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Holy loving christ. I know that this stuff is sort of assumed but I had never read some actual reporting on it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...6fcd_story.html I want to quote the whole article because it is terrifying and hilarious at the same time.
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy loving christ. I know that this stuff is sort of assumed but I had never read some actual reporting on it. I can't think of any good solution for fake news when people actively seek it out to confirm their beliefs...and dismiss claims that it is fake with "that's just what the biased mainstream media say". Facebook and Google labelling these articles 'FAKE' will get the same response. Trying to block them altogether would be censorship and probably wouldn't be effective.
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy loving christ. I know that this stuff is sort of assumed but I had never read some actual reporting on it. This is a pro-read. The truthiness situation is so bad that it comes off as satire. quote:“Nothing in this article is anti-media, but I’ve used this headline a thousand times,” he says. “Violence and chaos and aggressive wording is what people are attracted to.” quote:“All successful journalism has shock value,” Goldman says as he and Wade sit at their computers later that day. quote:There are times when Wade wonders what it would be like to write an article he truly believes in. “In a perfect world,” he says, it would have nuance and balance and long paragraphs and take longer than 10 minutes to compose. It would make people think. But he never writes it, he says, because no one would click on it, so what would be the point? EDIT: cult member at airport posted:I can't think of any good solution for fake news when people actively seek it out to confirm their beliefs...and dismiss claims that it is fake with "that's just what the biased mainstream media say". Facebook and Google labelling these articles 'FAKE' will get the same response. Trying to block them altogether would be censorship and probably wouldn't be effective. The article actually notes that Facebook and Google's spam filters are significant barriers to them making more cash, so I don't think they're useless and there could be value in those companies deciding to beef up those filters. Although as usual there's a chicken-and-the-egg problem of what came first, the news or the readers, but I do think allowing the two to work each other up into a truly freakish frenzy is preventable if you ignore that and focus on cutting the threads of the feedback cycle. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Nov 21, 2016 03:01
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For what it's worth "How do you deal with a voting public that is constantly being exposed to lies" is a problem as old as democracy itself.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:05
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Fojar38 posted:For what it's worth "How do you deal with a voting public that is constantly being exposed to lies" is a problem as old as democracy itself. The answer was the electoral college. Welp.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:05
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On Terra Firma posted:The answer was the electoral college. Welp. Well and also a general "make it hard to get laws passed and limit the power of the executive."
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Nov 21, 2016 03:06
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cult member at airport posted:I can't think of any good solution for fake news when people actively seek it out to confirm their beliefs...and dismiss claims that it is fake with "that's just what the biased mainstream media say". Facebook and Google labelling these articles 'FAKE' will get the same response. Trying to block them altogether would be censorship and probably wouldn't be effective. Facebook is free to censor whatever it likes, as a private business. If Facebook executives don't feel right profiting off fake stories that are leading ordinary citizens to very dark places, they have the right to remove them. Facebook is supposed to be for sharing pictures of you/your dog, not fascist screeds. That's a bit heavy for an entertainment site.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Then good luck finding a million plus personnel it's going to take to properly occupy the country No poo poo. We barely made it through Iraq with indefinite stop-loss and lowering physical requirements. And Iraq is the size of Texas. We will definitely have to start up conscription to handle something like Iran.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:This is a pro-read. The truthiness situation is so bad that it comes off as satire. The comments are the real sad part. These are people who admit they make up gibberish to get money and so many of them are their favorite dupes yelling about how "dangerously slanted" the article is and that they are the true future. There are so many flat out begging to let a scammer rule over them like a king that have deluded themselves into thinking that all the counter evidence just makes them the sole holders of the REAL TROOTH. Dammit, Trump is really what this country deserves.
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cult member at airport posted:I can't think of any good solution for fake news when people actively seek it out to confirm their beliefs...and dismiss claims that it is fake with "that's just what the biased mainstream media say". Facebook and Google labelling these articles 'FAKE' will get the same response. Trying to block them altogether would be censorship and probably wouldn't be effective. If the people in that story are real, I hope they have debilitating stokes and die over a decade prisoners in their own body.
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zegermans posted:This is a positive for my wife. She works at a non-profit developmental treatment facility for people with disabilities. Her workload can't possibly be done in her 37.5 hour work week. She's currently salaried, but at 25k/year, gets turned into hourly Dec 1st. So now she can't get her work done or work OT. I mean, it sucks that it's forcing employers to actually pay people for the work they do and I get that nonprofits don't ever have any money, but gently caress that. Even if you're salary you need to be paid when you work over 40hrs/wk. Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:I expect this one to be highly unpopular. People might ont notice their taxes going up a little bit at the end of the year, but they'll notice immediately if their paychecks start shrinking in February. Much like the ACA, this is the risk if the GOP can't get the changes rolled back asap. If they wait a few months it could begin to get ugly.
