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Pollyanna posted:Yet. It's really disheartening that every single protection we have in this country, barring a constitutional amendment (like the SC even gives a poo poo about the constitution anymore lol), is on the precipice of collapse at the whim of a Spray Tan Elemental.
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Trabisnikof posted:Really it a lot more neuanced than that: That's a far cry from what I was responding to, Evil Fluffy posted:Can't teach creationism or indoctrinate children with your own religious beliefs in public schools? Just funnel all that money to private schools with no such restriction! This is not a thing.
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twistedmentat posted:The first time he has to go up against the White House Press Corps and actually have to answer real, hard questions is going to be amazing. Trump isn't going to give a single press conference as president. Lots of speeches and rallies, but he's never going to take questions from the press corps.
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FuturePastNow posted:Trump isn't going to give a single press conference as president. Lots of speeches and rallies, but he's never going to take questions from the press corps. he is in office for four years. it is not possible for the president of the united states to avoid the press for four years. edit: and "every single protection" is not on the precipice. trump is a historically bad president but congress, the supreme court, the federal bureaucracy, and the States are not going to sit idly if trump sends out an unconstitutional order. we do not live in a dictatorship. the guy is bad enough as is. you don't need to make him harbinger of the apocalypse QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Rexicon1 posted:It's really disheartening that every single protection we have in this country, barring a constitutional amendment (like the SC even gives a poo poo about the constitution anymore lol), is on the precipice of collapse at the whim of a Spray Tan Elemental. This really is the biggest, most desperate push for the angriest of conservatives, white "Christian" supremacists to dismantle every single bit of progress from 60 years ago onwards before old age takes the bulk of them being dominated by the embodiment of greed and narcissism. I guarantee that the first moves Trump will take are to toss us into a brand new war so that he can use that to silence the few remaining meaningful dissenting voices. If this continues, there is no hope but open rebellion, which is sure to be crushed by the bloated Trump-worshipping military. I have no idea how we can recover from this madness. The coming months will haunt us for the rest of the lives of everyone currently alive.
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QuoProQuid posted:he is in office for four years. it is not possible for the president of the united states to avoid the press for four years. I mean he totally can and probably will try. Why let the drat crooked media give you a bad name when you can just go to rallies and let the Trumpstaffel do all the work?
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I didn't know Christianity was all about being spiteful and loving over other people so you can have more money. The more you learn!
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QuoProQuid posted:he is in office for four years. it is not possible for the president of the united states to avoid the press for four years. This is correct. Trump and the congressional Republicans are going to do every constitutional bad thing you can think of and will push the limit of what counts as constitutional wherever they can, which is a perfectly sufficient nightmare and one we will be hard-pressed to correct in four years (let alone eight, god forbid).
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I didn't know Christianity was all about being spiteful and loving over other people so you can have more money. The more you learn! Let me tell you about a little something called the Prosperity Gospel...
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QuoProQuid posted:he is in office for four years. it is not possible for the president of the united states to avoid the press for four years. Didn't the Bush administration black bag people, torture them, and drop them off naked in other countries? Now imagine a worse person in charge who said things like he would have ordered US sailors to fire on Iranian ships for taunting. (And that it wouldn't cause war.) We don't know what the floor for this administration looks like yet.
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Pollyanna posted:So, NPR's aired a couple interviews recently with alt-right figures and white supremacists. People are claiming that doing so is normalizing their speech and therefore giving neo-nazi speech legitimacy. I'm inclined to agree, personally. Sponsorship or funding changes of shows, which affects who controls the programming and messaging. I forgot who coined this new NPR acronym but it was funny to me at least. NPR = Nice Polite Republicans
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I didn't know Christianity was all about being spiteful and loving over other people so you can have more money. The more you learn!
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The lesson of the NPR thing is that live interviews are garbage, and Steve Inskeep is not a good journalist.
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But seriously, live interviews are garbage journalism done by idiots because they get huge ratings. Any reporter stupid enough to do one should be sent back to a freshman media writing class.
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Also daily reminder that Trump lost the popular vote and is going to enter office with sub-40 approval ratings.
