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It's not unprecedented. I can think back to Bosnia and the massacres that one side did to their own in order to stir them into action. However professionally there should be a white house position. Engaging in speculation at the highest levels benefits nothing and no one and shows a lack of discipline. I have thought that it might've been though. Obama signaled to the world that chemical weapons were a 'red line' and that the US would get involved if they were used. If you are losing sometimes you gamble and see what happens.
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If Trump found out the government had been using false flag attacks for years he would just start to plant his own. Heck, he will probably plant his own anyway.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:00
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Guy Goodbody posted:What if mass shootings actually stop under the Trump administration? He'd be a broken clock.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:01
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Mustached Demon posted:He'd be a broken clock. It's possible that white males will now feel fulfilled and won't rage out in the same way or to the same degree, because they'll feel like they're in charge / on top again. More likely though we'll get more explicit hate crimes.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:03
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zegermans posted:It would help if the administration took a bit of a paycut, 4 people at the top make 100k+. The unpaid overtime she can deal with - but if Trump yanks the 10 year public service loan forgiveness program, she might be forced to use her clinical license to make more money in some counseling job. She really doesn't want to do that, because in her words, rich people can buy pills to make themselves feel better, people with disabilities have nothing. My financial future would be dead, and the past 4 years of my life a total economic mistake, if the loan forgiveness program is reversed without at least grandfathering those of us already actively engaged careers in public fields. I assumed it would be something on Ryan's slash list but haven't read anything regarding it receiving attention yet. Any chance it skirts the GOP's notice while they're busy butt-loving the future in other ways?
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Nov 21, 2016 05:04
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cult member at airport posted:Actually, there might actually be some merit to that. Instead of making equivalent fake news for liberals, people on the left should start making their own conservative fake news. Inundate the market with claims ranging from believable to outright nonsense. Create so much noise that it's impossible to tell whether ChristianFreedomNews.org or CrookedDNCLeaks.biz are legitimate fake news sites or not. Get them arguing with eachother over which fake news is real and which isn't. While you're at it, donate some of the money you make from their pageviews to progressive causes. 
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Nov 21, 2016 05:04
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's possible that white males will now feel fulfilled and won't rage out in the same way or to the same degree, because they'll feel like they're in charge / on top again. Yeah hate crimes will rise as Trump hatred gets normalized. I highly doubt mass shootings in general will drop but if they do it'll be a good thing. A good thing for the wrong reason but still a good thing.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:06
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Combed Thunderclap posted:A right-wing website that's actually leftist and just takes the all-out populist angle would be fantastic. Not sure exactly how to take that angle for stuff like non-discrimination without getting caught out pretty easy, though, you can only use the national security angle so many times — hey wait a second that's not how I should be thinking I'd say deflection would be key there, with some added vagueness. Like say Paul Ryan's budget targets THE REAL AMERICAN HEARTLAND. Or make up a bunch of numbers to fill graphs (with no scale axis) to point to how wasteful hiring some chucklefuck to guard a bathroom or stand guard against attacks to religious freedom displays in some podunk shittowne are when the republicans are all about small government and slashing spending. If youre going from the far right until it circles back to the far left, you can attack all these piece of poo poo RINOs that keep loving things up. I mean they set the stage and provided the vocabulary, the possibilities are endless when using it right back at them.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:09
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RandomBlue posted:What if salmon tastes like chocolate under the Trump administration? That would really gently caress up my sushi. Even if it was a complete coincidence, it would convince all the conspiracy people that Obama really did false flags to take away our guns
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Nov 21, 2016 05:11
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cult member at airport posted:Actually, there might actually be some merit to that. Instead of making equivalent fake news for liberals, people on the left should start making their own conservative fake news. Inundate the market with claims ranging from believable to outright nonsense. Create so much noise that it's impossible to tell whether ChristianFreedomNews.org or CrookedDNCLeaks.biz are legitimate fake news sites or not. Get them arguing with eachother over which fake news is real and which isn't. While you're at it, donate some of the money you make from their pageviews to progressive causes. This worked for tea party community.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:14
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On Terra Firma posted:Most people complained their taxes were too high under Obama even though pretty much everyone's taxes went down. People are dumb as gently caress. It's possible they have seen a net increase due to state and local taxes but blamed it on federal.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:16
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Hollismason posted:They're actually remaking Starship Troopers and it's going to be like the book. I'm glad they are. Not only will it likely be a terrible generic "gritty sci-fi movie" but people will constantly compare it to the existing movie and how great that movie was since it just made fun of the idiocy of the book.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:25
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RandomBlue posted:What if salmon tastes like chocolate under the Trump administration? That would really gently caress up my sushi. It'd put a new spin on salmon mousse though.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:25
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cult member at airport posted:Actually, there might actually be some merit to that. Instead of making equivalent fake news for liberals, people on the left should start making their own conservative fake news. Inundate the market with claims ranging from believable to outright nonsense. Create so much noise that it's impossible to tell whether ChristianFreedomNews.org or CrookedDNCLeaks.biz are legitimate fake news sites or not. Get them arguing with eachother over which fake news is real and which isn't. While you're at it, donate some of the money you make from their pageviews to progressive causes. This is quite an intriguing idea...