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Mustached Demon posted:The only way we get a draft is ww3. exactly, they won't do one until it's absolutely necessary
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Sir Tonk posted:Much like the ACA, this is the risk if the GOP can't get the changes rolled back asap. If they wait a few months it could begin to get ugly. Most people complained their taxes were too high under Obama even though pretty much everyone's taxes went down. People are dumb as gently caress.
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cheese posted:I mean, its not like we were taking bold, earth changing strides to stop global warming under Obama. We are in a car sliding on an iced out road towards a cliff at 70 mph and at best, we took our foot mostly off the gas over the last 8 years. Trump is going to put his foot back down on the gas, but we were going over that cliff either way. I'm not trying to sound fatalistic/accelerationist here but I have not see a single thing over the last few years to suggest that anything done under Obama was going to reverse or even massively slow the rate of climate change. Ooh! ooh! Something I kinda know about for once! 2016 is actually a really good year with regard to emissions, China is weaning itself off of coal which is taking a big bite out of emissions because they make up 30% of the carbon released annually. Moreover, the US has also been reducing its coal use. As a result global carbon emissions have not increased at all this year, and American carbon emissions dropped 2.6% last year and 1.7% this year. So don't think that we're hosed (we might be) and that Trump's coal subsidies or whatever the gently caress aren't going to do anything. Once everyone thinks that and gives up trying, people like Trump are gonna sink this loving planet while making money hand over fist.
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Sir Tonk posted:I mean, it sucks that it's forcing employers to actually pay people for the work they do and I get that nonprofits don't ever have any money, but gently caress that. Even if you're salary you need to be paid when you work over 40hrs/wk. I agree with the concept, it's just that one piecemeal change without any other adjustments to the system does more harm than good. The blame of course lies with congressional obstruction.
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On Terra Firma posted:Most people complained their taxes were too high under Obama even though pretty much everyone's taxes went down. People are dumb as gently caress. Forcing people to work twenty hours a week without pay when they're making under $50k/yr will be noticed after they finally get a break. I just wish Obama had pushed this years ago like he had talked about, I'm worried it won't be in place long enough for people to notice it. Companies have been preparing for months, if not years, for this change and the GOP rolling it back is going to annoy the poo poo out of HR departments across the country.
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zegermans posted:I agree with the concept, it's just that one piecemeal change without any other adjustments to the system does more harm than good. The blame of course lies with congressional obstruction. More funding for nonprofits and an increase in minimum wage would be great as well. I've been working at nonprofits for a long time now and have accepted that I'll always make less than the private world, but they've got to figure out how to not overwork all their minions.
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Live feed of water cannons being used on DAPL protestors https://www.facebook.com/kevin.happychappy/videos/1806825289589975/ (lovely quality) Nebalebadingdong fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Just came to post that. Bernie Sanders just shared the video, viewership went up quite a bit thanks to that.
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Sir Tonk posted:Just came to post that. Bernie Sanders just shared the video, viewership went up quite a bit thanks to that. he must be in support of the water cannons considering how racist he is
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Bernie is streaming from one of the cannons
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Sir Tonk posted:Bernie Sanders just shared the video, viewership went up quite a bit thanks to that. This sort of tepid liberal slacktivism is why we're in this position in the first place. 
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Sir Tonk posted:More funding for nonprofits and an increase in minimum wage would be great as well. I've been working at nonprofits for a long time now and have accepted that I'll always make less than the private world, but they've got to figure out how to not overwork all their minions. It would help if the administration took a bit of a paycut, 4 people at the top make 100k+. The unpaid overtime she can deal with - but if Trump yanks the 10 year public service loan forgiveness program, she might be forced to use her clinical license to make more money in some counseling job. She really doesn't want to do that, because in her words, rich people can buy pills to make themselves feel better, people with disabilities have nothing.
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On Terra Firma posted:Holy loving christ. I know that this stuff is sort of assumed but I had never read some actual reporting on it. I've said this a million times but holy poo poo do I really want to start up a right-wing website like these guys. Sure, there may be some gullibility of people on the left, but that's practically a requirement for someone on the right. And hilariously enough, it's mainly because shithead right-wingers like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Levin and such have spent decades cultivating their idiot followers to not trust anything that isn't right-wing news. Geostomp posted:The comments are the real sad part. These are people who admit they make up gibberish to get money and so many of them are their favorite dupes yelling about how "dangerously slanted" the article is and that they are the true future. There are so many flat out begging to let a scammer rule over them like a king that have deluded themselves into thinking that all the counter evidence just makes them the sole holders of the REAL TROOTH. Dammit, Trump is really what this country deserves. Honestly, being able to bilk conservatives for tens of thousands of dollars is literally the only good thing about this election. It would immoral NOT to take advantage of them! Also, that guy in the article has a pretty good point that now would also be a great time to start a left-wing equivalent site since there's gonna be a lot of anti-Trump sentiment boiling up. I did some quick Facebooking and saw something interesting. Here are some of the major left-wing FB pages: The Other 98%: 3.5 million likes Occupy Democrats: 4.5 million likes Bipartisan Report: 1.0 million likes Americans Against the Tea Party: 568k likes I remember when TO98% and Occupy Dems started, and holy poo poo, they've grown quite a bit. The only problem child here is Bipartisan Report. The other three have lovely clickbait-y titles and such, but BR is the only one that seems to show actively misleading articles. Aaaaaaaaaanyway, I would so totally be willing to team up with anyone on here to make either a right or left Facebook page. We could really clean up. Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Mr Interweb posted:I've said this a million times but holy poo poo do I really want to start up a right-wing website like these guys. Sure, there may be some gullibility of people on the left, but that's practically a requirement for someone on the right. And hilariously enough, it's mainly because shithead right-wingers like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Levin and such have spent decades cultivating their idiot followers to not trust anything that isn't right-wing news. Hell, I'll write some inflammatory bullshit story that comes off real and generates clicks.
