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Deimus
Aug 17, 2012

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

That might be a good explanation if the question were why Western Europe has universal healthcare and the US does not.

*Raises hand* Will this question be on the final?

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Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Allusions to Marx and half-baked attempts to imitate his methods of analysis do not suffice.

There is an element of truth to your criticism; class is so consistently overlooked in bourgeois ideology, that once people realize its importance, they sometimes get overeager and let it eclipse other struggles in a kind of economic determinism. There's even a term for this: "vulgar Marxism." It's generally a phase, and a contingent one at that; I don't think I've ever seen it manifest outside of white people, for example.

That said, your smugness remains entirely unearned.

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





I never really got into Hardt/Negri's Empire, do they try to apply Marx to 90's globalism, or is it primarily about Gramsci and Deleuze?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Aeolius posted:

That said, your smugness remains entirely unearned.

What thread do you think you're posting in?

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

What thread do you think you're posting in?

the Party for Socialism and Liberation thread *pushes up glasses*

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
Should I just rename the thread to "communism chat" or something since the election is over

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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logikv9 posted:

Should I just rename the thread to "communism chat" or something since the election is over

Manly Marxist Meme Makers

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

logikv9 posted:

Should I just rename the thread to "communism chat" or something since the election is over

the psl is still a political party last i checked

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Homework Explainer posted:

the psl is still a political party last i checked

not after trump implements the new house unamerican activities committee

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

What thread do you think you're posting in?

I don't see "threads"; just a spiraling continuum of garbage opinions.

Strom Thermos
Sep 18, 2004

Peens Swingin' Limply

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

Pollyanna posted:

Where is the future of American politics going, anyway?

Redistribution of resources, hopefully via starving, diseased mobs instead of government programs.

Marx Headroom fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Nov 20, 2016

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Mr. Jive posted:

Redistribution of resources, hopefully via government programs instead of starving, diseased mobs.

Hah, you accidentally wrote the order of preference backward, ib4 edit.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT
Starving, diseased mob here. Let's try Jive's way first (but with the understanding via history that it's unlikely to work)

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

What thread do you think you're posting in?

Pictured: every smug marxist in this thread.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Aeolius posted:

I don't see "threads"; just a spiraling continuum of garbage opinions.

dont sign your posts, comrade

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub
If you're trying to take me to task for letting rococo off easy I understand, but I'm trying to be nice since they said they are getting involved

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Deimus posted:

Pictured: every smug marxist in this thread.



Why are your memes so terrible.

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012
oh sorry, too much facebook

Deimus fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Nov 20, 2016

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Basically move to rural Poughkeepsie, and be prepared to piss against the wind for ten years. Scratch that, until you die.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

I thought Buffalo was a pretty nice city myself

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


The Left needs more good-looking people before it can organize or do jack poo poo.

Good luck sending an army of chicken-necked nu-males with lovely beards into rural or working-class America.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Lift For Lenin

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


keep your fancy poo poo like "qualifications" to yourself, smartypants

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

keep your fancy poo poo like "qualifications" to yourself, smartypants

We should only listen to the most qualified people in the room *falls down stairs* poo poo! WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING!?

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

We should only listen to the most qualified people in the room *falls down stairs* poo poo! WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING!?

i only trust people dumber than me to lead

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

i only trust people dumber than me to lead

Son, have you been in a coma the last 2 weeks?

Hillary Clinton betrayed her most dedicated supporters in their darkest hour, by sending John Podesta to tell them all to go home. Qualifications mean gently caress all when it comes to being a leader.

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Nov 20, 2016

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Qualifications mean gently caress all when it comes to being a leader.

What makes this worse than a "it can't get worse" trump supporter is that you want government leaders running almost everything.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
Note that this isnt actually saying not to learn anything or to be stupid on purpose or whatever, just not to open an organizing spiel with your loving resume, or condescend to people about their situation. But someone's got to be a dumbass and try to derail things.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Note that this isnt actually saying not to learn anything or to be stupid on purpose or whatever, just not to open an organizing spiel with your loving resume, or condescend to people about their situation. But someone's got to be a dumbass and try to derail things.

I think "if you're not smarter than the people you're organizing and never will be, why are you the one organizing them" is a legitimate question

I mean don't open with your resume and condescend but your resume should probably be in there somewhere

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

"as you all know, i'm extremely loving dumb" the pillar of the community said, passionately banging his fist onto the podium "in fact i'm way dumber than everyone here, I don't know poo poo" he added, to raucous applause

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



What they're saying is don't act condescending Jesus Christ you guys are pedantic.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

What they're saying is don't act condescending Jesus Christ you guys are pedantic.

i'm not sure it's pedantry when the paper literally says "you're dumber than they are"

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Note that this isnt actually saying not to learn anything or to be stupid on purpose or whatever, just not to open an organizing spiel with your loving resume, or condescend to people about their situation. But someone's got to be a dumbass and try to derail things.

Something of an aside but I've basically never seen a coherent anti-elitist/anti-establishment stance that doesn't result in massive collateral damage. It's especially bad for the leftist who tries just as hard to sew the seeds mistrust in the system but actually wants to replace it with an arguably more elitist centralized system. But if people don't trust basic elements of democratic society that amounts to salting your own earth.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
im gonna just lol all day and all night at the thought of cruddy coastal communists going rural and trying to gain the trust of peeps out here

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Baloogan posted:

im gonna just lol all day and all night at the thought of cruddy coastal communists going rural and trying to gain the trust of peeps out here

my dangly earring and tight pants are gonna be a home run in rural mississippi and i think i'll finally have the proletariat organized if i can just yell at enough people about saying "illegal immigrant" instead of "undocumented worker"

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

KaptainKrunk posted:

The Left needs more good-looking people before it can organize or do jack poo poo.

Good luck sending an army of chicken-necked nu-males with lovely beards into rural or working-class America.

Rural and working class America has plenty of weird looking people and lovely beards.

We just have to force leftists to wear tap out or carhartt gear and we'll be fine.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

KaptainKrunk posted:

The Left needs more good-looking people before it can organize or do jack poo poo.

Greetings.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I've lived in "rural" Oklahoma and Arkansas all my adult life. We are out there~

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