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Nov 21, 2016 05:46
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Mr Interweb posted:This is quite an intriguing idea... Throw the occasional shade at the establishment in both parties, but particularly the Republicans. If you can start a conspiracy that they're working with the Democrats to kneecap Trunk and prevent him from Making America Great Again, that would be even better. Like 0 rows returned said earlier, throw in some support for progressive policies framed in conservative terms. Start supporting progressive candidates and tell your readers to show up in the 2018 and 2020 Democratic primaries to vote for them. Make the narrative "until the crooked establishment of both parties is destroyed America can't be great again".
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Nov 21, 2016 05:54
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This isn't terrifying or anything.. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html quote:
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Nov 21, 2016 05:55
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Hollismason posted:This isn't terrifying or anything.. Holy gently caress
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Nov 21, 2016 06:01
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Hollismason posted:This isn't terrifying or anything.. Yeah um.  Yeah. This isn't another gwb or reagan.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:05
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Yeah it's only emboldened them if anything. So I expect it to legit grow as a movement in the coming few years.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:06
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See also this article from NPR.quote:One of their chief policy proposals they hope to push through is a 50-year immigration freeze, with a preference given to European immigrants coming into the U.S. Spencer told NPR's Kelly McEvers in an interview Thursday that their ultimate goal was "a safe space effectively for Europeans," arguing for a return to the white origins of the country and protecting the white race.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:11
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cult member at airport posted:Throw the occasional shade at the establishment in both parties, but particularly the Republicans. If you can start a conspiracy that they're working with the Democrats to kneecap Trunk and prevent him from Making America Great Again, that would be even better. My only concern is that despite conservatives being goobers, they seem to be just smart enough to realize when to back away from supporting Democrats. In 2010, everyone who ran as a Tea Partier ran on the Republican ticket and so it was pretty easy for them to pull the switch.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:12
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It looks like they will get some immigration bans from Islamic countries at least, if Reince Priebus is to be believed
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Nov 21, 2016 06:14
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Just a reminder that white supremacists are scary enough that the FBI has repeatedly made reports on the dangers of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement organizations. This stuff becoming even the tiniest bit more mainstream is terrifying. I think what I find more disturbing than anything is that Trump doesn't even have to actually support these guys or do anything at all. The fact that he won and that they think that he's on their side is apparently all that was required for them to start squirming out of whatever shitholes they were hiding in.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:22
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That will definitely happen. People keep saying " Oh he's not going to build the wall" and he 100% is going to build that drat wall then probably cut aid to Mexico or some weird tariff to pay for it. Strangely if they did build the wall it would probably have a positive effect on the economy.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:22
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FlamingLiberal posted:It looks like they will get some immigration bans from Islamic countries at least, if Reince Priebus is to be believed Which I imagine could in fact lead to an increase in immigration from Islamophobic Europeans. The alt-right is getting what they want in an indirect way.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:23
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Is Trump even likely to go to war with Iran? I can understand why but what if the nuclear agreement stands?