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zegermans posted:It would help if the administration took a bit of a paycut, 4 people at the top make 100k+. The unpaid overtime she can deal with - but if Trump yanks the 10 year public service loan forgiveness program, she might be forced to use her clinical license to make more money in some counseling job. She really doesn't want to do that, because in her words, rich people can buy pills to make themselves feel better, people with disabilities have nothing. Based purely on anecdotal personal experiences, about half the government below the senior level runs on the 10 year public loan forgiveness program. I really can't envision it being pulled without lots of politically influential people pulling an epic shitfit. Also, the most recent thing out of Trump's mouth, for exactly what it's worth which is nothing, is to make all student loan debt forgivable after 15 years on an income-based repayment program. As always everything is up in the air, especially when it comes to the GOP tinkering with the budget, but I don't think the forgiveness program is in immediate danger. Mr Interweb posted:Aaaaaaaaaanyway, I would so totally be willing to team up with anyone on here to make either a right or left Facebook page. We could really clean up. I'm game to start something. Throw up a website called the The Anti-Fascism Initiative, slap on an image of a swastika with a no symbol over it, start postin' up a storm. Gotta get them Dem  .
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Mr Interweb posted:Aaaaaaaaaanyway, I would so totally be willing to team up with anyone on here to make either a right or left Facebook page. We could really clean up. How about an algorithm that analyses your Facebook feed and gives you either crazy right or left wing articles depending on which it thinks you will enjoy? If you share one, it shows differently to your FB friends depending on their political alignment. No more arguments with racist uncle!
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Nov 21, 2016 04:14
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Starting a rightwing news website sounds like a good way to make a little money.
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FAUXTON posted:Hell, I'll write some inflammatory bullshit story that comes off real and generates clicks. Do it but start slipping in "big $$$$ CEOs" instead of GLOBALISTS slowly until you wrap them around to being communists
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Hollismason posted:Starting a rightwing news website sounds like a good way to make a little money. If you get enough of a rep, it can very profitable to just straight up invent things. There's a dude named Ed Klein that fox loved to bring on for segments and his entire gimmick was to talk about his "unnamed sources in the white house" that confirm every GOP conspiracy theory. The last time I saw him was on Fox and Friends were he was explaining that Clinton (who hadn't coughed in public in over a month) had a coughing fit so bad that she had to be rushed to the white house doctor, causing Michelle to openly speculate that she was on heavy drugs while in public.
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Telephones posted:But... ethics Trump and the media proved we're in a post ethics society.
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Considering how receptive people, even die-hard right wing loons, are of socialist ideas as long as you phrase it in a way that doesn't come close to big bad capital-S Socialism, it might not be especially difficult to turn people onto them in a stealth ultra right wing fantasy way. You might even be able to turn the population against corporations and crony-capitalism. I mean it can't be any worse, ethically, than sitting around waiting for the world to end.
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RandomBlue posted:It's false flags all the way down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sl4EjFaUTc
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0 rows returned posted:Considering how receptive people, even die-hard right wing loons, are of socialist ideas as long as you phrase it in a way that doesn't come close to big bad capital-S Socialism, it might not be especially difficult to turn people onto them in a stealth ultra right wing fantasy way. You might even be able to turn the population against corporations and crony-capitalism A right-wing website that's actually leftist and just takes the all-out populist angle would be fantastic. Not sure exactly how to take that angle for stuff like non-discrimination without getting caught out pretty easy, though, you can only use the national security angle so many times — hey wait a second that's not how I should be thinking
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Hollismason posted:Starting a rightwing news website sounds like a good way to make a little money. Actually, there might actually be some merit to that. Instead of making equivalent fake news for liberals, people on the left should start making their own conservative fake news. Inundate the market with claims ranging from believable to outright nonsense. Create so much noise that it's impossible to tell whether ChristianFreedomNews.org or CrookedDNCLeaks.biz are legitimate fake news sites or not. Get them arguing with eachother over which fake news is real and which isn't. While you're at it, donate some of the money you make from their pageviews to progressive causes.
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Guy Goodbody posted:What if mass shootings actually stop under the Trump administration? What if salmon tastes like chocolate under the Trump administration? That would really gently caress up my sushi.
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