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cheese posted:Since Trump's views on women are firmly medieval, then I can only imagine he sees himself as some 16th century Duke whose biological sons are pampered dandies unfit to rule, forced to marry his beautiful daughter off to a son-figure worthy of succeeding him on the throne. They probably think that since only a handful of states have legalized they can still get the genie back in the bottle. They probably also realize they won't have another chance at it. It's insanely stupid, but then so is just about every plan they have. edit: also re-criminalizing weed fits in nicely with nationwide stop-n-frisk. edit 2: it also means more smuggling via the border and further justifies the wall.
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It is well worth remembering that the US military and intelligence services are set up deliberately to prevent coups. Not only are they each splintered into multiple competing services with different specializations, cultures, and rivalries, but the culture of civilian oversight runs extremely deep. The freeper dream of the good old boys in the Army going rogue and defending Free Americans from the heinous negromancy of the UN Overseer Obama has always been completely without merit, as is pretty much any permutation of that hypothetical. It's not that a military coup can't happen in the US, but the cultural and institutional shifts that would be necessary to empower such a thing have not happened. e: ironically I would expect to see an intelligence services coup before a military one; the intelligence services don't have the same line about civilian oversight drilled into them, and have operated above the law in a lot of ways for a while. But that's not to say I expect to see an intelligence services coup at all. Quorum fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:For the record I'm I don't know how to say, "please do not humiliate your poor mother" in French.
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zegermans posted:Well I guess Muslims will have been liquidated by then anyway so her positions on them won't be an issue Well...gently caress. I liked her from what I saw of her support for Bernie and stuff. Sad I missed all her anti-Islamic poo poo. (which I just researched. It's easy enough to find. So that's my bad. I guess it never hurts to learn.)
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NikkolasKing posted:Well...gently caress. I liked her from what I saw of her support for Bernie and stuff. Sad I missed all her anti-Islamic poo poo. (which I just researched. It's easy enough to find. So that's my bad. I guess it never hurts to learn.) Tim Canova had some pretty gross skeletons in his closet, too. Just supporting Bernie (or receiving his endorsement, even) is absolutely no guarantee of rightthink, just as supporting Hillary was no guarantee of wrongthink (e.g. Warren). It's not the worst heuristic but it's good to evaluate in more depth before coming to a conclusion. Meanwhile, Tammy Duckworth for cyborg president.
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Nov 19, 2016 20:08
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How much would the Tammie Duckworth VA whistleblower scandals potentially hurt her?
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Nov 19, 2016 20:23
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Combed Thunderclap posted:My pet theory is that Trump regards Kushner as a younger version of himself he can live vicariously through/trust, and it's really gross to watch. I literally can't think of another reason why Trump trusts this random guy so much other than he's a loyal, Jewish carbon copy of Trump. I think he's just jealous Kushdog gets to go balls deep in Ivanka
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SourKraut posted:How much would the Tammie Duckworth VA whistleblower scandals potentially hurt her? Not as much as her being born in Thailand.
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I feel like it's emblematic of what a lovely situation we're in right now where I really hope Romney gets a spot in Trump's cabinet. https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/800057938165563393
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I have a feeling Trump is going to sucker-punch Ryan. Ryan's going to get up a good lather of conservative bills though congress, and when they land on Trump's desk he'll play the populist and tell the American people he's standing up for them and refuse to sign when they try to axe Medicare or whatever. At least on really unpopular stuff, the smaller things are likely to slide.
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Nov 19, 2016 20:36
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Nov 19, 2016 20:36
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I cannot wait for Trump to keep bitching every time a tv show, movie, comic, youtuber, facebook poster or anything that insults him. I wonder how long it takes for him to stop looking like someone who takes on all commers and be seen as a sniveling bitch. The best thing about the Trump University thing is Trump tried to attack the Clintons for their settlements as they suggested they were guilty. But then we're in a post facts world.
