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speng31b posted:They are people, my friend. Corporations are about as interested in protecting the human condition as Americans are in stopping Chinese slave laborers from making their phones.
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Captain Fargle posted:Some corporations are better than Donald Trump. This is not a credit to those corporations. Trump sets a bar deep in the Earth's mantle. This is still bad, but less so than letting Trump allow his cronies their way.
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:21 |
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I've begun figuring out how I can get involved over the last week. The general vibe has been amazing out there. Events are overflowing with people trying to learn how to get involved, memberships are swelling. I attended a general "how to get involved in politics" event, which was originally scheduled for 50 people. The event ended up selling 300 tickets, and demand was even higher. They're going to re-run the event twice before year end to satisfy demand. I joined the DSA and attended a meeting today - the local membership has doubled in the last 10 days. There were probably over 100 people crammed into a small community center - meanwhile, I overheard the organizer before the event talking about expecting maybe 20-30 people. I live in Philly, and local level politics are a loving disaster. But, after speaking to some people at these events, I have a very rough idea of where to even start. It's as simple as showing up at your local ward and asking to help. You will show them you're serious, and gain their trust. From there, you can take it wherever you want. You don't need to run for office, but you can make your voice heard and you can work to push forward the candidates you like. I've already heard back from the local ward head, and she's ecstatic that young people want to get involved. I think there's something of a misconception that they don't *want* young people there. They have a meeting this Tuesday, which I'll attend, and it's just that easy. Just show up. I spoke with a guy who ran for Mayor of Philly and got 10,000 votes just walking around public transit handing out business cards. No budget. I mean, he lost in a landslide right, but 10,000 people voted for him. My local state rep, a 30+ year incumbent Republican, won 13k to 11k votes. You're talking about thousands of votes.
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 02:29 |
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So, I'm gonna talk about a very brit-centric campaign that is very effective leftism and has been gaining both a lot of support and a reasonable result so far anyway. https://www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/ The Stop Funding Hate campaign is a push against three newspapers in the UK in general. The Daily Mail, The Sun, and The Express. These newspapers are right wing, but the issue is that they will regularly have large, hatred filled headlines that include statements such as "One out of every five killers is an immigrant", referring to immigrants as a "swarm", calling three high court judges "Enemies of the people" for judging on a legal matter that was related to something these papers campaigned heavily for, and highlighting that one of these judges was openly gay. They've been doing this for a long, long time. The Daily Mail has old headlines from the 30s complaining about Jewish immigrants from Germany, for reference. What the campaign is all about is cutting off the lifeblood of newspapers - The advertisers. We're never gonna get people to stop reading them. It doesn't work. People like their sensationalist trash (that's a dig at all tabloids - right and left and nonpolitical). The campaign is pushing to get advertisers, especially those with wholesome, family-minded corporate images, to drop advertising until the papers start behaving in a respectable manner. Use the system capitalists have created against them, is the essential idea. This campaign has had one major success and one success in the making. The major success is Lego dropping advertising in the Mail. Lego have had a long-running ad campaign where they gave small free toys away with the paper around Christmas, and directly because of this campaign they have dropped advertising with them entirely. Co-op (a very respectable otherwise British supermarket chain) are also "Reconsidering their advertising options", which may be another major success. There is also large pressure and a boycott of John Lewis and Waitrose going on because of their refusal so far due to, and this is their words, "Them not commenting on newspaper editorial decisions". This has not been taken well. For those who don't know, John Lewis and Waitrose have a very wholesome, family-oriented image and are seen as an excellent company - This is serving to tarnish that very much. Just thought I'd let you guys know about a new campaign that's having a great deal of success, and if you're British I think it's an excellent idea to get involved in this!
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Luquos posted:Lego have had a long-running ad campaign where they gave small free toys away with the paper around Christmas, and directly because of this campaign they have dropped advertising with them entirely. So this post is cool and good and I'm glad you guys are succeeding across the pond, but I gotta ask, will the kids still get their free toys?
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Lightning Knight posted:So this post is cool and good and I'm glad you guys are succeeding across the pond, but I gotta ask, will the kids still get their free toys? It's not a charity thing.
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My copy of "Rules for Radicals" arrived today. Thanks for the recommendation Toph.
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Lightning Knight posted:So this post is cool and good and I'm glad you guys are succeeding across the pond, but I gotta ask, will the kids still get their free toys? Depends on if Lego do another campaign with someone else? It was definitely an ad thing, not a charity thing as someone said above though.
