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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Privatised reeducation centers to keep costs down.

Well I'm fine running them like a corporation. So if they don't turn a profit they don't get fed.

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Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Crowsbeak posted:

But I as a liberal know that you are a racist troglodyte who wants to lynch blacks and burn gays. ( I don't actually believe that just making fun of the thought of regulars in uspol.)

Yep. Stereotypes are a bitch. Thankfully, there's enough time in the day for me to work my day job, work on my degree assignments, boil off a quart or two of moonshine from the still, and build a local coalition to where the local democrats can actually put up some sort of resistance to the republican supermajority, which leaves me just enough time to post a bunch of ascii rocketships for gay space communism in response to neolibs saying I'm racist.


edit: 8====D <-- rockets like those.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar



:psyduck:

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013


Le petit révolutionnaire

The_Politics_Man
Aug 25, 2015

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

Crowsbeak posted:

Nationalize all toll roads.

Are there a lot of toll roads in rural America? I mean, I don't know of any in Idaho at least. Only time I started seeing them is when I moved to Seattle.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Gene Hackman Fan posted:

edit: 8====D <-- rockets like those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGdxli71cg&feature=youtu.be&t=110

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


My Linux Rig posted:

Are there a lot of toll roads in rural America? I mean, I don't know of any in Idaho at least. Only time I started seeing them is when I moved to Seattle.

The northeast has a bunch. The George Washington bridge in NYC costs like 11 bucks to go over it's ridiculous. The state spanning interstate in PA is a toll road and it sucks.

There aren't toll roads in the southeast either.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


My Linux Rig posted:

Are there a lot of toll roads in rural America? I mean, I don't know of any in Idaho at least. Only time I started seeing them is when I moved to Seattle.

There's a lot in Chicagoland

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

comingafteryouall posted:

The northeast has a bunch. The George Washington bridge in NYC costs like 11 bucks to go over it's ridiculous. The state spanning interstate in PA is a toll road and it sucks.

There aren't toll roads in the southeast either.

Florida is the toll road capital

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

California doesn't have many but they are increasing in prevalence.

Burn Zone
May 22, 2004



My Linux Rig posted:

Are there a lot of toll roads in rural America? I mean, I don't know of any in Idaho at least. Only time I started seeing them is when I moved to Seattle.

I was recently surprised to encounter large stretches of toll roads in the middle of bumfuck around Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Burn Zone has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Nov 19, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Burn Zone posted:

I was recently surprised to encounter large stretches of toll roads in the middle of bumfuck around Tusla, Oklahoma.

The Oklahoma Turnpike Authority does a pretty good job. They're well maintained, long scenic stretches of hills and plains. Great way to get out of the state. The tolls are cheap. But it's also government run.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Burn Zone posted:

I was recently surprised to encounter large stretches of toll roads in the middle of bumfuck around Tusla, Oklahoma.

It costs four bucks to go from Tulsa to Oklahoma City on the Turnpike (also known as Interstate 40). You can do it on the back roads for free, but you have to deal with barely paved two lane roads with an irritating number of stoplights. Also cops looking out especially for toll evaders who aren't from around there.

And then half the roads leading out of Tulsa are toll, although I think thats because they pass through Native national territory, and I was less incensed about giving them two dollars to drive through. Exact change only though, which sucks if you aren't prepared.

When I first arrived in Boston I got lost on the stupid turnpike and wound up paying over $10 in tolls because I kept going around in circles.



Also if you need a solid laugh today try this, friend: http://www.lennyletter.com/politics/a613/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president/

Well What Now
Nov 10, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Shredded Hen
I don't really mind government-operated toll roads and bridges because infrastructure gotta get financed somehow dawg but private tollroads can gently caress off to hell except for some very specific circumstances that I'm sure exist but I can't think of right now

like if you're one of those assholes who absolutely has to have your precious neighborhood in the deepest of the deep woods and the only road in is a logging company road built and maintained by said logging company I guess you're hosed then because nobody said you have to live there

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Tolls are like the perfect use tax I don't know why anyone would be against them

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


euphronius posted:

Tolls are like the perfect use tax I don't know why anyone would be against them

Like sales taxes, they unfairly impact disadvantaged people.

