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RandomBlue posted:Yeah, but people with low incomes the subsidies lower the price by a large margin, I've heard $50/month for some people. There are also a lot of exemptions (due to income below required tax filing mount, religious objections, you suffered a hardship getting insurance, insurance would cost more than 10% of your income, etc..), more info: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/beware-of-the-2016-obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-2015-10-27 Ah okay. Thanks for the info. I guess OOP would still suck but at that point at least you get the treatment first so yeah that sounds worth it.
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Kilroy posted:gently caress I thought Trump was going to bring jack-booted thugs turns out he's just going to Whining victimhood is what allows jackbooted thugs full support of the public convinced that they are so wronged by being denied full control. It's worked so well for Republicans, so I can't see that changing unless the US magically gets a clue.
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Peven Stan posted:Melania and Barron Trump won't be moving to the White House I wonder how the internet connection is at the white house vs Floor 66
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Peven Stan posted:Melania and Barron Trump won't be moving to the White House Can they actually even do that? Can't the Secret Service just tell them "gently caress off, we don't have the manpower to choke off several square blocks of Manhattan for the forseeable future"?
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I mean, more and more Americans are telecommuting, Trump's just living the dream of his alt-right supporters and running the world like an RTS from the comfort of his own Edit: and why would the secret service be worried? Not like an ostentatious building in New York has ever made a spectacular target before.
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Kilroy posted:gently caress I thought Trump was going to bring jack-booted thugs turns out he's just going to good news friend, he's going to use his whining as a smokescreen to cover up/justify the jackbooted thugs you get the best of both worlds!
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I look forward to Trump moving the capital to New York City so he can move the federal government into buildings he owns in and rent them floorspace at insane prices
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If Trump even allows White House Correspondents Dinners it's obvious he'll tailor them to punch down on his enemies. He will see it as his opportunity to get revenge against all those mean liberal comedians who attacked him. I think there needs to be a "First Amendment Celebration Dinner" held simultaneously where comedians and public figures roast the President and his administration relentlessly. Get Comedy Central to host it, and market the hell out of it to beat the official WHCD in ratings.
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Xae posted:In other news 0% of economists believe that Trumps 100 day plan will do anything to improve job prospects for the middle class. Austan Goolsbee's vote and comment history is amazing.
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disjoe posted:Austan Goolsbee's vote and comment history is amazing. Holy poo poo yes. It really brings into relief just how hosed things are.
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RandomBlue posted:I understand that $14k medical bill can be bad for many people, but I'm saying people are claiming that no insurance at all would be better than ACA insurance in ways in which ACA would bankrupt them but no insurance wouldn't. There's no legitimate case where that is true. Most of the plans cover 80% of the expenses after the deductible up to the OOP max. Shocker, one party willfully ignoring the facts or just outright lying because they've decided X is bad because the other party is for it. The argument is that if you are just going to declare bankruptcy anyway why should you put all that money into premiums instead of literally anything else? Basically why bother putting a new roof on a house on a hillside that will slide into the ocean in the first thunderstorm that comes along? There is some logic there. Most people can't absorb the Out of pocket max. Even if they can, OOP max only applies to in network charges and you can and will get hosed even if you are smart because our health care system is more twisted than any person can navigate. Say you go to an in-network hospital for emergency surgery. Oh hey turned out the anesthesiologist called in a buddy for a consult and that guy is out of network and is charging $25k! Even if you are at the OOP max this year the insurance company will only pay their in-network rates for what the guy did so you get a check for $78.04. Bankruptcy here you come. Either way you have $0 and ruined credit. You actually could be worse off because you could have invested those premiums into something shelters from bankruptcy like a 401k. Which is why we need single payer or at the very least regulations in allowable charges and a ban on balance billing (where the surgeon/hospital takes the insurance payment then comes after you for the rest).
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently Mike Pence drew lame cartoons in college? The art style of these reminds me of that lovely Neo-Nazi web comic where a white Christian kid gets adopted by an evil Jewish family.
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Yinlock posted:good news friend, he's going to use his whining as a smokescreen to cover up/justify the jackbooted thugs This. At this point I'm no longer underestimating Trump. I don't know if I'm fully on-board with the "Trump is secretly a genius" thing but whining clearly works for him as a way to distract from much worse stories so he's gonna keep doing it.