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 15:13 |
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So, I found a pretty interesting article about how to defeat Trumpet politics, and the basic gist of it is that going after his image and venting personal hate his way will only fuel his dogma machine and make him more of a "bad Boy" in the eyes of people who get enthusiastic for that kind of thing. The people who beat him in elections were those who focused on issues, and made the election much more political than idealogical. In addition, they weren't "establishment" politicians. I'm not sure how much merit there is to this idea, but I'm wondering what others think? I've made progress in local talks with mega-conservatives by focusing on the fact that there was an outbreak of flesh-eating bacteria in our local waters and saying that everyone needed to get more involved in environmental issues because, holy poo poo, literal flesh-eating bacteria. Also, and this might be wrong-headed, but if Trump or any other Republican does something I like, I'm gonna give them props for it. Maybe use pavlovian conditioning to push them Left in spite of themselves
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 16:56 |
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Well I got in touch with my local councillor and had a very helpful conversation along with some very encouraging reassurances about commitments to minority rights and safety. Also made progress on a local park management issue and had an official complaint registered. It's boosted my spirits considerably.
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My wife and I are thinking of getting involved with Take Action MN. http://www.takeactionminnesota.org/work/ I am new to this sort of arena so I was wondering if anyone had experience or knew anything about this group or could infer anything from their mission statement, etc.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:My wife and I are thinking of getting involved with Take Action MN. http://www.takeactionminnesota.org/work/ It might be difficult to get involved with a group that doesn't actually appear to do anything. Are you near Minneapolis? What's your political interest?
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spotlessd posted:It might be difficult to get involved with a group that doesn't actually appear to do anything. Are you near Minneapolis? What's your political interest? Yes, south Minneapolis. In terms of political motivation we are both very liberal and looking to channel some of this despair into productive action. My wife is a professor in the humanities at the university and we are worried that MN is going to trend like Wisconsin with regard to public education and attacks on tenure.
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Has there been any progress made since election day in regards to reaching out to and organizing followers and members? Or will this be a slow and steady build-up?
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Grouchio posted:Has there been any progress made since election day in regards to reaching out to and organizing followers and members? Or will this be a slow and steady build-up? Unless something unexpected happens, the only reaching our will be from the bottom up. You're going to have to find the lowest level and get in, and if the lowest level doesn't exist, you are going to be it. For some people, it might end up that the lowest level is some club of people who are happy being in charge of their own thing, so you'll have to force your way in.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Unless something unexpected happens, the only reaching our will be from the bottom up. Holidays are coming too which will slow anything that was going to happen.
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Azuth0667 posted:Holidays are coming too which will slow anything that was going to happen.
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Oracle posted:I dunno, I've decided not to go home for the holidays and I can't be the only one. I'll have plenty of time. Probably per-area then but, something to be aware of.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Yes, south Minneapolis. In terms of political motivation we are both very liberal and looking to channel some of this despair into productive action. My wife is a professor in the humanities at the university and we are worried that MN is going to trend like Wisconsin with regard to public education and attacks on tenure. SEIU Local 248 and MAU will probably be the ones coordinating political opposition on that front. A friend of mine works for the former, full disclosure. I'll check with him and see what they're up to. Judging by the Take Action website, that's probably who they would have put you in touch with anyway. Unfortunately a lot of this stuff is very defensive because the movement doesn't emerge until some specific piece of legislation turns up. Most of the other big issues with the exception of police brutality stuff (which in Minneapolis has generally been one shitshow after another courtesy of BLM and Socialist Alternative) are going to be handled by non-profits and other basically worthless good vibes mills. Are you up for protests? Volunteer work? Organizing? There's a lot of opportunities for just doing "good" at the level of charities and outreach but in terms of all-purpose lefties building political movements, it might be a month or two before anything substantial materializes in terms of specific opposition to right-wing policy.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 00:24 |
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I'd like to take the time to highlight one of the more prominent Antifa groups in the UK, one that the entire family can get involved with, and not just the ones who want to kick the poo poo out of Nazis (although this can be a fun, family project in and of itself) HOPE Not Hate are a grassroots movement that emerged from a few other Antifa groups, and was largely a response to the BNP making headway in local elections, HNH was influential in shutting them down politically. Now they still focus on combating the far right in local elections, in addition to community outreach and solidarity, particularly with minorities and other groups targeted by these groups. We're quite proud in that wherever a group of fascists decide they want to show their ugly faces, we'll be there too, and we far outnumber them and hopefully always will. Their current campaign is #MoreInCommon, which aims to bring members of communities together to show that they share more common ground with each other than any do with the literal Nazis. Although it's passed this year, HNH also organises a vigil every year to be held near the Cenotaph during Remembrance Sunday. We do this because every single year the National Front march to the Cenotaph and make a mockery of the proceedings. It's important that this is seen to be challenged, and this year it was even more of a success than usual, with the NF only managing to gather together 50 people throughout the country to show up. That's the lowest it's ever been.
