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Ciaphas posted:a coworker of mine mentioned stored procs are the devil's rear end in a top hat wrt portability, i.e. stored procs are the main reason we're all totally stuck on oracle db even though we all hate it and would benefit from a move to mssql i think your real problem here might actually be Oracle
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yeah, the problem with sprocs is that they make it so easy to use vendor-specific features we're stuck with mssql forever since we have an assload of procs that depend heavily on tsql syntax and features. it doesn't help that our business logic lives almost entirely in the db
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Nov 19, 2016 23:14
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database server portability is an illusion anyway. writing sql that can actually run correctly on every relational database server is a nightmare. the common subset of functionality is surprisingly restrictive because everything past sql-92 is subtly (or not so subtly) different everywhere, and a query that's fast on one implementation may be slow as poo poo on another. if you need to support different database servers, use an abstraction layer with separate implementations rather than trying to run the same sql everywhere.
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Nov 19, 2016 23:55
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SQL Server is the way, the truth, and the light though
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Plorkyeran posted:database server portability is an illusion anyway. writing sql that can actually run correctly on every relational database server is a nightmare. the common subset of functionality is surprisingly restrictive because everything past sql-92 is subtly (or not so subtly) different everywhere, and a query that's fast on one implementation may be slow as poo poo on another. yeah we don't actually plan or ever need per se to migrate away from Oracle, we just culturally hate dealing with it This may or may not be related to our DBAs being lazy turds
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:i think your real problem here might actually be Oracle
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my biggest failing as a terrible programmer that i can identify is i'm bad at architecture like, i can debug and solve small problems and given a specific task i can write code pretty well but ask me to plan out a project in any significant way (even at the level of "should we use an ORM or raw sql and should that sql be in stored procedures etc") and I freeze up
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Nov 20, 2016 00:50
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Ciaphas posted:my biggest failing as a terrible programmer that i can identify is i'm bad at architecture how long have you been doing this? that's totally normal for a surprisingly long part of your career.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:57
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jony neuemonic posted:how long have you been doing this? that's totally normal for a surprisingly long part of your career. Graduated college nine years ago and been working at my current job for eight (previous job doesn't count because it was lotus notes development l o l)
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Nov 20, 2016 01:29
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Ciaphas posted:my biggest failing as a terrible programmer that i can identify is i'm bad at architecture I have this issue, my approach to architecture is to just start building the thing and when the architectural problems become obvious and painful, rebuild it and keep going I suspect the problem is not having built enough different things overall
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Nov 20, 2016 01:33
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Ciaphas posted:lotus notes development go on ...
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Nov 20, 2016 01:57
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my first job as a dev was maintaining a rat's nest of financial reports written in VBA
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Nov 20, 2016 02:04
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lotta unironic Sybase love ITT
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study existing architecture. the architecture of open source software free books are good
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Ciaphas posted:Graduated college nine years ago and been working at my current job for eight (previous job doesn't count because it was lotus notes development l o l) eh i mean, yeah i would expect someone nearing ten years to have an alright handle on architecture but everyone's experience is different. is your job giving you good opportunities to learn and grow? (full disclosure, i'm only on year three so there's a good chance i have no idea what i'm talking about).
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http://www.aosabook.org/en/
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jony neuemonic posted:eh i mean, yeah i would expect someone nearing ten years to have an alright handle on architecture but everyone's experience is different. is your job giving you good opportunities to learn and grow? no for a whole host of reasons but one of the main ones IMO is that 99% of my work is done on a secure network with zero internet access and zero external media allowed, which means opportunities to try new things, look other things up, etc are virtually nonexistent there is also never any money for training (and i'm including poo poo like reference books here, not just classes) for our group so among a group of six responsible for maintaining a 750kloc C++ app, i'm the only one who knows enough about it to debug and troubleshoot hell half the team doesn't even know how to crack open the debugger, be it post mortem or otherwise so even if i had 'net at my desk most of my work time is spent trying to keep our 20 year old c++ application (first written for SGI, later ported to Solaris in 2006(!), ported to Linux/Intel in 2014 but again no money so the new hardware is conspicuously absent) breathing Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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on the plus side i can skate right to retirement in that job if i don't kill myself first, it takes special effort to get fired
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boy writing that made me realize how badly stunted i am if alcohol didn't taste like total butt to me for some reason i'd be deep in my cups rn Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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oh hey, one's about eclipse which i am working with. neat.