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Hey guys in case you were getting comfortable: Imagine the transition of power if Trump loses in a massive landslide in 2020 
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SunAndSpring posted:The art style of these reminds me of that lovely Neo-Nazi web comic where a white Christian kid gets adopted by an evil Jewish family. They remind me of that lovely Jewish comic from the politoons thread where static Ziggy-ripoffs talk about how awful Palestinians are.
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Business Gorillas posted:Hey guys in case you were getting comfortable: What transition of power?
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Business Gorillas posted:Hey guys in case you were getting comfortable: You mean the one where all the people Trump is hiring now burn everything to the ground and salt the earth behind them, and all we can do is watch?
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speng31b posted:You mean the one where all the people Trump is hiring now burn everything to the ground and salt the earth behind them, and all we can do is watch? Imagine how many emails will be deleted.
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SunAndSpring posted:The art style of these reminds me of that lovely Neo-Nazi web comic where a white Christian kid gets adopted by an evil Jewish family. Any links? Sounds hilarious.
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Kro-Bar posted:They remind me of that lovely Jewish comic from the politoons thread where static Ziggy-ripoffs talk about how awful Palestinians are. Free Johnathan Pollard! I haven't thought about Dry Bones in years...
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently Mike Pence drew lame cartoons in college? The first one is just a guy laughing because anal rape is funny.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, the high risks pools just fundamentally do not work. Wait. So, the high risk pool thing was already apart of ACA? Ryan's plan isn't something that hasn't been tried yet? Also, I know he was saying $25 Billion for it. Is that a number pulled out of his rear end or does that correspond with expected cost? How much money is expected to be needed to keep it from running out? Raccooon fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Business Gorillas posted:Hey guys in case you were getting comfortable: It'd be kind of like how between Clinton and Bush Jr, the staffers removed the W from all the keyboards, only less in the prankish sense and more in the gutting the buildings to sell the copper pipes and wiring sense.
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Deadulus posted:Wait. So, the high risk pool thing was already apart of ACA? Ryan's plan isn't something that hasn't been tried yet? Also, I know he was saying $25 Billion for it. Is that a number for pulled out of his rear end or does that correspond with expected cost? How much money is expected to be needed to keep it from running out? Paul Ryan is/was considered to be the GOP's numbers guy. He pulls every single number out of his rear end. He and Cruz have an unspoken contest going on about who can spew more lies and straight up fabrications.
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QuoProQuid posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800329364986626048 Having the president-elect make public statements like this (I don't care if it's "just" on Twitter) is no poo poo, legitimately scary.
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Deadulus posted:Wait. So, the high risk pool thing was already apart of ACA? Ryan's plan isn't something that hasn't been tried yet? Also, I know he was saying $25 Billion for it. Is that a number pulled out of his rear end or does that correspond with expected cost? How much money is expected to be needed to keep it from running out? High Risk Pools have been attempted in the past ,but it's not necessarily a part of ACA its kind of the foundation of the idea of ACA ; everyone is mandated to have insurance and you can't deny pre-existing conditions.
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Phone posted:Paul Ryan is/was considered to be the GOP's numbers guy. Reading that incidental economist article. $20 billion would be enough to handle 4 million high risk people. I assume there are a good bit more than 4 million people that are high risk. Also, is Paul Ryan's 25 billion number per year or is that spread out over several years?
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Paradoxish posted:Having the president-elect make public statements like this (I don't care if it's "just" on Twitter) is no poo poo, legitimately scary. Just wait until he's making fun of how we look standing in front of the tanks asking for "democracy".
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Deadulus posted:Reading that incidental economist article. $20 billion would be enough to handle 4 million high risk people. I assume there are a good bit more than 4 million people that are high risk. That 25 billion is spread out among all 50 states so each state I am assuming get's a proportionate amount of money to manage the high risk pools.
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Xae posted:In other news 0% of economists believe that Trumps 100 day plan will do anything to improve job prospects for the middle class. Am I crazy or are these questions written very oddly
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Hollismason posted:That 25 billion is spread out among all 50 states so each state I am assuming get's a proportionate amount of money to manage the high risk pools. And then the states can choose whether or not they want to accept the money because lol federalism.
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