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Veyrall posted:Also, and this might be wrong-headed, but if Trump or any other Republican does something I like, I'm gonna give them props for it. Maybe use pavlovian conditioning to push them Left in spite of themselves Absolutely do this. Use specifics too. If someone's offering to replace Obamacare but they want to preserve some elements (mandated coverage, coverage for pre-existing conditions), highlight those points. Make sure to point out that the policy benefits your reader OR that the policy reflects something Obama and Democrats already did or want. The reader then has to respond by saying they don't in fact like those things (which means there's Republicans that they should be hating) OR that the Left shares their values. The changes to overtime pay starting on DEC 1 are a good example of this too. Directly address people who work. Say that there's a new rule that will help people get paid for the hours they're actually working, encourage them to contact their congress critter about making sure it stays through Trump's administration (because he's supposed to care so much about the working class). THEN, make sure you mention the fact that House Republicans are already trying to figure out how to cut it. The policy positions of the left already favor the working class, point out how they do and compliment politicians when they adhere to those values and admonish them when they don't. Regardless of political party. Doing this on your social media is a good exercise to keep yourself aware of what policies you're interested in and who's threatening/advocating them; and, it helps you learn how to frame issues to get people to be sympathetic to your cause. You're not going to swing the federal election but it prepares you when you're talking about local issues and local politicians. And full disclosure, I'm a white guy who also has primarily experienced being around poorer, white communities. This is my strategy for getting people to focus on the things they want and not the ideological labels they want. Two more quick things: When it comes to people complaining how the poor/homeless/drug-addicted get so many free things, sometimes pointing out that if that were so easy and lucrative, why aren't you and I doing it buddy? kind of helps to illustrate that having a house is better than living in an alley and hoping there's room at the shelter. That coupled with religious phrasing is pretty helpful. Be people's friend. Be the reliable one who helps them out (without putting yourself into jeopardy) or is willing to listen to them. VOLUNTEER! VOLUNTEER! VOLUNTEER! Become a contributing part of your community and you're eventually become a civic leader of sorts. This helps when you want to apply pressure to your elected officials. AND if you're having a hard time getting your political beliefs taken seriously, find a service provider (non-profit or city government) and ask them what you can do to help. If you really care about homelessness, ask around at shelters if they need any supplies and try to start a supply-drive or fundraiser among your friends or at your workplace. If you're an environmentalist, see if some citizen science activities (volunteering at a university lab, setting up an info booth about clean energy at the farmer's market, etc.) can be done in your community. That became longer than I expected. I personally am benefiting from hearing what other people are saying in this thread and specific examples are the best. Specific things that worked or didn't work. I'm reading this thread as a sort of continual guide to evaluate what I'm doing and whether it's effective. I would suggest to any white person reading this thread to lurk the negrotown thread. Don't contribute unless you actually have something meaningful to ask or to say. It's a good place to gain perspective. N. Senada fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Here's a handy tool for Americans: https://callyourrep.co/
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For UK Folks, please consider signing this petition to have the new Investigatory Powers Act repealed. https://t.co/Iqm5WHhgV6 The idea that your most recent year's worth of internet connection records should be available to any government office that asks, without a warrant too, is obscene. Let alone the privacy and security issues that even having such a database exist at all creates. While these petitions aren't guaranteed to actually change anything, this is the official government petition system. If it reaches 100,000 signatures then parliament is required to give the issue a debate in the House of Commons. It's not much but it's something.
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At the suggestion of others I am quoting this post from the Libertarianism thread. This post was originally meant to pitch a co-writing project to Wren-P, but I think that even in its current(very rough) form the ideas in this post merit discussion.Prester Jane posted:You have a good point there. In the spirit of Libertarianism then let me unapologetically hijack this thread for a moment.
