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Battle Royale Baby posted:I'm going to say this again: the issue was not "big data". Mook and Podesta never even bothered to check whether the analytics they were creating had any basis in reality. the check was public polling and private internals from public polling. like if they had internals for PA saying C+8 and PPP or Qpac were saying T+2, yeah it'd be really easy to blame them. Nobody was sitting around reading bill Mitchell and yelling "we need to get ground game into people's hearts!!!"
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Grondoth posted:It was unfathomable arrogance B..but..it was her turn!
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Reminder https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/800152687471771648
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol didn't matty yglesias study classics too because they get jobs for saying what people want them to say and not because they have any idea what the gently caress they're talking about also god forbid you actually do have training in an appropriate discipline and are forced to work with those fuckers
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol didn't matty yglesias study classics too philosophy iirc
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francis fukuyama studied under derrida, didn't like him, and managed to become an even bigger joke, eventually coming to be interviewed by ezra klein this year. the circle is complete.
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Not a Step posted:Inflation is actually good though friend. Inflation increases the cost of holding money and makes investment more attractive. Companies routinely sit on cash stockpiles because they don't know what to do with it and there's no real downside to holding cash, or maybe treasury bonds. Higher inflation would drive investment (or flight, I guess, but there aren't a whole lot of major investment opportunities elsewhere right now, and even with all the turmoil the American dollar is still the safest currency on Earth, well, unless lol Trump) of corporate America's liquid holdings. That was one of the weak points of QE: It doesnt matter how much liquid cash you pump into the market if no one is interested in making new investments with it. Inflation is also good for debtors because they can pay back debts with inflated money, so it helps reduce the effective interest rate for *currently existing* loans. New loans (or variable rate loans) will have the current rate of inflation priced in, causing bigger numbers that work out to basically the same rate as now. The Fed has spent too long overfocusing on keeping inflation down, probably because the Fed is driven more by concerns for Wall Street than anything else. *Some* inflation is actually good and necessary for an economic system! *No* inflation in a system leads to hiding money under your mattress being one of the safest things you can do, which in turn leads to a breakdown of the fractional reserve system that underpins basically all of modern everything. Oh yeah I get that inflation is good for investment, especially good for debtors, and frustrating for creditors. My concern about inflation was only regarding a static increase in the min wage, which, if they know or plan for inflation to occur, the republicans may push for as a "win" for Trump's presidency, only to see the increase in wage wiped out by the coming inflation. Inflation will be great for millennials with student loan debt, IF their wages increase with it. I'll note that the banks have spent the last eight years foreclosing on people's home and hoarding them, so they might just be ready to pull that trigger.
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Like bringing a new perspective to a field can be good Yglesias's article that the US government has weaker institutions than many think and may face a constitutional crisis very soon was a hot take against the grain. I liked it tho and in retrospect it seems sort of prophetic How the gently caress he became known, like mook, as a numbers guy is weird. Like, from what I remember of 2008 retrospectives is that mook ran a disciplined campaign that kept good track of its progress. Which is great, but doesn't make him an expert involving anything with a spreadsheet
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Yglesias was also one of the guys saying the Dems are hosed if they can't get any down ballot victories over a year ago. He's more wrong than right and he can be insufferable though.
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Yglesias is fine. Mook can kiss my rear end
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theflyingexecutive posted:the check was public polling and private internals from public polling. like if they had internals for PA saying C+8 and PPP or Qpac were saying T+2, yeah it'd be really easy to blame them. Nobody was sitting around reading bill Mitchell and yelling "we need to get ground game into people's hearts!!!" The check should have been "if polling was X and if we did Y effort, we should have Z". Target can loving determine by shopping habits if someone is preggers or not. You can have supremely effective fraud analytics on cc purchases happening on a scale of hundreds to thousands of times per second. But a loving guy literally named Mook somehow sets up a system that promotes voting to the wrong kind of people that he wants and he gets a pass because of bad data that he utilized. It's him. He hosed up SO loving BAD he literally has hosed over data analytics for Democrats for the next election cycle at least
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People who have degrees may have been competent to handle unreasonable work loads, but specialization in winning national elections should have been a much bigger factor when trying to hire for the position Mook filled.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/world/europe/russia-hacker-vladimir-fomenko-king-servers.html Russian hacker identified in the DNC leak apparently~ Apparently he's welcoming FBI investigation but there hasn't been contact?  They say it raises questions, but not really because ComeyIdk if this is completely credible and verified but I thought it was an amusing read.
