|
euphronius posted:Reading into it a bit the fake news poo poo is really bad . I don't even know what can be done. People like and want fake news Gotta do the only thing Demcrats are good at, banning things for dubious gain. Sorry "The Onion" this world is too gay for you to be allowed.
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 21:42 |
|
|
Hmm is there room to say fake news played a part and also Hillary made errors Or no .
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:47
|
|
|
loquacius posted:I really want to go back in time, barge into DNC headquarters, plop down a "PRESIDENT TRUMP" headline and a printout of this thread on their conference room table, say "BEWARE HUBRIS", and then fade into nothingness like a spooky socialism ghost Until progressives stop putting more than 10%-20% of the blame on the DNC for the primary we will never win one Bernie didn't campaign well and all the fixing by the DNC didn't change that. The DNC is horrifically corrupt and I am glad most of their ranks have been drastically gutted but god drat I feel like both sides are missing the forest for the trees in the postmortem and that really worries me. The last thing we need to do, coming away from this election, is learn the wrong lesson (or worse, nothing at all)
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:48
|
|
|
I will not argue against the point that Bernie didn't campaign well, because he didn't. He did the whole Internet-celebrity thing very very well, and successfully played it into tons of money and publicity, but his ground game was even worse than HRC's general-election ground game and he declared way too late to build a big enough profile to overcome his weaknesses with the over-35 centrists that form the majority of the primary's voterbase in the South. The dialer software did a lot to counteract this but it wasn't enough. I think he's much more comfortable in his current role as Resistance Leader than he was as a presidential candidate.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:52
|
|
|
are you all referencing an old fulchrum post or did he come back, i probate for primary salt both ways you know
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
Mirthless posted:Until progressives stop putting more than 10%-20% of the blame on the DNC for the primary we will never win one You are correct. Gentle goons, we must kill the one known as "Mook". Only then will justice prevail.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
Like I don't get it. Why would you say something that would be a genuine great thing that would help literally everyone, would "never ever come to pass"? You can be realistic and say the environment right now makes it unlikely, but there isn't some kind of magic that allows other countries to have something that would be impossible for us. Plus even on a the "pragmatic" politician level, why would you potentially paint yourself into a corner? Let's say in alt-verse 2024 we got Universal Health Care passed through the congress. Well President Clinton would be the only person on earth that couldn't take credit for it. Does she really only think ahead like 6 months or something?
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
logikv9 posted:are you all referencing an old fulchrum post or did he come back, i probate for primary salt both ways you know The one I just quoted was from 3 pages ago and this morning
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Reading into it a bit the fake news poo poo is really bad . I don't even know what can be done. People like and want fake news the dumbest poo poo is zuckerberg acting like it aint no thang.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:54
|
|
|
loquacius posted:The one I just quoted was from 3 pages ago and this morning there he's dead now
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:55
|
|
|
NumberLast posted:It's weird, because I live in Idaho and the local party chapter's website is great. A button to sign up automatically for a newsletter, a calendar with events that has 3-4 per month for the next few months. Yeah cool their website is great, what about their events? Last time I was in Boise, leftist demonstrations were kind of rare
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:56
|
|
|
Groovelord Neato posted:the dumbest poo poo is zuckerberg acting like it aint no thang. P sure he has a fiduciary duty to not gently caress over his company so this isn't surprising at all.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:56
|
|
|
Groovelord Neato posted:the dumbest poo poo is zuckerberg acting like it aint no thang. hmm why am I not surprised a giant webcorp doesn't care about the reality based community....
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:56
|
|
|
isn't coke man peter thiel still on their board of directors or something
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:57
|
|
|
speng31b posted:P sure he has a fiduciary duty to not gently caress over his company so this isn't surprising at all. Eh that's a very lax duty. He could spin it as self censoring to prevent gov regulation
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:58
|
|
|
bring back the facebook editorial team
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 18:59
|
|
|
blamegame posted:hmm why am I not surprised a giant webcorp* doesn't care about the reality based community.... *run by a conservative zuck is pretty obviously a Republican, there is a reason he is not too broke up about Trump winning or Facebook's role in it
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:00
|
|
|
Powercrazy posted:Gotta do the only thing Demcrats are good at, banning things for dubious gain. You may be fake posting but the onion and fake news are different
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:01
|
|
|
loquacius posted:I will not argue against the point that Bernie didn't campaign well, because he didn't. He did the whole Internet-celebrity thing very very well, and successfully played it into tons of money and publicity, but his ground game was even worse than HRC's general-election ground game and he declared way too late to build a big enough profile to overcome his weaknesses with the over-35 centrists that form the majority of the primary's voterbase in the South. To be fair to Bernie has was a relatively unknown politician from Vermont leading the biggest campaign one could do. It's insane how fast he shot up to the polls. At one point he was only single digits behind Hillary preference wise.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:02
|
|
|
euphronius posted:You may be fake posting but the onion and fake news are different weird twitter on the other hand... i don't want to ban the guy who was ripping up absentee ballots in ohio 
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:02
|
|
|
loquacius posted:I will not argue against the point that Bernie didn't campaign well, because he didn't. He did the whole Internet-celebrity thing very very well, and successfully played it into tons of money and publicity, but his ground game was even worse than HRC's general-election ground game and he declared way too late to build a big enough profile to overcome his weaknesses with the over-35 centrists that form the majority of the primary's voterbase in the South.  , though not about the ground game part. Hillary's ground game was phenomenal, it was by all accounts one of the primary focuses of her campaign in its closing days. It's more that GOTV and ground game efforts don't loving matter at all if people aren't enthusiastic about your candidate to begin with.punk rebel ecks posted:To be fair to Bernie has was a relatively unknown politician from Vermont leading the biggest campaign one could do. It's insane how fast he shot up to the polls. At one point he was only single digits behind Hillary preference wise. Totally agree here. I think a lot of what hurt Bernie is that he was just too used to running in Vermont and wasn't accustomed to having to expand his platform like one needs to in a presidential election. Bernie couldn't get over unfamiliar regions while Hillary couldn't get over the idea that Democrat strongholds, well... Weren't.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:03
|
|
|
Mirthless posted:
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:04
|
|
|
logikv9 posted:isn't coke man peter thiel still on their board of directors or something
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:05
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Eh that's a very lax duty. He could spin it as self censoring to prevent gov regulation Yeah the actual "can he get in trouble for it" part is lax but I'm fairly sure he also genuinely cares about protecting the image of his life's legacy and so no he's not going to come out immediately and say "why yes it seems we've dropped the ball here." On the other hand Facebook now seems to be backpedaling and making changes to address this, so...