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A Good Post. Thanks for stealing it
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# ? Nov 28, 2016 00:42 |
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Reminder that there's a US Senate runoff in Louisiana going on right now. Early voting started yesterday and will end on Dec 3. The actual election is on Dec 10. Foster Campbell, the Democrat, is a surprisingly populist candidate who believes in man-made climate change, supports taxing energy companies, wants to increase the minimum wage, and is anti ACA repeal. Here are some profile articles: http://www.nola.com/elections/index.ssf/2016/11/in_louisiana_senate_race_popul.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/louisiana-senate-race-foster-campbell-john-kennedy.html If you've got pent up anger and/or want to help get a Democrat in the perennially red state of LA, register here to help phonebank: http://action.lademo.org/page/s/start-calling You can also donate via Actblue here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/fostercampellforsenatedonate
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This stuff is crazy useful. We have a campaign hothouse in the next month for our state's organisers and I'll probably quote a bunch of y'all. I wouldn't mind hearing about your thoughts on organising models. Most Left parties here run a variation on the Neighbourhood Organiser Model that "Organizing for America" developed, but I know I've found it difficult to transpose that model effectively for grassroots issues campaigning. We ran a community anti-islamaphobia doorknock that was reasonably successful, but we're running into a big problem: Left campaigners typically are clustered in the inner city and we need to focus opposing fascist parties in the outer suburbs, but we can't really organise a real presence without getting the numbers from our core demos. The Unions are losing their numbers in those outer suburbs and are having to dump all their resources in opposing neo-liberal industrial policy. Any suggestions on building enough of a core group in hostile environments without burning them out? Speaking of: if there are any Australians reading and want to get involved, the AusPol thread has heaps of super-active campaigners, organisers and activists (mostly Greens, but a few Socialists and Labor Left as well) to point you in the right direction. Also J O I N Y O U R (L E F T) U N I O N (this goes for everyone, everywhere)
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I was half asleep last night thinking about how the media is owned by 6 corporations & how neat it would be if there were some channels that were certified non-corporate. Like, a WSDE/coop media company could opt in to have their finances investigated for connections to big/corporate money & if they pass, they can advertise that they are a "people's broadcasting company" or something & it's like those "certified fair trade" stickers you see on things. I hope the rest of you also had sweet leftist dreams last night
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Prester Jane posted:At the suggestion of others I am quoting this post from the Libertarianism thread. This post was originally meant to pitch a co-writing project to Wren-P, but I think that even in its current(very rough) form the ideas in this post merit discussion. For a start, what were the key elements of the Scientology effort that made it effective as a vehicle for organization and engagement (even if results ultimately were not particularly fulsome)? Simple, direct, messaging? A clear, well defined target / antagonist? Simple goals and avenues for participation? Participation across multiple forums and by IRC? Anonymity? Other / different things?
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Prester Jane posted:At the suggestion of others I am quoting this post from the Libertarianism thread. This post was originally meant to pitch a co-writing project to Wren-P, but I think that even in its current(very rough) form the ideas in this post merit discussion. One thing I've been talking about is connecting people to the lowest level of the party in their area. In several of the post election threads, people have been lamenting how hard it is to find the local party, even in stronghold states. I'd like the DNC to take leadership on this, but if they don't I guess we'll have to do it for them. Might as well include local progressive groups, antifa, etc. with tags so that people can find what they're looking for.
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I've been listening to Chapo Trap House, Delete Your Account, and Common Sense, and I'm liking what I hear. Common Sense in particular. What are some left-wing podcasts/blog reqs that I can start following? Especially ones with a focus on what the hell to do now.