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I'd like to toss an asterisk on the ground game "sucking"--while there were obviously some batshit decisions on the national level as to where to send resources, south florida turned out people like crazy. Like, old-school shave-them-and-get-them-back-in-the-booth crazy. That the state was lost due to the west coast going "eh, gently caress her" is another issue. Just goes to show that the tools and the data was there if motivated/the right people could get ahold of it.
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Venom Snake posted:Yglesias is fine. Mook can kiss my rear end Yglesias once argued that third world sweatshops were okay because that means we get goods cheaper. He's the dictionary definition of a lanyard yanking neoliberal shithead and he should loving die
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LinYutang posted:this is more lol reporting on clinton's Most Excellent Ground Game Powered By Ada So basically Clinton ignored the working class like she always has and would have during her presidency. At least Trump may accidentally revive local manufacturing when global trade falls apart and fracking becomes profitable again during the Iran War on Islam.
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Segmentation Fault posted:Yglesias once argued that third world sweatshops were okay because that means we get goods cheaper. He's the dictionary definition of a lanyard yanking neoliberal shithead and he should loving die if were judging people on a sliding scale I'll take someone who can admit they were wrong over someone whose head is so far up his rear end he breathes methane. Maybe my tolerance for poo poo head is tuned wrong I guess
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:At least Trump may accidentally revive local manufacturing when global trade falls apart lol
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LinYutang posted:this is more lol reporting on clinton's Most Excellent Ground Game Powered By Ada The WI GOP gerrymandered the democrats into three districts: WI-02 (Pocan), WI-03 (Kind), and WI-04 (Moore). This is Madison, Driftless Area, and Milwaukee respectively. GUESS WHICH ONE WENT TRUMP THIS YEAR! Also WI-03 was lucky enough that no one had anyone running against Kind. Rural WI dems in WI-03 didn't turn out this year like they did for every other election since 84.
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trump will NTO SAVE THW ORLD says increasingly nersiouv man for the 8 TRIOLLIONED time this year
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Baloogan posted:trump will NTO SAVE THW ORLD says increasingly nersiouv man for the 8 TRIOLLIONED time this year So, how many drinks tonight?
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Baloogan posted:trump will NTO SAVE THW ORLD says increasingly nersiouv man for the 8 TRIOLLIONED time this year meme
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iospace posted:So, how many drinks tonight?  woot, nuff
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how???????? the dems arent interested in what i have to say unless i have lots of money for them
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Baloogan posted:
none of those are opened 
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If you aren't making blind russians in honor of Russia meddling in getting Trump elected, shame.
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Grondoth posted:Politics sucks but it ain't gonna get any better unless non-sucky people are involved smart people don't go into politics because it's a giant loving waste of their intelligence because it's terrible so we're doomed to a vicious cycle
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triple sulk posted:smart people don't go into politics because it's a giant loving waste of their intelligence because it's terrible so we're doomed to a vicious cycle maybe we need a new system
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Pollyanna posted:how???????? the dems arent interested in what i have to say unless i have lots of money for them State and local 4ever Do the Democrats have a city or county office? For example, I've got a [#name] County Democrats with a decent websites, meetings when I'm working and nothing really planned in terms of activism.
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Oxxidation posted:i'm in NJ, reliably blue, and even my local democratic party hasn't updated its news or website since 2014 exactly this. i doubt the republicans are as hollowed out as the democrats. they probably have fuckoff ground game. and even if they don't, it's still better than the democrats if you represent a constituency you represent it for as long as you've been elected, you can't loving ignore it. it's a goddamn full-time job, not an easy way into money
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Raskolnikov38 posted:none of those are opened i assume u a couple are open now
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Pollyanna posted:exactly this. i doubt the republicans are as hollowed out as the democrats. they probably have fuckoff ground game. and even if they don't, it's still better than the democrats The republicans have better ground game than the democrats. Why? BECAUSE IT EXISTS EVERY TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF FOUR
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It'd be nice to help a local party takeover the state. Then WA could unceasingly agitate for a parliamentary system with an IRV voting system or something.
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Accretionist posted:State and local 4ever in my place, not in a very accessible manner, and i don't know if i want to get involved with them anyway. i've been turned off from them as a result of this election.
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triple sulk posted:smart people don't go into politics because it's a giant loving waste of their intelligence because it's terrible so we're doomed to a vicious cycle Can I ironically get involved with Texas Republicans and gently caress their poo poo up by being a crazy jackass instead of helping the Democrats? That seems more fun. Heck, I might even be president one day.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Can I ironically get involved with Texas Republicans and gently caress their poo poo up by being a crazy jackass instead of helping the Democrats? That seems more fun. Heck, I might even be president one day. quoting future president
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