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Stultus Maximus posted:That's a far cry from what I was responding to, Did you not even read the quoted text? quote:In Colorado, the Douglas County School Board used the charter school law to create a shell charter school that then packaged the state money into vouchers for private (mainly religious) schools. Further, in the 1990s, a small number of charter schools were started by Christian churches or church-affiliated groups. Church leaders direct some charter schools, and some charters lease facilities from church groups represented by the founder or charter school director. Over the past 15 years, there has been a growing number of charter schools catering to Islamic minorities, and there are growing networks of Hebrew charter schools serving the Jewish community. That is literally using the charter school system to funnel public funds to private schools with no restrictions against religious teaching.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I dunno, AARP has been surprisingly staunch on the topic in the past. Their rhetoric long ago can be described as staunch but recently they've softened their position a whole lot. They're are basically an insurance company now and have been in opposition to anything that may take that away. Why they opposed the public-option and single payer. My larger point was if you think we can depend on the AARP to save medicare and social security from privatization, then that's just not the case anymore.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:52
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Trabisnikof posted:Did you not even read the quoted text? One instance. One county. Of all the things to hate charters for, this is rare enough to not devote any mental energy to. Like, if you'e going to write your state rep or mayor about charter schools it would not be productive to include things about how they teach creationism.
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Apparently for-profit universities' stocks all went up the other day, can't imagine why? It's disappointing because Obama's reforms had these stupid scam colleges on the ropes, and now an actual founder of a terrible for-profit college scam is now going to be POTUS, so I expect them to come roaring back in no time. If you are running a charter school or a for-profit college you are probably cheering Trump's election, I would imagine.
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Stultus Maximus posted:That's a far cry from what I was responding to, This is absolutely a thing, coming from someone who was raised in private creationist schools and heard them talk all the time about trying to open charter schools to teach their beliefs.
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Pollyanna posted:I just want someone to have enough balls to go "hey, this poo poo is wrong, and I won't stand for it", especially since the Democrats are already bending the knee to the Trump administration. The news isn't meant to take sides. It should give you the facts and let you decide. Journalism will always be a bit biased however, since humans are biased. But if you want to listen to someone stand up to the alt-right then I suggest you listen to a pundit/commentator. I didn't hear the interview, but.. Trabisnikof posted:Bob gave the dude enough rope to hang himself. Sounds like they did their job. I don't know where you guys get off thinking they have a republican lean? I listen to them in the car and all it was constantly carrying water for Hillary and Trump bashing. They are known for their liberal slant. I think you guys just think they aren't hard enough liberal. And since they don't take every possible chance and bash the republicans they must be in the tank for them... America has a decent history of listening to both sides, and allowing even the dumbest viewpoints space to be heard. But especially something funded by the government, isn't going to go all out against a political party. They don't want their funding cut.
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Fojar38 posted:Also daily reminder that Trump lost the popular vote and is going to enter office with sub-40 approval ratings. Which matters very little since the Republicans will do whatever they can to prop him up to woo his base while they gleefully pass all the horrible ideas they've been held back from for so long. He'd have to do something so monstrously stupid that it somehow manages to anger enough white people (the only ones that really matter electorally as of now) to get them to risk themselves by not bending knee to our new overload. That's before he gets his evil flunkies/puppet masters into power over every agency.
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Just wanna put this here for funzies.quote:In Depressed Rural Kentucky, Worries Mount Over Medicaid Cutbacks
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I didn't know Christianity was all about being spiteful and loving over other people so you can have more money. The more you learn! Friend, have you heard about this thing called the Catholic Church, literally the biggest pyramid scheme in the world?
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Fojar38 posted:Also daily reminder that Trump lost the popular vote and is going to enter office with sub-40 approval ratings. Mandates and political capital mean very little when you have control of two branches of government and are poised to contest a third. The GOP is going to bend over backwards to work with Trump because this is their first chance in a decade to push their legislative agenda into a friendly White House. This is especially true since the Republicans have almost nothing to lose in 2018.
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"Never forget" means: it sounded insane and unbelievable in 1932, too. In fact, it sounded insane and unbelievable until 1945, when padlocks were cut. To the average German, Jews were simply something no longer an inconvenience or irritant, no longer present, deported or imprisoned or something, who knows, along with the Communists and homosexuals.
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QuoProQuid posted:he is in office for four years. it is not possible for the president of the united states to avoid the press for four years. 1st, there is no law saying the President has to answer a question or hold a press conference. He can do what he pleases, especially if he gives no fucks about reelection or other Republicans. 2nd, Bush II enacted blatantly unconstitutional detention and torture programs and they are still being actively defended a decade later.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just wanna put this here for funzies. I read that article (on NPR, right? http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/19/502580120/in-depressed-rural-kentucky-worries-mount-over-medicaid-cutbacks), and don't see those bolded parts.