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twistedmentat posted:I cannot wait for Trump to keep bitching every time a tv show, movie, comic, youtuber, facebook poster or anything that insults him. I wonder how long it takes for him to stop looking like someone who takes on all commers and be seen as a sniveling bitch. If the Democrats had any balls, they'd go full-on weird left Twitter and postmodern their way into the Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS in 2020. Competency and sanity has been left behind.
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Pollyanna posted:If the Democrats had any balls, they'd go full-on weird left Twitter and postmodern their way into the Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS in 2020. Competency and sanity has been left behind. I'm sure most of them are no different than the republicans who just want to get as much money as they can before the world collapses and then they can live on a moon base with Newt or something.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Not as much as her being born in Thailand. Eh, if Ted Cruz could probably get into the presidency then she could.
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Rexicon1 posted:I'm sure most of them are no different than the republicans who just want to get as much money as they can before the world collapses and then they can live on a moon base with Newt or something. You act like every single human on this planet wouldn't do the same for themselves and family.
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Nov 19, 2016 20:44
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Seeing all these stories about Christie being stabbed in the back and tossed in the ditch, is there any chance he would ever come out as some sort of whistle-blower anti-Trump figure in the next few months? I don't know much about his personality, but he doesn't seem like one to just take this without retaliation, unless he would be threatened with Bridgegate jail time.
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Nov 19, 2016 20:44
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Business Gorillas posted:He had eight years to do something He had, charitably, two years to do anything about anything. I don't think anyone here is going to argue with the idea that he squandered those two years, but let's not pretend that Obama's administration is to blame for the lack of meaningful fiscal policy over the last six years. A lot of the "optimism" I've been hearing from otherwise liberal friends who work in finance is predicated on the idea that Republicans will do something and the economy will stop being held captive by monetary policy. Note that this is a poo poo position to hold and these people are shitheads for holding it, but they aren't wrong about the first part. What worries me is that Republican policy might actually work to provide a short term economic boost because things like tax cuts work reasonably well if you're okay with selling out the future for immediate gain.
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Business Gorillas posted:
because that allows them to ignore Clinton's faults and change nothing
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why are you caring about the people who voted for trump as opposed to the much larger proportion of democratic voters that stayed at home
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Kilroy posted:Look at it this way: Trump is likely going to end up as the Jimmy Carter of the right, except he's not even going to build houses for homeless people after leaving office. If Putin insomuch as sneezes in the general direction of the Baltics during Trump's presidency, he's going to get humiliated. Just imagine if the South Ossetia crisis played out during the end of Jr.'s first term.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Eh, if Ted Cruz could probably get into the presidency then she could. It's Okay If A Republican Does It
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Guy Goodbody posted:Democrats didn't learn this after Kerry, I have doubts that they're gonna learn it now, but there's a very clear lesson: People don't vote against candidates. The problem in 2004 wasn't Democratic turnout. Bush got much higher turnout in 2004 than he did in 2000 - and, for that matter, he got higher turnout in 2004 than every Republican candidate since. Deadulus posted:That's true. Because the landed gentry of the South has spent the last hundred-plus years telling the poor that only the local aristocrats can create jobs and prosperity for them, and that attempts by the federal government to rein in the power of the petty nobles and replace it with federal anti-poverty programs are actually secret attempts by the filthy urban liberals to destroy Southern society and funnel all their money to black people. PT6A posted:How do conservatives square the circle of wanting traditional values and masculinity and all this poo poo, and then acting like you have the emotional fragility of a loving three-year-old? It's because right-wing media deliberately fosters a persecution complex in order to make its listeners feel like their very way of life is under constant assault by liberal conspirators. A cashier says "Happy Holidays" at the store? That's not someone giving corporate-mandated fake holiday cheer, as one might think; talk radio will tell you that it she's actually an agent of the liberal conspiracy working to destroy the sanctity of our greatest and most capitalist holiday! Within the right-wing outrage universe, these weren't individual actors expressing their personal opinion - they were a scheme by the liberal traitors to undermine confidence in our government and threaten the vice-president by demonstrating that their agents could be lurking anywhere he goes. All part of the nationwide assault on conservatives, you see.