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Ciaphas posted:
1) if you are the smartest person in the room (and it sounds like you are), find a new room 2) it sounds like poo poo would explode without you. Ask your boss for more Benjamins. If they say no, find a new job. If they say yes, also find a new job using your new higher salary for leverage
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Nov 20, 2016 04:40
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Ciaphas posted:on the plus side i can skate right to retirement in that job if i don't kill myself first, it takes special effort to get fired Otoh there's no shame in this if you just want to gently caress off at 5 with your paycheck and live your life. However, given the above, still ask for more money
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3) never accept the counter offer
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the counter-offer is good for two things. First is figuring out if they were paying you as much as they could or if they were happy to pay you less than they thought you were worth for a long period of time. The second thing is that you don't accept it because it's a resentment machine and can only use it to negotiate for more at a new job you're looking to switch for already.
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Ciaphas posted:for a whole host of reasons but one of the main ones IMO is that 99% of my work is done on a secure network with zero internet access and zero external media allowed why?
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Nov 20, 2016 08:03
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St Evan Echoes posted:3) never accept the counter offer Also this. Never tell your boss you're looking or going to look or are thinking about looking for a new job until you are giving your two weeks notice. After you give your notice, allow nothing to convince you to stay.
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eschaton posted:why? I didn't get the job, and it was kind of a relief, since I think that would've been stressful as a sophomore in college. the position called for stuff I'd never even touched, so I was kind of surprised they even gave me an interview. it was in the same city my sister was in at the time, and the interview was around christmas, so I half used it as a way to just travel for free and drive back home with my sister.
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eschaton posted:lotta unironic Sybase love ITT Put Oracle and Sybase side by side and Sybase wins every time IMO. gently caress oracle.
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Ciaphas posted:so even if i had 'net at my desk most of my work time is spent trying to keep our 20 year old c++ application (first written for SGI, later ported to Solaris in 2006(!), ported to Linux/Intel in 2014 but again no money so the new hardware is conspicuously absent) breathing wait what, they have enough $ to pay a team of 6 to maintain this clusterfuck but couldn't shell out for new hardware at any point in the last two years?
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lol they found some demos on Aminet that detect if you're running them in WinUAE, call you a lamer and format your emulated hard drive
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lmao stored procedures
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travelling wave posted:wait what, they have enough $ to pay a team of 6 to maintain this clusterfuck but couldn't shell out for new hardware at any point in the last two years? Opex vs capex my dude
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currently C++-ifying my Amiga sprite code did you know that if you give AddVSprite a pointer to an invalid VSprite struct it crashes WinUAE with a system status dump and error message in German? neither did I still haven't figured out why the OS crashes when I drag my window around
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Ciaphas posted:on the plus side i can skate right to retirement in that job if i don't kill myself first, it takes special effort to get fired get a new job unlike really top shelf therapy this advice is free
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St Evan Echoes posted:3) never accept the counter offer never ever ever ever ever ever ever AMA my lawsuit, or dont cause nda
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:get a new job ironically being central to operations not exploding is working against me in my own head some of my coworkers i consider friends despite their ah lack of aptitude and i'd feel mad guilt giving two weeks and leaving them with the fallout of a dead gay system (e) that and thinking of interviewing again gives me hives but that's just me being a baby
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Ciaphas posted:ironically being central to operations not exploding is working against me in my own head 
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Ciaphas posted:ironically being central to operations not exploding is working against me in my own head fear for personal reasons, i get, but fear of leaving your coworkers high and dry? gently caress that. every last one of those motherfuckers will leave you out to dry if they get a better offer and they won't think twice. ive seen it happen a billion times. doesn't matter how many times they signed your office birthday card, theyre not your friends. do you talk about sex stuff? no? youre not friends.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:fear for personal reasons, i get, but fear of leaving your coworkers high and dry? gently caress that. every last one of those motherfuckers will leave you out to dry if they get a better offer and they won't think twice. ive seen it happen a billion times. doesn't matter how many times they signed your office birthday card, theyre not your friends. do you talk about sex stuff? no? youre not friends. well there is one that meets that friend definition  but he's in a different-but-related group and we've already told each other how fast we'd bail given the opportunityso yeah i just need to get over myself lol
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Ciaphas posted:ironically being central to operations not exploding is working against me in my own head give more than 2 weeks then
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