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This Is Hell, Democracy@Work
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:One thing I've been talking about is connecting people to the lowest level of the party in their area. In several of the post election threads, people have been lamenting how hard it is to find the local party, even in stronghold states. A large part of the framework for the proposed "killer app" centers primarily around enabling and supporting channels of communication between various left-leaning social organizations. In addition to the app giving a sample vote, it could also feature a tab that displays all the local meeting places and times for local groups. Everything from soup kitchens to AA to the local LGBT support group to the local socialist activism groups could all easily found by those interested. (A self selecting group that is already more likely to be interested because hey, they went through the trouble of downloading the app). In line with this it would be possible to set up (moderated) forums for communications for users of the app tied in to their local area. (IE all Bay Area users have their own local oriented forums that only people whose social media profile lists them as residing in that area can view/access) This would enable the various groups (which are often disconnected from each other often even unaware of the existence of each other) to begin to form social connections. Imagine how helpful it would be for our cause if say, a local church soup kitchen needs volunteers badly and so they put up a message on the app asking for help, and a local group of atheists responds by offering to become regular workers at the soup kitchen. I would contend that the biggest issue right now holding up progress in the American left is all the completely jammed communication channels. I feel this is the real source of the quagmire rather than a lack of resolve, projects, resources, or eager volunteers. Further, the primary source of power the DNC has over the left right now is that the DNC is completely central to existing channels of communication between existing left-oriented groups. As the DNC has clearly demonstrated they have no loving interest whatsoever in using their central role in communications as anything but a political tool, it is my suggestion that we simply seek to bypass them by creating our own robust channels of communication. One of the larger points I intend to make in the paper is that if you provide well regulated channels of communication then you can rely on much more casual actors to do the vast bulk of the heavy lifting, and that so long as you demonstrate competency in organization you will never really lack for a workforce.
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Annual Prophet posted:For a start, what were the key elements of the Scientology effort that made it effective as a vehicle for organization and engagement (even if results ultimately were not particularly fulsome)? Simple, direct, messaging? A clear, well defined target / antagonist? Simple goals and avenues for participation? Participation across multiple forums and by IRC? Anonymity? Other / different things? These are very good questions, but I think they are thinking slightly in the wrong direction. Both Chanology and Goonwaffe did a very fundamental thing very very well, and everything else more or less flowed from that. Both Chanology and Goonwaffe had a deep understanding of both themselves and their opponents, and they adapted their tactics based on the behavior of the two groups. Rather than some sort of messaging style or management technique, what both organizations did was try their best to direct the strongest aspects of their groups behavior against identified weaknesses in the behavior of their opponents. In Goonwaffe for example their is a piece written by Mittani in which he talks about how he conducts a war in EVE, and how little his strategy involves seizing strategic systems and how much of his strategy involves breaking the psyche of the opposing forces. What Mittanni does is recognize that Goons are inherently fractious and aggressive, they need targets and they want to go be harassing little bastards. So what Mittani does is have Goons attack quality of life structures within the enemy federation rather than purely military targets. this results in little things the enemy players used to take for granted (like easy transportation across huge distances) being knocked offline at random, which over time results in playing the game becoming more hassle than it is worth, which results in fewer players logging in, which results in a weakned force that has been defeated long before the epic final battle actually comes. In this manner Mittanni is using the inherent behavior of his own troops to attack weaknesses in the behavior of his opponents. An example in Chanology would be a technique that was popular on Enturbulation.org for a period to defeat Scientologist spies. (This occurred later in the conflict, but is an important demonstration of the principle I am describing here.) It was discovered that Scinetologists had restricted low level members from reading Enturbulation.org, even for the purposes of spying, because reading the website had proven effective in snapping low level members out of their programming. This meant that only Scientologists who had been exposed to extensive brainwashing were allowed to read the forums for the purpose of spying on us. One clever member noted that all of these high level Scientologists were easily triggered into semi-hypnotic states by inserting bits of random text associated with the programming they had been subjected too into regular posts. Although this made the forums a bit frustrating to read for a bit (because of the random insertion of Scientologist gobbledygook into sentences) it also did cause the Scientologists some real hell. Their top level operatives were snapping in and out of trance whenever they tried to read the Enturb forums, and were basically unable to function as spies as a result. The idea then in both of these examples is that the opponents behavior was studied carefully, and then exploited in a systematic manner by pitting the strengths of the in-group against identified weaknesses in the behavior of the target group.
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Prester Jane posted:One clever member noted that all of these high level Scientologists were easily triggered into semi-hypnotic states by inserting bits of random text associated with the programming they had been subjected too into regular posts. Although this made the forums a bit frustrating to read for a bit (because of the random insertion of Scientologist gobbledygook into sentences) it also did cause the Scientologists some real hell. Their top level operatives were snapping in and out of trance whenever they tried to read the Enturb forums, and were basically unable to function as spies as a result. Can you link a source for this? This is fascinating & I would like to read more about this.