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Quorum posted:This would be unprecedented (and will not happen) but they would follow along with the transition of power just fine. The electoral college being an antidemocratic sack of poo poo gave us Trump and they had no problem with it, because it's all quite Constitutional, as would be a giant faithless-elector revolt. I'd love to the the conservative justices' statement after the subsequent 4-4 ruling because they'd be screaming so loudly that the EC has to follow their state no matter what.
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The Trump regime is looking less and less like it'll be a bunch of buffoons looting the treasury and more like it's gonna be a very scary "Laws Don't Apply" surveillance state. Trump has been making a lot of scary intelligence related moves but this one is really insane. Military goons will know how loving weird and scary this is.
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the black husserl posted:The Trump regime is looking less and less like it'll be a bunch of buffoons looting the treasury and more like it's gonna be a very scary "Laws Don't Apply" surveillance state. Trump has been making a lot of scary intelligence related moves but this one is really insane. I don't understand why it is scary?
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the black husserl posted:The Trump regime is looking less and less like it'll be a bunch of buffoons looting the treasury and more like it's gonna be a very scary "Laws Don't Apply" surveillance state. Trump has been making a lot of scary intelligence related moves but this one is really insane. Could you explain why?
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Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...still-open.html Jesus Christ.
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Kro-Bar posted:There could be a couple faithless electors, but we'd need something like 37 of them to take the election to the House or give it to Clinton. That's like .00001% likely, based on my extensive mathematical research. The only way it could happen is if Trump is quite literally caught violently raping Ivanka while talking about how he plans to not-joking gas the Jews. Or I suppose he could decide this is too much work and say "I wish I could justify becoming President but the popular vote says otherwise. I am therefore instructing the EC to vote for my opponent, Hilary Clinton, as the true winner of the election and to choose her as the next President of the United States of America", and whilst that would be hilarious for the ensuing chaos, and whilst it would appeal to his ego by making him the greatest example of civic virtues since Cincinnatus himself and a man who is lauded as one of the greatest in American history until the day the Republic finally falls, I soooomehow don't see it happening.
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Hollismason posted:I don't understand why it is scary? The future Supreme Commander of the US Armed forces is meeting, in his house, with his brand new Director of National Intelligence, who superseded the chain of command to attend the meeting since he would have been told "gently caress NO." But doncha know he's practically sworn in already, and the Trump house can replace both the Pentagon AND the White House! We'll just call it the Pentahouse, or Penthouse for short. Unprecedented breaks with US checks and balances already happening 11 days out from election! This is fine. Acid Haze fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Hollismason posted:I don't understand why it is scary? It means this guy is more loyal to the Trump organization than to the United State of America. Which is a significantly terrifying change in the culture of our rulers. You not understanding why its scary is sadly all too common cause this is gonna happen with no resistance 
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the black husserl posted:The core is right there in the quoted text - and if you'll click through and read the article, you'll understand why it's so chilling (the Pentagon wants this guy to be fired). But short version: chain of command is one of the absolute core principals of America's armed forces. It is beyond shocking for an officer to meet with the President without notifying his superiors. This is medieval court intrigue type of poo poo, it's just not done at all. So if I understand this correctly, the military's traditions and core values are violated by this act and the established system is being flaunted in favor of appealing to a new leader while the establishment is horrified yet unable to do anything at all about it? Uh, isn't this some loving junta poo poo? Is the military breaking down too?
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the black husserl posted:The core is right there in the quoted text - and if you'll click through and read the article, you'll understand why it's so chilling (the Pentagon wants this guy to be fired). But short version: chain of command is one of the absolute core principals of America's armed forces. It is beyond shocking for an officer to meet with the President without notifying his superiors. This is medieval court intrigue type of poo poo, it's just not done at all. Not to mention it seems like a very uncoded, "I don't answer to you anymore."
