Baloogan posted:

thge metric system is a loving lie, a pipe in canada might be labeled "1500mm" ID on a loving engineer diraagram but its really irl 1524mm because 1500mm==59inches and really its 60inch pipe which is 1524mm

and if u lay pipe thats "1500mm" ID its really 60 inch pipe because your loving PIPE GOTTA BE THE SAME ID OR ELSE your hosed so everything is a LIE A loving LIE AND ITS ALL BUSLL AISUHROUAGSGO poo poo

so the matric system is a lie
just another lie in our horrible system
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death

Powercrazy posted:

I'd have gladly voted for Chaffee or Webb.

Fullhouse posted:

the metric system cannot fail, it can only be failed

reignonyourparade posted:

I think you'd be lucky to get a third of Gary Johnson's voters to vote Democratic.

Cubey posted:

hillary lost the 2008 primaries to a black guy nobody ever heard of with a blatantly foreign name, the middle of which was HUSSEIN

then she underperformed in the 2016 primaries against an old socialist jew from vermont

then she lost the 2016 election to DONALD MOTHER loving TRUMP

how much more evidence do shitheads like fulchrum need to accept that she was the worst goddamn candidate that the democrats have ever run in the history of the party

LGD posted:

reminder that she only won her NY senate seat because Giuliani dropped out and was replaced with a no-name Republican and she still underperformed Gore by 5 points

she has never, ever been good at winning elections

people got real mad when you pointed this out though

Fulchrum posted:

That guy who lost to her in the primary must be absolutely terrible then.

Fulchrum posted:

That guy who lost to her in the primary must be absolutely terrible then.

Fulchrum posted:

That guy who lost to her in the primary must be absolutely terrible then.

LGD posted:

thank you for demonstrating my last point so succinctly

Baloogan posted:

we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death

logikv9 posted:

if bernie sanders is all the dems have then they're grade A hosed. obama's 8 years allowed the rot of the dem establishment to stay hidden and hide the fact that hey you can't have obama forever

this probably clears the way for cory booker though because some dems might just see him as obama 2.0, although you might have luck tying a progressive agenda to him, lol if you wanted ideological purity

Fulchrum posted:

That guy who lost to her in the primary must be absolutely terrible then.

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logikv9 posted:

if bernie sanders is all the dems have then they're grade A hosed. obama's 8 years allowed the rot of the dem establishment to stay hidden and hide the fact that hey you can't have obama forever

this probably clears the way for cory booker though because some dems might just see him as obama 2.0, although you might have luck tying a progressive agenda to him, lol if you wanted ideological purity

Vox Nihili posted:

punk rebel ecks posted:

Can't believe it took me so long to come across this:
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/796433124175605760

Not a Step posted:

I think when the history books get written and we have a few decades between us and the current years, Obama is going to go down in the books as a middling President mostly known for his oratory style and personal campaign prowess, who accomplished remarkably little while overseeing the expansion of the state security apparatus and the further destruction of the working class. It will be noted that the Democratic Party further collapsed at all levels, as his abilities did not extend to any other candidates running. I'm hoping his historic achievement as first black President becomes less and less meaningful as time goes on.

I'm not saying Obama is a *bad* President, but I don't think he's getting a monument any time soon.

docbeard posted:

And if Gary Johnson hadn't run, she'd have lost Minnesota too, which is a lot more damning than any of the above.

docbeard posted:

Like, I'm happy to hold voting for Jill Stein against people in general, because you could have supported a more effective candidate by simply setting your ballot on fire. But let's be realistic here.

quote:

The biggest drop was here in District 15, a stretch of fading wooden homes, sandwich shops and fast-food restaurants that is 84 percent black. In this district, voter turnout declined by 19.5 percent from 2012 figures, according to Neil Albrecht, executive director of the City of Milwaukee Election Commission. It is home to some of Milwaukee’s poorest residents and, according to a 2015 documentary, “Milwaukee 53206,” has one of the nation’s highest per-capita incarceration rates.