Though I give the ILDOT the finger when I set my GPS to "avoid tolls"

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

iospace posted:

Like sales taxes, they unfairly impact disadvantaged people.

Though I give the ILDOT the finger when I set my GPS to "avoid tolls"

That's not unfairly targeting anyone

The problem is poor people. Not use taxes. Also sales tax is not a use tax.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Trucks should be paying all the tolls anyway as they cause 100% of road damage.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





euphronius posted:

Trucks should be paying all the tolls anyway as they cause 100% of road damage.

ding ding ding ding

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

euphronius posted:

Trucks should be paying all the tolls anyway as they cause 100% of road damage.

Mobil homes as well.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Nov 19, 2016

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Sep 25, 2005

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comingafteryouall posted:

you heard it here folks, go out in the streets and redistribute that income yourself!

firebombing some banks is a good start

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Not a Step posted:

It costs four bucks to go from Tulsa to Oklahoma City on the Turnpike (also known as Interstate 40). You can do it on the back roads for free, but you have to deal with barely paved two lane roads with an irritating number of stoplights. Also cops looking out especially for toll evaders who aren't from around there.

And then half the roads leading out of Tulsa are toll, although I think thats because they pass through Native national territory, and I was less incensed about giving them two dollars to drive through. Exact change only though, which sucks if you aren't prepared.

When I first arrived in Boston I got lost on the stupid turnpike and wound up paying over $10 in tolls because I kept going around in circles.



Also if you need a solid laugh today try this, friend: http://www.lennyletter.com/politics/a613/hillary-clinton-is-more-than-a-president/

at least Fillmore and Hoover were actually presidents.

There's no participation prize for running in a Presidential Race.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Just got out of the New Kings Democrats meeting and my representative Nydia Velazquez was there. They are fairly organized, very progressive, and are absolutely not on board with how lovely the "blue state" of New York is with regards to local and state government.

I'm planning on joining the policy committee that is currently focused on criminal justice reform and voting rights :)

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

I parked in a bank's lot next to a sign that says "Parking for Bank Customers Only" when I went to get lunch today.

#doingmypart

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Powercrazy posted:

Just got out of the New Kings Democrats meeting and my representative Nydia Velazquez was there. They are fairly organized, very progressive, and are absolutely not on board with how lovely the "blue state" of New York is with regards to local and state government.

I'm planning on joining the policy committee that is currently focused on criminal justice reform and voting rights :)

Good, it feels fuckin' impossible to get involved with this party in NY. Erie went republican for president in the first time since like goddamn forever and the only thing on the events calendar was a democratic club meeting in Elma(a small town) that was 5 old people.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

euphronius posted:

Tolls are like the perfect use tax I don't know why anyone would be against them

The 91 express toll lanes were a privately funded toll road that took out carpool lanes and replaced them with toll lanes. As agreement for building out this toll lane, the contract said that no improvements were allowed to be made to the public freeway that would in any way ease congestion on what was one of the worst roads in the nation for traffic. That's something that negatively impacts the general public for the benefit of people who can afford the $11 toll.

Eventually the county/state took it over but now the inland empire is removing nearly all the carpool lanes on all their freeways and replacing them with more toll roads.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I find it odd that people who say "Hillary adopted Bernie's platform" just because she put some stuff on her website. A candidate's platform is what they call for and the issues they raise to the community at large. Her just adding stuff to her website just seems to be a box to check more than anything else in an attempt to please the American Left.

Fidel Castronaut posted:

Liberalism is all the poo poo we talk about Lena Dunham and safety pins. It's a petite bourgeoisie political philosophy that says "COEXIST" and believes in an ethical capitalism where Tom's shoes is making a difference and Whole Foods is improving the world.

