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Grand Fromage posted:They didn't do any writing as far as I know, JMS just thought it'd be a good idea to hire a duo to play the duo. I really liked that their humor wasn't funny since humor is so culturally linked, jokes from the future probably wouldn't work for us. The jokes not making sense to humans in this era was indeed entirely intentional for that reason. I don't know if they did much changing, but they did change it so that Zooty spoke using his machine to keep up Teller's schtick of never speaking on camera.
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I'm finally watching the Penn and Teller episode of Babylon 5. I always just skipped this episode. Five minutes in, and apparently the Day of the Dead is an alien holiday. -edit whoops, didn't notice people were already discussing it.
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# ? Nov 5, 2016 20:43 |
I did like how they ended it kind of with a Steven Universe style "Hey don't worry, this isn't really canon "
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# ? Nov 5, 2016 22:21 |
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It's like Swedish meatballs: every civilization has its own Day of the Dead.
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# ? Nov 5, 2016 22:25 |
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Data Graham posted:I did like how they ended it kind of with a Steven Universe style "Hey don't worry, this isn't really canon " You know besides the laying the seeds for a betrayal
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# ? Nov 5, 2016 22:49 |
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:After the flash of light in "sleeping in light" the rest of the episode gets me. And then after that last shot I go back and watch the in-the-future part of the s4 season ender. Because it means more after seeing the end. poo poo, I remember the first time that episode premiered in the UK, it was on at something ridiculous like two AM, and I had the first of my GCSE exams the next morning. Still watched it, and I still get misty eyed thinking back.
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# ? Nov 6, 2016 19:16 |
Na'toth is back This show sure does just roll with every actor availability curveball it gets thrown, huh?
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# ? Nov 7, 2016 18:27 |
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That was the original actress too, not the replacement right?
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# ? Nov 7, 2016 19:36 |
quote:She was played by Julie Caitlin Brown in the first season (a last-minute casting change after Susan Kellerman walked off the set). Due to problems with the extensive makeup and prosthetics required to turn her into a Narn, Brown did not reprise her role for the second season of the series; similar problems had caused the departure of Susan Kellerman and, earlier, of Mary Woronov as Ko'Dath, who was to have been a regular character. For the second season, Brown was replaced by Mary Kay Adams. Executive producer J. Michael Straczynski quickly became dissatisfied with Adams' more understated approach to the role, and Na'Toth was written out of the series after appearing in two more episodes. Brown returned to reprise the role in the fifth-season episode "A Tragedy of Telepaths". And because she was the actress JMS preferred due to her flamboyance, she spent this entire episode shell-shocked and barely spoke any lines above a whisper :iamafag:
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# ? Nov 7, 2016 19:50 |
"The Corps is Mother, the Corps is Father": Jesus, I hope there's more to this season than this tedious telepath poo poo, because goddamn. I thought it would have been over with Byron but I guess not. Bester's always fun to watch, but it only goes so far
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# ? Nov 9, 2016 13:29 |
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You're past all the rough stuff now
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# ? Nov 9, 2016 14:51 |
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I remember back in the day, JMS would post a lot on Usenet boards and argue with people who said someone like President Clark could never rise to power, fascism couldn't possibly take over again, especially after another 200 years of progress, etc... He would say that there's always the potential for it, point to several examples from history and say how it's a slow process of politicians seeding doubt and fear, and that it's not like a fascist dictator was simply elected overnight. Welp... DrBouvenstein fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:I remember back in the day, JMS would post a lot on Usenet boards and argue with people who said someone like President Clark could never rise to power, fascism couldn't possibly take over again, especially after another 200 years of progress, etc... God drat it not here too.
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# ? Nov 9, 2016 16:36 |
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Deakul posted:God drat it not here too.
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# ? Nov 9, 2016 16:56 |
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Deakul posted:God drat it not here too. B5 has a lot of politics in it, it's not exactly surprising.