At Upper Cutz, a bustling barbershop in a green-trimmed wooden house, talk of politics inevitably comes back to one man: Barack Obama. Mr. Obama’s elections infused many here with a feeling of connection to national politics they had never before experienced. But their lives have not gotten appreciably better, and sourness has set in.

“We went to the beach,” said Maanaan Sabir, 38, owner of the Juice Kitchen, a brightly painted shop a few blocks down West North Avenue, using a metaphor to describe the emotion after Mr. Obama’s election. “And then eight years happened.”

All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself.

“I’m so numb,” said Jahn Toney, 45, who had written in Mr. Sanders. He said no president in his lifetime had done anything to improve the lives of black people, including Mr. Obama, whom he voted for twice. “It’s like I should have known this would happen. We’re worse off than before.”

But Mr. Obama did do something important: “He did give black people something to aspire to. That’s a lot. I’m happy my son was able to see a black president.”

Mr. Fleming, 47, who has been trimming hair, beards and mustaches for 30 years, had hoped his small business would get easier to run. But it hasn’t.

“Give us loans, or a 401(k),” he said, trimming the mustache of Steve Stricklin, a firefighter from the neighborhood. His biggest issue was health insurance. Mr. Fleming lost his coverage after his divorce three years ago and has struggled to find a policy he could afford. He finally found one, which starts Monday but costs too much at $300 a month.

“Ain’t none of this been working,” he said. He did not vote.

punk rebel ecks posted:

Can't believe it took me so long to come across this:
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/796433124175605760

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

if the democratic party cannot have it no one can

docbeard posted:

Well, I mean, if it's gonna work out as 'Democrats win or the world burns' anyway, why fight it?

punk rebel ecks posted:

Can't believe it took me so long to come across this:
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/796433124175605760

Baloogan posted:

thge metric system is a loving lie, a pipe in canada might be labeled "1500mm" ID on a loving engineer diraagram but its really irl 1524mm because 1500mm==59inches and really its 60inch pipe which is 1524mm

and if u lay pipe thats "1500mm" ID its really 60 inch pipe because your loving PIPE GOTTA BE THE SAME ID OR ELSE your hosed so everything is a LIE A loving LIE AND ITS ALL BUSLL AISUHROUAGSGO poo poo

so the matric system is a lie
just another lie in our horrible system
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death

Condiv posted:

cause the dems wanted it that way and pushed for it to be that way?

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i can't believe our first black president didn't legalize weed

choom gang indeed

docbeard posted:

The Democrats didn't actually make the Republicans be super-evil, they just failed to provide a better argument than 'hey, the Republicans are super-evil, vote for us instead for, uh, some reason'.

You can hate Hillary Clinton and think she ran a lovely campaign (I don't, and do, respectively) without accusing her of making it always winter and never Christmas in Narnia.

docbeard posted:

The Democrats didn't actually make the Republicans be super-evil, they just failed to provide a better argument than 'hey, the Republicans are super-evil, vote for us instead for, uh, some reason'.

You can hate Hillary Clinton and think she ran a lovely campaign (I don't, and do, respectively) without accusing her of making it always winter and never Christmas in Narnia.

Mirthless posted:

honestly still stunned by this one

how we managed to make it eight years without any significant move towards federal legalization I will never know

Condiv posted:

no, hillary specifically adopted a strategy to radicalize the right-wing:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/796222841612042240?lang=en

she wanted a captive electorate

Rand alPaul posted:

I had a dream that I met Bernie so many times he remembered my name. He was at a movie theater and got up and started lecturing during the movie. Everyone applauded and he was dressed like Vladimir Lenin.

LGD posted:

reminder that she only won her NY senate seat because Giuliani dropped out and was replaced with a no-name Republican and she still underperformed Gore by 5 points

she has never, ever been good at winning elections

people got real mad when you pointed this out though

Lactose Is Wack posted:

drat I cannot wait for cable news to go down in flames