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PT6A posted:How do conservatives square the circle of wanting traditional values and masculinity and all this poo poo, and then acting like you have the emotional fragility of a loving three-year-old? They're not arguing in good faith. Somebody post the Sartre quote about anti-semites.
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Nov 19, 2016 16:56
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hamilton really is going to be the defining work of art of the Obama presidency isn't it A bunch of minorities doing a song and dance for a bunch of white liberals while they retweet the insanely expensive play as a way to demonstrate how progressive they are may be more accurate than you think
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Nov 19, 2016 16:56
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PT6A posted:How do conservatives square the circle of wanting traditional values and masculinity and all this poo poo, and then acting like you have the emotional fragility of a loving three-year-old? Easy. They choose from believe whatever helps soothe their egos the most and ignore anything that they don't want to hear.
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Nov 19, 2016 16:58
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency/amp He had eight years to do something 
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Nov 19, 2016 16:59
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Mustached Demon posted:Double standard. Never criticize the conservative president. I've looked several times and I still don't see any actual criticism. I mean, they could have said "get the gently caress out of the theatre, you nazi homophobe piece of poo poo!" and been well within their rights still, but they did not in fact do that. They essentially expressed hope that he enjoyed and learned from the play, and that he would be part of a good presidential administration. Oh the loving horror!
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Nov 19, 2016 16:59
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galenanorth posted:I have trouble with the idea the response, when I've seen people criticize things like superdelegates, primaries are run by private parties, so they can be as anti-democratic as they want to be. By that logic, there's nothing stopping the Republican Party and Democratic Party from just agreeing to not hold primaries and just nominating the same candidate... is there? Just the risk of losing party membership.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:02
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TildeATH posted:They're not arguing in good faith. Somebody post the Sartre quote about anti-semites.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:02
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PT6A posted:I've looked several times and I still don't see any actual criticism. We're talking about Mike Pence here. He's a man who refuses to leave 1954.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:04
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Kilroy posted:I think a big appeal, at least in some circles (i.e. RWM, especially), of hypocrisy on the right is that they know it drives the left absolutely nuts. Sean Hannity seems to be the king of this. The dude went from calling for Assange's execution to praising his name without skipping a beat - I don't see that as stupidity but as a display of power. I'm your Facebook friend yelling how they want to stop talking about politics after they got openly dogpiled by everyone in their social circle by voting for trump
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Nov 19, 2016 17:05
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PT6A posted:I've looked several times and I still don't see any actual criticism. Those uppity negroes dared to confront ARE PRESIDENT
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Nov 19, 2016 17:06
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Business Gorillas posted:He had eight years to do something He probably knows this but what could he do? No way he could have drastically reworked the social contract during his Presidency, not with My Ultimate Ayn Rand Porn in Congress.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:08
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Mustached Demon posted:We're talking about Mike Pence here. He's a man who refuses to leave 1954. Yes, and? People never got criticized in 1954? Either Mike Pence is the whiniest, most fragile man it's possible to imagine, or he's waaaaay more racist than I had even assumed (and I already assumed he was pretty racist).
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Nov 19, 2016 17:08
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PT6A posted:Yes, and? People never got criticized in 1954? Sorry I wasn't really clear at all. I'm saying telling Mike Pence to open his mind a little is a great insult to him for he's such a piece of poo poo human.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:13
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PT6A posted:Yes, and? People never got criticized in 1954? They did but you could blacklist/instituionalize/lynch dissenters back then. I love the 1950s and their 90% tax rate on the 1% 
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Mustached Demon posted:We're talking about Mike Pence here. He's a man who refuses to leave 1954. mike pence wasnt even alive in 1954!
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Nov 19, 2016 17:15
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PT6A posted:Yes, and? People never got criticized in 1954? Honestly, it is probably the former in this case. The guy would almost certainly have reacted the same way to a white cast doing this. It betrays a need to view art as simple entertainment, to never be challenged or made uncomfortable by it. Hell, Hamilton would be a better show if they made everyone as uncomfortable as Pence about their role as stewards of American ideals and sins.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:16
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Kilroy posted:I think a big appeal, at least in some circles (i.e. RWM, especially), of hypocrisy on the right is that they know it drives the left absolutely nuts. Sean Hannity seems to be the king of this. The dude went from calling for Assange's execution to praising his name without skipping a beat - I don't see that as stupidity but as a display of power.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:17
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PT6A posted:Yes, and? People never got criticized in 1954? Hey, let's be fair to Pence. All this blowback is actually coming from Trump. I don't think Pence has publicly commented.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:18
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hey, let's be fair to Pence. Which is odd as this is the easiest possible thing to spin with a gracious public statement. "We appreciate the concerns of the cast about our historic administration, and in the spirit of Hamilton, we hope that the Trump presidency will serve as an example of how the American dream allows anyone to succeed yoogely with only hard work and determination" blah blah blah.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:20
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Azuth0667 posted:This is probably from a while ago but, if you find out please share.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:21
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It's going to be fun times when some Iranian official calls us the Great Satan or whatever and President Giant Baby orders the bombs
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Nov 19, 2016 17:22