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Nov 21, 2016 06:24
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Grouchio posted:Is Trump even likely to go to war with Iran? I can understand why but what if the nuclear agreement stands? In the debate Trump said that he would've ordered American sailors to fire on the Iranian sailors who were taunting them. He insisted that wouldn't start a war So yeah, war with Iran is reasonably likely
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Nov 21, 2016 06:26
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Guy Goodbody posted:In the debate Trump said that he would've ordered American sailors to fire on the Iranian sailors who were taunting them. He insisted that wouldn't start a war
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Nov 21, 2016 06:28
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Grouchio posted:Depends upon if he upholds that promise or not, since he's scaling back on his more insane rhetoric. He's scaling back the rhetoric but appointing lunatics who will adhere to the craziest thing's he's said he will do.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:29
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently Mike Pence drew lame cartoons in college? a friend of mine made this: http://i.imgur.com/Sf38zep.png
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Nov 21, 2016 06:30
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Grouchio posted:Depends upon if he upholds that promise or not, since he's scaling back on his more insane rhetoric. trump's opinion doesn't matter. his work will be carried out by the cabinet he selects, and the cabinet he currently appears to be leaning toward is holding neonazi rallies in washington dc
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Nov 21, 2016 06:30
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Venuz Patrol posted:trump's opinion doesn't matter. his work will be carried out by the cabinet he selects, and the cabinet he currently appears to be leaning toward is holding neonazi rallies in washington dc Bannon isn't a cabinet member. Who are the other nazis he's put in cabinet so far?
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Nov 21, 2016 06:32
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Grouchio posted:Depends upon if he upholds that promise or not, since he's scaling back on his more insane rhetoric. He's not really. The thing about Trump that's easy to miss is that the really crazy stuff mostly showed up in rallies or in interviews where a question caught him off guard. Post-election Trump isn't any different from teleprompter Trump, and he isn't saying anything that's new or more moderate than statements that he made during the campaign. The only real question is whether you believe that this Trump is the real Trump, or whether it matters at all.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:33
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Well they aren't Nazis, but his cabinet has collectively described Islam as a cancer that needs to be eradicated and they do plan on nationally registering Muslims and banning immigration from Muslim countries, but you see they aren't really Nazis per se because they don't have the armbands
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Nov 21, 2016 06:37
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Fojar38 posted:Bannon isn't a cabinet member. Who are the other nazis he's put in cabinet so far? There's literally someone that's named after two civil war generals in his administration http://www.npr.org/2016/11/20/502797684/what-influence-could-an-attorney-general-jeff-sessions-have
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Paradoxish posted:He's not really. Dude's appointing Jeff loving Sessions to AG. poo poo that like makes asking "who is Real Trump" irrelevant.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:38
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Hollismason posted:There's literally someone that's named after two civil war generals in his administration Oh...no?
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Nov 21, 2016 06:41
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Hollismason posted:There's literally someone that's named after two civil war generals in his administration I know you mean Confederate generals in particular, but that's really meaningless. It's not like little Jeff Sessions got angry his mother originally named him Lincoln Ulysses Sessions or something and had it changed. e: Jeff Sessions should earn your fear on his own terrible racist account.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:51
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Fojar38 posted:Oh...no? Or you could read the article and understand that Hollismason is deliberately underselling it: quote:A former U.S. attorney for Alabama, the selection has been celebrated on the right and strongly criticized on the left because of Senator Sessions' record on issues such as immigration and race. Early in his career, alleged anti-black comments cost him a federal judgeship. More recently, he's taken a very hard line against proposed immigration reform. quote:The thing is there's something different about Sessions. So when Donald Trump made his infamous comment about how he likes to grab women in their private parts, Sessions said he didn't think that that was a crime. So either the man who would be the nation's chief law enforcement officer doesn't know what sexual assault is or, more likely, he's just an extreme partisan. quote:When we look at what he did when he was a U.S. attorney in Alabama, the chief federal law enforcement officer there, he brought criminal charges against people who were trying to register, African-American voters, in Alabama.
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Yeah it's like thinking Richard Sherman's ok for sharing a name with General Sherman while he makes your passing game his bitch.
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