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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all. Until the left stops saying immeasurably stupid poo poo like this we will lose every election, lol There are a lot of conservative independents but there are a lot of liberal independents too. It's not like we didn't win 08 in part due to the independent vote. We also won in '12 (in part) because Independents ended up breaking for the incumbent. This "independents are all conservatives anyway!" poo poo comes up every time we lose in the midterms or a presidential (I remember 04) and it's the weakest leftist "I'm not responsible for anything  " poo poo that somehow still plagues us decades later.You don't have to compromise leftist ideals to win Independents, you just have to pitch them in the first place. We assumed voters would inform themselves without considering that the courtable center are mostly politically ignorant. Mirthless has issued a correction as of 19:58 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Mirthless posted:lately especially Lol bullshit An open white supremacist is in the white house, elected as such. There's no sour grapes, it's about what people are willing to tolerate
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Fiction posted:Lol bullshit  I object to it too but I'm not the rest of the country.
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I don't buy your anecdotal evidence that protests are gonna turn everyone towards trump. People do not like the guy, and are right to express themselves.
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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all. whoops, ya got me, the berniecrat that was living a lie all along. 
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Fiction posted:I don't buy your anecdotal evidence that protests are gonna turn everyone towards trump. People do not like the guy, and are right to express themselves. I'm glad you don't buy that evidence because that's not a thing I said, or even close to a thing I said edit: I mean just in case you haven't figured this out yet, the protests don't have to turn everyone towards Trump because everyone is already turned towards Trump If your goal is to get them to turn back maybe we should stop screaming about the electoral college and how dumb everybody else is for a few seconds because the perception of all of those people who were Democrats six months ago in Michigan right now is that the liberal elitists are mad and want to disenfranchise them in the future because they picked the candidate the ivory tower didn't want. Pop your loving bubble dude because you can't see past it right now and it's killing me Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:05 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 19:59
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i don't call myself a liberal b/c that term implies that you support capitalism
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Nov 20, 2016 19:59
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I am a registered independent AMA
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loquacius posted:I am a registered independent AMA Heh look at this virtue signaling republican 
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i don't call myself a liberal b/c that term implies that you support capitalism 
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Nov 20, 2016 20:05
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Mirthless posted:It's not about giving him a chance, it's about giving the rest of America the perception that you're not dismissing their opinions out of hand before you have a chance to see the results. This isn't about Trump, it's about the working class who think (rightly) that we're elitists who do not respect them. It's working class people out in the streets right now. Middle class people sided decisively for Trump. Poor people didn't vote. There's no need to respect the opposition's opinion here, especially considering how much voter suppression was at play. Quit worrying about how things look so drat much. People need an outlet for their rage, and we should be seizing the opportunity to organize them. Not to tut-tut and pretend that everything is fine, while the entire establishment consensus was traumatically debunked.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:08
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LOL WHAT THE gently caress https://twitter.com/antoniodelotero/status/798932564434006016 I guess I stopped paying attention back home because it's STILL this bad in Flint? I know how Hillary could have won the rust belt: By spending the last month of the election campaigning against Rick loving Snyder instead of Trump and fixing the loving Flint water crisis. How did we let this entire election go by without the left actually taking some positive action on this??? The whole country was outraged about what was going on in Flint.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:09
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reminder that trump still hasn't released his taxes and no one cares
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yeah we all collectively stopped talking about flint because 1) environmental health crises are boring, and 2) they already had a primary debate there that should be good enough for those people hillary couldn't even pretend to give a poo poo about human suffering and neither could the national media
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's working class people out in the streets right now. Middle class people sided decisively for Trump. Poor people didn't vote. There's no need to respect the opposition's opinion here, especially considering how much voter suppression was at play. Hillary won an extremely low share of working class people for a Democrat considering how strong her minority support was. Obama had 22 points on Romney in the <50k bracket in 2012, Hillary had barely 10. 12 points is a huge loving loss when you are utterly dependent on that group to win elections. We need to find a way to bring these people back into the party at the same time we are organizing. A productive and organized protest movement might work, but that is not at all what is going on right now, lol Edit: And the Electoral College poo poo just needs to straight up loving stop right now, both the Abolish camp and the Supplant the Will of the Electorate camps just need to stop talking. It is pretty much the least helpful thing we have going right now, the margins were thin and there is a lot of the country that we are talking about disenfranchising right now. It would be one thing if she carried by 5 points but lol dude half a percent is not exactly a PV mandate Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:18 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Nov 20, 2016 20:12
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Mirthless posted:LOL WHAT THE gently caress gently caress it they went red this election
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Mirthless posted:LOL WHAT THE gently caress oh yea, it's still there definitely and it's not going away. how does the flint water supply make you feel in 3 emojis or less
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Nov 20, 2016 20:16
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Mirthless posted:Hillary won an extremely low share of working class people for a Democrat considering how strong her minority support was. Obama had 22 points on Romney in the <50k bracket in 2012, Hillary had barely 10. 12 points is a huge loving loss when you are utterly dependent on that group to win elections. You're completely missing the point here. Working class people always have low turnout. They're not a real Republican constituency. You get them to vote Democratic by speaking to their rage and promising a better future. You don't do it by condescending to them, and wringing your hands about the optics of protest.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:17
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a.lo posted:gently caress it Yeah let em drink poo poo
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Nov 20, 2016 20:18
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how do i become a republican i am white and male i think life would be easier that way is there a book
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Mad Wack posted:how do i become a republican maybe think about oh i don't know.......growing up???
