadelphia Apraxin has issued a correction as of 05:55 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Not a Step posted:Also, marginal utility is just a convenient story used to make economics easier. No one actually sits there and thinks 'Hmm, Donald Trump is 95% of a total fucker, but Hillary is only 56% of a total fucker. Logically I should vote for Hillary because she sucks less!'. No, they think 'Trump is a fucker, and Hillary is a fucker. gently caress it I'm not voting for either of them.' Your goal is not to simply be 'less bad' than your opponent. You need to have a strong call to action to get people to come vote for you, and Hillary did not have one. When Hillary was asked policy questions she either had a 30 second policy wonk speech or referred people to her website (remember when we all laughed at O'Malley trying to get people to go to his site? It didn't become less pathetic because it was Hillary). She tried to win by being the least offensive candidate running and thats a real bad strategy. You're absolutely right in that it's not a good campaign strategy, but your personal voting strategy should be to pick the best (even if it's the less worse) of the two contenders. Like I said there's no situation where you get to each candidate being 76.42069% of a total fucker and make it a coin toss and even if you get to "each candidate is an equal amount good for me" you could engage one or two empathy neurons and vote for the person who doesn't attack large groups of people at a base level. And again, totally, "I'm less bad than the other guy" is not a winning strategy for a campaign
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theflyingexecutive posted:And again, totally, "I'm less bad than the other guy" is not a winning strategy for a campaign I agree with this sentiment. Let's rebuild together.  punk rebel ecks posted:What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive" exactly? To me, a liberal is tolerant of views not conforming to their own, for one. GlobglogGroAbgalab has issued a correction as of 06:03 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive" exactly? either semantics or a loud and boring argument
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euphronius posted:If you think Brazille sucks maybe you shouldn't have chased out DWS?? drat. A Brutal owning.
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theflyingexecutive posted:good sweet lol u didn't vote for Hillary because she threatened your video games twenty years ago Being against the first amendment should be a huge red flag.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive" exactly? imagine the most pedantic and masturbatory response possible and thats probably close to what many people will give you
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Venom Snake posted:Not to nitpick but the person who orchestrated the attacks did admit to being motivated by the video and I think it should be banned. What the gently caress?
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punk rebel ecks posted:What's the difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive" exactly? For example, this is illiberalism in action at a liberal college. I strongly suspect that liberalism is a philosophy, while progressivism is an agenda, and I strongly state that I mean nothing negative by the word agenda.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:wow you want to tear down the american flag?? yes
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I just saw The Young Turks get invaded by Alex Jones at the RNC. I...I didn't know who "won" or was in the wrong...eonwe posted:imagine the most pedantic and masturbatory response possible and thats probably close to what many people will give you Hmm....
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theflyingexecutive posted:You're absolutely right in that it's not a good campaign strategy, but your personal voting strategy should be to pick the best (even if it's the less worse) of the two contenders. Like I said there's no situation where you get to each candidate being 76.42069% of a total fucker and make it a coin toss and even if you get to "each candidate is an equal amount good for me" you could engage one or two empathy neurons and vote for the person who doesn't attack large groups of people at a base level. Yeah, you missed the part where no real human being ever calculates out how much they hate each candidate and goes with the one they hate less. People have broad categories. If Clinton is a fucker and Trump is a fucker they both get thrown in the fucker box and the fine details don't matter and you vote for neither. E: Misread your response on this one. But the point that people have very broad categories instead of doing rational utility maximization and voting for the lesser of two evils still stands. If its between two evils people just don't show up. Utility maximization is a fairy tale used in the same manner as 'consider a point mass with negligible air friction' is in physics. Also most people are more concerned with their own personal problems than those of people they have never met. If your town is dying, the jobs left a long time ago and half your extended family is hooked on opiates the fact that some Hispanic kid somewhere might get deported under Trump does not really signify. And vice versa. The kid in danger of deportation probably does not give even the slightest poo poo about some Rust Belt no-hoper. You have to get over this idea that there is some underlying unity you can appeal to where if you promise to help Group A then Group B will look upon your works and applaud, even if you're currently taking a steaming poo poo on Group B. Everybody wants someone who will listen to *them*. That said, I don't think its necessary to listen to one group exclusively to gain their trust. You can listen to many groups at once and work with many at once to build a coalition. You can represent minorities *and* the white working class AT THE SAME TIME. Its not exclusive. The working class has way more concerns than 'gently caress brown people', its just 'gently caress brown people' is the only consolation prize they ever seem to get and misery loves company. Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 06:23 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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bump_fn posted:did anyone post this good article lol, I live in a lovely bubble filled with working class folk who take little interest in politics, let alone international politics. When they freaked about Trump I tried to tell them that we were merely following the example of Europe by electing our own Berlusconi or Sarkozy. I am rarely invited to parties. Thank god for Plus One's. E: I chop vegetables and weigh meat for a living. E2: After reading the first couple paragraphs...thanks for this. I feel validated for a lot of poo poo that I felt was unsavory that I've said to the people around me. (Stop blocking I-80. Save your energy for the real fight to come.) GlobglogGroAbgalab has issued a correction as of 06:23 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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MrCussMustard posted:lol, I live in a lovely bubble filled with working class folk who take little interest in politics, let alone international politics. When they freaked about Trump I tried to tell them that we were merely following the example of Europe by electing our own Berlusconi or Sarkozy. I am rarely invited to parties. Marry someone who understands your international political parallels so you can have discussions about who will lead America's future Five Star Party in the privacy of your home instead of feeling like a geek rear end nerd in public.
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Not a Step posted:Marry someone who understands your international political parallels so you can have discussions about who will lead America's future Five Star Party in the privacy of your home instead of feeling like a geek rear end nerd in public. I preach it in public whether they like it or not. There is no point in preaching at home (which I do), unless I intend to usurp MY GIRLFRIEND's right to self determination (which I do not). E: Just looked it up.  @ Five Star. I will deliver my full review later, if at all.
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Powercrazy posted:Being against the first amendment should be a huge red flag. How? She didn't want to ban any kind of video games, she just wanted to enforce the esrb. Her policies are already de facto in place and somehow nobody has claimed the death of the first amendment
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Powercrazy posted:Being against the first amendment should be a huge red flag. bad videogames should be banned (from steam)
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