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Quorum posted:Which is odd as this is the easiest possible thing to spin with a gracious public statement. "We appreciate the concerns of the cast about our historic administration, and in the spirit of Hamilton, we hope that the Trump presidency will serve as an example of how the American dream allows anyone to succeed yoogely with only hard work and determination" blah blah blah. That's presuming competency, also, Trump's already made a statement and Pence can't risk overshadowing or out-performing the top of the ticket.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:23
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PT6A posted:I've looked several times and I still don't see any actual criticism. Shut up and rap, boy.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:23
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's presuming competency, also, Trump's already made a statement and Pence can't risk overshadowing or out-performing the top of the ticket. Something I just thought about is how there is a chance that the culture war bullshit goes absolutely nowhere because pence would get credit for it and trump knows it
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Nov 19, 2016 17:25
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Business Gorillas posted:Something I just thought about is how there is a chance that the culture war bullshit goes absolutely nowhere because pence would get credit for it and trump knows it our no-poo poo best hope at this point is that the Trump presidency collapses into internal squabbling.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:25
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:our no-poo poo best hope at this point is that the Trump presidency collapses into internal squabbling. If it were going to do this, it would have happened already.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:our no-poo poo best hope at this point is that the Trump presidency collapses into internal squabbling. It will, but on the really big things (Supreme Court, dismantling Obamacare, etc) they'll come together to gently caress us all.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:28
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Pollyanna posted:If it were going to do this, it would have happened already. Let's look at how that appointment process is going *opens door to a room completely engulfed in flame*
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Nov 19, 2016 17:35
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Business Gorillas posted:Something I just thought about is how there is a chance that the culture war bullshit goes absolutely nowhere because pence would get credit for it and trump knows it If you remember back to when they offered Kasich the position and told him as VP he would carry out the duties of the president and apply that to Pence suddenly all these appointments make perfect sense. I don't think Trump gives a gently caress about Jeff Sessions or anything like that. It's probably Pence and Bannon feeding him a list and Trump signing off on whatever.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:40
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Business Gorillas posted:Let's look at how that appointment process is going *opens door to a room completely engulfed in flame* "Beelzebub, Mr. Trump will see you now. "
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Nov 19, 2016 17:41
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Quorum posted:Which is odd as this is the easiest possible thing to spin with a gracious public statement. "We appreciate the concerns of the cast about our historic administration, and in the spirit of Hamilton, we hope that the Trump presidency will serve as an example of how the American dream allows anyone to succeed yoogely with only hard work and determination" blah blah blah. Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's presuming competency, also, Trump's already made a statement and Pence can't risk overshadowing or out-performing the top of the ticket. alternate take: trump's base thrives on liberal anger and he's being intentionally escalating the dispute to drown out other stories about his hotel, transition, and the trump university settlement. he only cares about appeasing the hardcore base that got him elected
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Nov 19, 2016 17:44
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QuoProQuid posted:alternate take: trump's base thrives on liberal anger and he's being intentionally escalating the dispute to drown out other stories about his hotel, transition, and the trump university settlement. he only cares about appeasing the hardcore base that got him elected I really don't think he's that smart/strategic. He was tweeting about the Trump U settlement himself, fifteen minutes before he started tweeting about Hamilton.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:47
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Pollyanna posted:If it were going to do this, it would have happened already. His son in law Jared "KUSHMASTERJK" Kushner purged everyone even remotely connected to Christie and presumably that was the only competent faction on the whole boat. That assertion of power would be fine if KUSHMASTERJK was able to actually capitalize on the purge but anti-nepotism laws are A Thing. Trump might try to keep him close by but he won't ever be allowed in the cabinet and that lack of legitimacy is going to chafe on the actual cabinet because they're a pack of pickled peckerwoods who will just tell Kush to gently caress the hell off because he's not a real cabinet member. Since Trump actually trusts Kushner for some reason, Kushner is going to end up having Trump stage regular purges of anyone who tries talking down to him due to his lack of office. The cabinet will devolve into everyone playing each other against Trump or Kushner or both.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:52
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Beefeater1980 posted:Actually it's a county just east of London. Is this a pun on a real county name?
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Nov 19, 2016 18:02
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FAUXTON posted:Since Trump actually trusts Kushner for some reason, My pet theory is that Trump regards Kushner as a younger version of himself he can live vicariously through/trust, and it's really gross to watch. I literally can't think of another reason why Trump trusts this random guy so much other than he's a loyal, Jewish carbon copy of Trump. The political gossip mill's been very quiet regarding Kellyanne Conway, who seems to be literally the only publicly political woman in Trump's immediate orbit these days. (Ivanka whispers in his ear but seems to be mostly busy trying to peddle her random poo poo.) Any guesses re: her role in the administration, if at all? She might decide to take the money in run but I doubt it.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:04
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Old James posted:Is this a pun on a real county name? Essex.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:04
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Combed Thunderclap posted:My pet theory is that Trump regards Kushner as a younger version of himself he can live vicariously through/trust, and it's really gross to watch. I literally can't think of another reason why Trump trusts this random guy so much other than he's a loyal, Jewish carbon copy of Trump. Probably some old white man misogyny thing like not being able to respect his daughter 100% and transplanting some of that over to her husband. Respecting his daughter by proxy sense he basically is constitutionally unable to consider women as peers or equals.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:07
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Pigs will fly in arctic hell if Trump's cabinet falls apart. They're united in their evil and their love of money. I don't see it happening.
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Tulsi gabbard 2020.
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