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a.lo posted:gently caress it For a second I thought you meant Genesee County, where Flint is located, voted for Trump, and holy poo poo would that be a fiasco for the Dems if it were true Hillary won it, though. By less than ten points.
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Nov 20, 2016 20:19
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a.lo posted:gently caress it and now their kids are all gonna be retarded or imprisoned from impulsive crimes
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You're completely missing the point here. Working class people always have low turnout. ??? What does that have to do with anything I said ??? quote:They're not a real Republican constituency. You get them to vote Democratic by speaking to their rage and promising a better future. Yes that is exactly what I have been saying I'm glad we are on the same page quote:You don't do it by condescending to them, and wringing your hands about the optics of protest. apparently we aren't because this statement completely contradicts the last statement you made. What do you think the protests are if not condescending to the working class? In what way do the protests speak to the rage of a working class and promise a better future for them? And why do you assume it's the working class out there protesting, anyway? From everything I've seen it's just what counts as the "core left" now - minorities and white millennials. While those are both frequently working class demos, they are not the particular group of liberals we lost this election and need to win back. The liberals we lost this election are the kind of people who think they are being condescended to when they hear a pundit on TV talk about Hillary winning "educated whites" because they are literally too uneducated to know the difference between "uneducated" and "stupid". Optics loving matter. Optics always mattered.
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anecdotally I heard from people in Flint that they were very, very unimpressed by the Democratic response to the water crisis like Obama's stunt where he drank the water did not go over well
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Nov 20, 2016 20:21
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:and now their kids are all gonna be retarded or imprisoned from impulsive crimes flint has been hosed up for over 2 years this was gonna happen anyway
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Nov 20, 2016 20:22
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:and now their kids are all gonna be retarded or imprisoned from impulsive crimes So really, they did vote for the status quo
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My Linux Rig posted:Yeah cool their website is great, what about their events? Last time I was in Boise, leftist demonstrations were kind of rare "Their website is great" More than can be said about 90% of locals, according to this thread. Which is my point.
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LinYutang posted:anecdotally I heard from people in Flint that they were very, very unimpressed by the Democratic response to the water crisis can't blame 'em
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LinYutang posted:anecdotally I heard from people in Flint that they were very, very unimpressed by the Democratic response to the water crisis Apparently it wasn't his plan to drink the water, he got ambushed. Obama, in his quest to be presidential, didn't do what everyone in Michigan would have cheered at; he didn't just pour it out on Rick Snyder's dumb loving shoes. TBH if our next progressive president (if we ever get one) ever again makes a sacrifice like this for the sake of maintaining their legacy I will never vote for a leftist ever again in my life. gently caress you, Obama. gently caress you, gently caress you, gently caress you, gently caress you, gently caress you.
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also why didn't Obama go to Flint or Detroit to get out the vote? why did they send bill? he's not actually the first black president!! jesus
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LinYutang posted:also why didn't Obama go to Flint or Detroit to get out the vote? why did they send bill? he's not actually the first black president!! jesus I think Obama tried very hard to stay away from any "controversial" black issues for his entire term of office, and the Flint water crisis was apparently one of them. You'd think the first black president would have actually done something with all these civil rights protests and everything, but nope, total silence from the white house for the overwhelming majority of the time the protests have been running
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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all. I'm an "Independent" on every political survey, friendo. 
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NumberLast posted:"Their website is great" Yeah, having a good website is great and all, but now they need to put it to good use
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Mirthless posted:I think Obama tried very hard to stay away from any "controversial" black issues for his entire term of office, and the Flint water crisis was apparently one of them. conservatives blame him for all of the protests anyway so I don't know what the gently caress he thought he was accomplishing
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My Linux Rig posted:Yeah, having a good website is great and all, but now they need to put it to good use You're blatantly ignoring me. Okay.
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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all.
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Fullhouse posted:conservatives blame him for all of the protests anyway so I don't know what the gently caress he thought he was accomplishing exactly I feel like he spent his whole presidency trying to not make conservatives think he was anti-white when they always thought that and never stopped thinking that at any point during his presidency
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