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CapMoron posted:I read that article (on NPR, right? http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/19/502580120/in-depressed-rural-kentucky-worries-mount-over-medicaid-cutbacks), and don't see those bolded parts. Was about to say the same thing, what the heck Leon Trotsky
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just wanna put this here for funzies.  I mean, what else can you even say? How do you reach someone so incredibly dense? Okay so I guess it was fake?
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Stultus Maximus posted:One instance. One county. And in Texas, among other places. Here's one older article on the subjuect being taught in Louisiana: http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...boards_and.html I'm not sure what you're basing your claims on but you are factually wrong. Charter schools teaching garbage like creationism is far more common than it has any right to be. Paradoxish posted:Mandates and political capital mean very little when you have control of two branches of government and are poised to contest a third. The GOP is going to bend over backwards to work with Trump because this is their first chance in a decade to push their legislative agenda into a friendly White House. This is especially true since the Republicans have almost nothing to lose in 2018. Especially considering how much harder they're going to make voting for poor and minority groups over the next two years now that they're seeing real returns on the effort and will get back to having a SCOTUS majority that will back all sorts of awful poo poo they've been pushing.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Just wanna put this here for funzies. This is where the beginning of rollbacks will occur and it won't require congressional republicans to do it.
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Quorum posted:This is correct. Trump and the congressional Republicans are going to do every constitutional bad thing you can think of and will push the limit of what counts as constitutional wherever they can, which is a perfectly sufficient nightmare and one we will be hard-pressed to correct in four years (let alone eight, god forbid). In 2008, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger promised to "sweep out the bureaucracy" and tried to do so by unilaterally reducing every state employee's salary to the minimum wage. this order was halted by an obscure bureaucrat who refused the order because it violated the Fair Labor Standards Act. Though Schwarzenegger sued, the order was never carried out. In 1973, Richard Nixon tried to use the federal government to destroy his political opponents and cover up his involvement. He was subsequently ravaged by all parties. Both his attorney general and deputy attorney general resigned from office rather than participate in a blatant cover-up. The press uncovered multiple abuses of power. Impeachment proceedings had bipartisan support. I have no doubt that the next few years are going to be hard and brutish. Nor do I deny that Trump has demonstrated authoritarian tendencies. I just have faith in the ability of democratic institutions to resist those tendencies and fight back. Hieronymous Alloy posted:1st, there is no law saying the President has to answer a question or hold a press conference. He can do what he pleases, especially if he gives no fucks about reelection or other Republicans. of course he isn't required to answer questions or hold a press conference. there would, however, be political consequences if the president was seen avoiding the press like a scared child. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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As an informed voter, I'm going to vote for the guy who said he's going to do the opposite of what I want him to do under the assumption that he was just kidding. I'm literally Frieda Lockaby of Kentucky.
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Fojar38 posted:As an informed voter, I'm going to vote for the guy who said he's going to do the opposite of what I want him to do under the assumption that he was just kidding. I'm literally Frieda Lockaby of Kentucky. Yeah, so I'm a doctor in Kentucky. Most of my day is spent keeping those people chugging on. Next week I'll be in a nice rural hospital where the average patient age is around 88 or so, some of the friendliest patients in the state. They all voted trump.
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That's why it was for funzies. I just wanted to see how long it would take before we turned on poor people again and hopefully derail the Trump Nazi Germany fanfic that has been going on for the last two pages. I know it's the weekend, but c'mon. In actual news: Keith Ellison rolled out 35 new endorsements from major cabinest members, congressmen, and union leaders. https://keithfordnc.org/news/ The Hill reports that he has basically sowed it up and that Nancy Pelosi has more than 2/3 of the House Caucus behind her to re-elect her to minority leader. Ben Ray Luján is likely going to stay on as DCCC chair if Nancy Pelosi wins again.
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HorseRenoir posted:The arguments that the whole Hamilton thing is a distraction from the Trump U settlement are really dumb to me. Trump isn't a 7th dimensional chessmaster, he's just an idiot with a fragile ego who reacts to everything equally. He is not a normal person with normal priorities like "not getting caught doing openly corrupt things". And even if he was, the past year has shown that no one really gives a poo poo if Trump does openly corrupt things anyway. I would say the real truth is even dumber. I found a WSJ blog post that mentioned both tweets in context of each other and the comment section was literally 99.9% bullshit slapfighting over the Hamilton whatever. People want tabloids and they elected the eagle king of them.
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Fojar38 posted:You're overestimating the reach of Breitbart and Drudge. If Trump does that he's conceding control of the narrative to the establishment and mainstream media. Not sure he cares, or that it matters. Pop quiz: when was his last open press conference
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