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:05
|
|
|
Mirthless posted:
Wisconsin and Michigan say otherwise. Ground game there absolutely failed.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:09
|
|
|
My Linux Rig posted:Yeah cool their website is great, what about their events? Last time I was in Boise, leftist demonstrations were kind of rare He specifically says they have three to four events per month. Probably not many demonstrations, though, which is good, because demonstrations tend to be worse than useless.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:17
|
|
|
iospace posted:Wisconsin and Michigan say otherwise. Ground game there absolutely failed. yeah, but I already said that: quote:It's more that GOTV and ground game efforts don't loving matter at all if people aren't enthusiastic about your candidate to begin with. Hillary probably should have spent a lot lot less on GOTV/Ground Game and a lot lot more on making sure people knew what she was all about and could actually get excited for her.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:17
|
|
|
wiconsin and michigan, they called for help and were ignored just like... just like... well i already made that joke
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:20
|
|
|
failed to present a positive message associated with her negative messaging, cocky about the "firewall" states, hubris they went all in on the polls and failed. i mean, if i was running a campaign and i had a poll telling me i was up 8+ in a state, but my state director is asking me for my time 
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:27
|
|
|
The "fake news" friends on my FB feed acknowledge that they're part of that group and are doubling down anyways.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:29
|
|
|
euphronius posted:You may be fake posting but the onion and fake news are different Yea. I'm not sure how you target one while still allowing another one. Would it be as simple as saying news sites who identify themselves as parody, through some means, are allowed. But News sites identifying themselves as "real" would be subject to scrutiny and fact checking? What about editorials? What about reports of police brutality which often have precious few corroborative sources. Basically how do you be actually "fair and balanced" instead of just censoring content?
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:30
|
|
|
Mirthless posted:yeah, but I already said that: Nobody in this burned-down trailer park seems to have any enthusiasm at all for our candidate
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:34
|
|
|
Powercrazy posted:Yea. I'm not sure how you target one while still allowing another one. Would it be as simple as saying news sites who identify themselves as parody, through some means, are allowed. But News sites identifying themselves as "real" would be subject to scrutiny and fact checking? What about editorials? What about reports of police brutality which often have precious few corroborative sources. Basically how do you be actually "fair and balanced" instead of just censoring content? So many people used to get really mad about Onion articles they thought were real that Facebook added a "SATIRE" tag to any link from theonion.com. They could probably just set up a blacklist of the 500 fakest news sites and add a "BULLSHIT" tag to those links
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:38
|
|
|
GlyphGryph posted:He specifically says they have three to four events per month. Probably not many demonstrations, though, which is good, because demonstrations tend to be worse than useless. lately especially the post-election protests have all been sour grapes and so embarrassing for the left. Even the Tea Partiers waited, for the most part, until after January to completely flip their poo poo loquacius posted:Nobody in this burned-down trailer park seems to have any enthusiasm at all for our candidate yeah, basically Mirthless has issued a correction as of 19:47 on Nov 20, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:45
|
|
|
logikv9 posted:failed to present a positive message associated with her negative messaging, cocky about the "firewall" states, hubris now that i think on it in retrospect +8 and +12 in some poll aggregates seems too good to be true. Oh my god, Bill Mitchell was right 
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:47
|
|
|
A racist, rapist, vulgarian is president-elect despite losing the popular vote. What's most important right now is to maintain civility and give this con man a chance.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:48
|
|
|
Lastgirl posted:now that i think on it in retrospect We were so high on our own supply that we didn't consider that maybe the polls actually were skewed, lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:48
|
|
|
Powercrazy posted:Yea. I'm not sure how you target one while still allowing another one. Would it be as simple as saying news sites who identify themselves as parody, through some means, are allowed. But News sites identifying themselves as "real" would be subject to scrutiny and fact checking? What about editorials? What about reports of police brutality which often have precious few corroborative sources. Basically how do you be actually "fair and balanced" instead of just censoring content? facebook used to have human editors that would verify trending stories before approving them, but they were accused of liberal bias (because reality has a liberal bias) and fired all their editors and replaced them with a computer that does no fact-checking
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:50
|
|
|
zuck lying about fake news having no influence is actually bad for his company cuz if you accept his lie it means advertising on facebook is worthless.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 21:42 |
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:A racist, rapist, vulgarian is president-elect despite losing the popular vote. What's most important right now is to maintain civility and give this con man a chance. It's not about giving him a chance, it's about giving the rest of America the perception that you're not dismissing their opinions out of hand before you have a chance to see the results. This isn't about Trump, it's about the working class who think (rightly) that we're elitists who do not respect them. It's one thing if we're dealing with a candidate who got elected on GOP votes but Trump captured the lion's share of independents and the wind is generally blowing in Trump's direction right now. It is trivial for him to paint the protestors as childish and if you haven't been paying attention to the world outside of the liberal sphere, allow me to inform you: it is working. Very, very well.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2016 19:51
|
|