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Ruzihm posted:Can you link a source for this? This is fascinating & I would like to read more about this. I wish I did have a link. At its peak Enturbulation.org was a workshop of fascinating psy-ops the like of which had never existed before and has not been seen since, but little of it has even been documented, let alone studied. The example above is based on my own memories of one of the tactics we used for a period, there were many such tactics that swept through the Enturb forums in an almost fadlike manner. As soon as one tactic had exhausted its usefulness another was discovered and adopted. Inserting random bits of trigger words gleaned by reading scientologists manuals for e-meter operators was just one such fad, and not even a particularly major one. A very large percentage of the brain trust behind Chanology were goons, so hopefully one of them comes forwards and provides their perspective on this. I think there is a great deal of important conversation to be had about Chanology now that so many years have passed and so little has been said about what was probably the single event that signaled the shift from Internet 1.0 to the age of social media.
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One thing I noticed, in my state, where we had candidates running for almost every position, it wasn't easy to figure out who to vote for in non-partisan races. One of my friends found a GOP list and basically just voted opposite.
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Prester Jane posted:These are very good questions, but I think they are thinking slightly in the wrong direction. Both Chanology and Goonwaffe did a very fundamental thing very very well, and everything else more or less flowed from that. Both Chanology and Goonwaffe had a deep understanding of both themselves and their opponents, and they adapted their tactics based on the behavior of the two groups. Rather than some sort of messaging style or management technique, what both organizations did was try their best to direct the strongest aspects of their groups behavior against identified weaknesses in the behavior of their opponents. This is a fascinating and intriguing way to look at the problem, though some of the questions (and similar questions derived from past successes and failures of mass movements) will, I think, likely remain important, even if they wind up being subsidiary in your analysis. Also, one point to consider is that the overall approach, focusing on pitting strengths against weaknesses, may be tiered / vary. Specifically, there are likely to be smaller groups that in relative terms are better informed and that, as a result of being smaller, face fewer transaction costs in organizing, framing messages, etc., and these may present a different set of strengths and weaknesses than broader, more diffuse, less well informed groups. In thinking about a "killer app" then, you may want to facilitate different things in different ways for different categories of potential participants in collective action.
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Annual Prophet posted:This is a fascinating and intriguing way to look at the problem, though some of the questions (and similar questions derived from past successes and failures of mass movements) will, I think, likely remain important, even if they wind up being subsidiary in your analysis. Also, one point to consider is that the overall approach, focusing on pitting strengths against weaknesses, may be tiered / vary. Specifically, there are likely to be smaller groups that in relative terms are better informed and that, as a result of being smaller, face fewer transaction costs in organizing, framing messages, etc., and these may present a different set of strengths and weaknesses than broader, more diffuse, less well informed groups. In thinking about a "killer app" then, you may want to facilitate different things in different ways for different categories of potential participants in collective action. You are hitting on a very key point actually, and that is how to direct the strengths of sub-groups (who are part of the larger whole) into particular projects. (A great deal of the design behind the "killer app" is actually premised on supporting just this idea.) Both Chanology and Goonwaffe solved this issue in pretty much the same way: by creating what I call "Project Oriented Social Infrastructure" and advertising projects internally. An example from Chanology would be "Operation Over The Wall" in which anons wrote friendly messages on postcards selected for their peaceful imagery and then mailed these postcards to Gold Base. Every piece of mail received by Gold Base would be read thoroughly by a Scientologist before being admitted into the facility. This project was meant to target specifically the scientologists who were tasked with filtering the mail at Gold Base. this project was advertised on Enturbulation.org in a dedicated thread wherein all the grunt work had already been done, all you needed to do was actually write a friendly message on a postcard and mail it. This project turned out to be quite popular with Boomer anons, as it required a much lower technical capability along with a form of creative expression (handwritten notes) that the Boomer generation treasures. Over in Goonwaffe an example of this would be the extensive support network that was created for teaching players. In Goonwaffe if you wanted to perform a specific role in a battle there were Goon-run training classes you could go join designed specifically to teach you how to do that specific task. Various fleets with specialized missions would recruit for their projects by first advertising how much fun they were having and then scheduling classes to teach interested newcomers the basics. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:One thing I noticed, in my state, where we had candidates running for almost every position, it wasn't easy to figure out who to vote for in non-partisan races. I did this as well, I'm in a red county and they did a much better job of marking who they support.
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