Progressivism, to me, is people who do poo poo. People who go to Standing Up for Racial Justice meetings, people who don't give a poo poo about how irritated gentrifiers get when you criticize gentrification, and people who do not live on self-sustaining communes but still are comfortable openly criticizing capitalism.

This seems accurate. Progressivism seems like the furthest left you can go with capitalism without venturing into socialism.

I always saw liberals as people who believe adding policy and funding to existing structures is key. While progressives want to tear things down and build them a new.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

A perfect example of why ideological purity tests are stupid trash for babies.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

punk rebel ecks posted:

I find it odd that people who say "Hillary adopted Bernie's platform" just because she put some stuff on her website. A candidate's platform is what they call for and the issues they raise to the community at large. Her just adding stuff to her website just seems to be a box to check more than anything else in an attempt to please the American Left.

Yeah she didn't really adopt it. But the party adopted the stuff as its platform. And i assumed Hillary is a partisan hack that would follow that.

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

punk rebel ecks posted:

I find it odd that people who say "Hillary adopted Bernie's platform" just because she put some stuff on her website. A candidate's platform is what they call for and the issues they raise to the community at large. Her just adding stuff to her website just seems to be a box to check more than anything else in an attempt to please the American Left.

God all the people who were like "BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE MOST PROGRESSIVE THEY'VE EVER BEEN, JUST LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE!!!". And then almost none of the party platform actually came out the mouths of any democratic politician.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

My second post ITT was about how it really feels like they mostly adopted the platform so hill shills would have a built-in comeback to people calling her centrist rather than as an actual ideological basis for a campaign, because boy did they ever not campaign on it at all

I mean, campaigning on their platform would have required them to campaign on anything at all other than "look how bad Donald Trump is" and that would have alienated the moderate Republicans they were so sure were going to flip blue

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
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Burn Zone posted:

I was recently surprised to encounter large stretches of toll roads in the middle of bumfuck around Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Jesus, that's lovely. Is it at least affordable?

Guy DeBorgore
Apr 6, 1994

Catnip is the opiate of the masses
Soiled Meat
hillary talked about policy all the frickin time you dummies

for some strange reason it didn't make the headlines

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Guy DeBorgore posted:

hillary talked about policy all the frickin time you dummies

for some strange reason it didn't make the headlines

seriously you can talk a lot of poo poo about her campaign methods but pretending her main platform was actually 'TRUMP BAD' is just the opposite of truth.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i think a lot of people didnt read or watch her speechhes cuz they hated her old loving facs

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Yeah she didn't really adopt it. But the party adopted the stuff as its platform. And i assumed Hillary is a partisan hack that would follow that.
I don't agree with this. It was a big fight just to give Bernie a bigger voice in the platform creation process, and even then that was recognized as being a big compromise on both sides. The party certainly started to lean more towards the left in the final negotiated platform, but I think it still needs to be made clear that the party did not just take Bernie's positions and paste them into the party platform.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Crooked Hillary ruined PRESIDENT TRUMP's reputation and now they are booed everywhere

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Guy DeBorgore posted:

hillary talked about policy all the frickin time you dummies

for some strange reason it didn't make the headlines

The campaign's main strategy was ads and celebrity surrogates. Neither of those two things ever, ever talked about policy. Are you talking about her little-publicized, sparsely-scheduled, not-widely-attended rallies, or her fundraising events with big-money donors?

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punk rebel ecks posted:

I find it odd that people who say "Hillary adopted Bernie's platform" just because she put some stuff on her website. A candidate's platform is what they call for and the issues they raise to the community at large. Her just adding stuff to her website just seems to be a box to check more than anything else in an attempt to please the American Left.


This seems accurate. Progressivism seems like the furthest left you can go with capitalism without venturing into socialism.

I always saw liberals as people who believe adding policy and funding to existing structures is key. While progressives want to tear things down and build them a new.

I used to think it was the opposite: liberals were concerned about economic policies and progressive were like vegans and poo poo

Couldn't have been more wrong on that

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