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How many leaks and whistleblowers will we be seeing in the next 4-8 years? I imagine a lot of people in the military (and the gov't at large) will be very upset seeing their lives' work being poo poo on. Hopefully.
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JeffersonClay posted:Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. Eh... it could be worse.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:How many leaks and whistleblowers will we be seeing in the next 4-8 years? I imagine a lot of people in the military (and the gov't at large) will be very upset seeing their lives' work being poo poo on. Hopefully. The number will not matter because people will ignore the leaks and treat them as traitors and liars. Just like they did with every other leaker and whistleblower, ever.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's because right-wing media deliberately fosters a persecution complex in order to make its listeners feel like their very way of life is under constant assault by liberal conspirators. A cashier says "Happy Holidays" at the store? That's not someone giving corporate-mandated fake holiday cheer, as one might think; talk radio will tell you that it she's actually an agent of the liberal conspiracy working to destroy the sanctity of our greatest and most capitalist holiday! Within the right-wing outrage universe, these weren't individual actors expressing their personal opinion - they were a scheme by the liberal traitors to undermine confidence in our government and threaten the vice-president by demonstrating that their agents could be lurking anywhere he goes. All part of the nationwide assault on conservatives, you see. It's going to be amazing to see RWM try to figure out how to frame that Republicans controlling the entire government is still too weak to fight against the evil forces of PC culture and Feminism.
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The arguments that the whole Hamilton thing is a distraction from the Trump U settlement are really dumb to me. Trump isn't a 7th dimensional chessmaster, he's just an idiot with a fragile ego who reacts to everything equally. He is not a normal person with normal priorities like "not getting caught doing openly corrupt things". And even if he was, the past year has shown that no one really gives a poo poo if Trump does openly corrupt things anyway. The truth is that Trump legit believes that getting booed at in a theater is just as bad, if not worse, than having to pay out millions to settle a fraud case. And I'd say that stuff like the Hamilton thing is way more damaging to him than any reports of corruption. Trump's entire appeal is being the powerful bully that his supporters can live vicariously though, and being a whiny bitch on Twitter over the tiniest things damages the strongman image he's trying to cultivate and sell to the American people. We live in a post-facts world and image is everything, needling him like this for four years would do way more damage to his image and psyche than any investigative journalism would.
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Pollyanna posted:So if I understand this correctly, the military's traditions and core values are violated by this act and the established system is being flaunted in favor of appealing to a new leader while the establishment is horrified yet unable to do anything at all about it? No, in a Junta the military would be the main power, not a power who is in danger of being puppet-stringed by neo-fascism. The Junta comes after the military gets pissed and seizes government control. What we have here is a military officer essentially saying, "Haha, I get to go work for Trump now, so I only answer to the President of the United States. Now I'm going to go pitch policy ideas of the future president in his home."
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Kilroy posted:Even the stuff he's talking about being a solution is just band-aids to the problem anyway, and eventually that gets untenable. Education and social safety nets are fine, but we're already past the point where all the education in the world isn't going to get everyone a job (this should be obvious on the face of it, alas) and social safety nets are a kludge by design. If half your population is dependent on them then you're doing something very wrong. I always found it strange anyone was expecting Obama to be this harbinger of radical change. Did you really think he would establish communism here? I have no doubt there are leftists who think Obama was a failure, but what could he do? The obstructionists either dim witted or simply mean spirited Republicans (there is no other excuse to be a Republican) are just making life worse for most Americans and a lot of the rest of the world. And you are right not everyone is going to get a job. Capitalism in its very nature requires a percentage of labor to unemployed at all times. The only change in unemployment and capitalism is that it can be argued that capitalism now requires a certain new class the unemployable. The movement from liberal capitalism to an authoritarian capitalism is certain without the proper and appropriate measures taken. But first, people have got get clear that unemployment is created by capitalism first. And it is part of its own productive power. No matter how helpful people might think program y or z is in helping some of the unemployed gain employment, they will simply displace others to a degree. This is the tip of the iceberg.
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