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# ? Nov 9, 2016 17:12 |
Tsaedje posted:You're past all the rough stuff now drat, you weren't kidding with this. "And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder" is another one of those really superbly put together pieces, really nicely written and nicely directed. Good framing device, beginning and ending with the candle, and all the really pretty deep focus camera work in those scenes. And then later an up-shot on Londo's hair as he watches the ships fly overhead, lol. Drunky Garibaldi is a surprisingly good subplot, in fact it would have felt really lame and unfinished if the show had finished out without addressing that part of his personality. He also seems like he'd be a fun guy to get a pizza with, wouldn't have called that; would have thought he'd be the mean drunk type B5 has so drat many of these scenery-chewing British villains, but where on earth did they dig up that guy who plays the Centauri minister? drat but in a show full of punchable faces, he somehow manages to rise above. And on that same subject, what is it with the audio mix in this show for the quiet close-up scenes where characters really chew over these lines? G'Kar especially, but also all these one-off guys with the voices you just want to eat with a knife and fork. The enunciation their mike setup somehow picks up is just otherworldly. The show makes me want to take voice acting lessons just to learn how to deliver a line like "I didn't say anything " and make it sound like reciting scripture What's up with the title on this one, though? Is it a quote from something? Sounds really pretentious if it's just made up to sound like one.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 21:20 |
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Data Graham posted:What's up with the title on this one, though? Is it a quote from something? Sounds really pretentious if it's just made up to sound like one. Straczynski never missed an opportunity to be pretentious or crawl up his own rear end.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 22:34 |
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King Doom posted:poo poo, I remember the first time that episode premiered in the UK, it was on at something ridiculous like two AM, and I had the first of my GCSE exams the next morning. Still watched it, and I still get misty eyed thinking back. In fact, Channel 4 decided it would be a great idea if the final five episodes were shown on weekday mornings in the middle of The Big Breakfast. Because what everyone wanted to hear was Johnny Vaughan and a house full of people talking very loudly over the end credits. After many complaints they ran them again...in the 1pm graveyard slot. Season 5 really did kicked around the schedules as I remember. They didn't know what to with it. At one point it was on at lunchtime on a Sunday.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 01:15 |
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So I'm planning on introducing a friend of mine to bab5 this weekend with a couple of episodes. Going to show him the Babylon 4 episode in season 1 but would like to follow it up with a season 2 episode. Anyone have a good suggestion for one? Preferably one that doesn't involve earth's slow descent to fascism and the civil war as I want him to go into those parts blind. Willing to bend that rule however. Mostly just want an episode that'll leave him with more questions then answers. Vord fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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I don't remember the name of the episode but the one with Morden going around asking everyone what they want might be a good S2 choice.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 10:59 |
Grand Fromage posted:I don't remember the name of the episode but the one with Morden going around asking everyone what they want might be a good S2 choice. That's S1. A lot of the S2 episodes I think about recommending have a lot of answers. Points of Departure, In the Shadow of, The Long Twilight Struggle, Fall of Night (which was the first episode I saw)... I think I'd recommend The Coming Of Shadows. It won a Hugo, after all.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 11:07 |
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I'd go with The Long Twilight Struggle, myself. G'kar's speech about freedom is memorable and stirring and yet he manages to deliver it without outright devouring too much of the scenery. I don't remember if the scene between Vir and G'kar in the elevator is in the same episode or not ("Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.") but it's always been one of my favorite scenes in the series and is also worth showing.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 11:49 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't remember the name of the episode but the one with Morden going around asking everyone what they want might be a good S2 choice. Signs and portents, and I agree with you, it's the first episode 1 to really advance the plot and it received good ratings,.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 11:52 |
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Milky Moor posted:That's S1. Oh really? Well, I still might go with that instead of a S2 one then. That sets up a ton of mysteries and should intrigue a new viewer.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 11:53 |
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Maelstache posted:In fact, Channel 4 decided it would be a great idea if the final five episodes were shown on weekday mornings in the middle of The Big Breakfast. Because what everyone wanted to hear was Johnny Vaughan and a house full of people talking very loudly over the end credits. While they did gently caress up with the final 5 episodes of Season 5, they did make up for it by starting a repeat run of the entire series late night on Sundays!
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 13:10 |
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Thanks for all the quick suggestions everyone butGrand Fromage posted:I don't remember the name of the episode but the one with Morden going around asking everyone what they want might be a good S2 choice. Angry Lobster posted:Signs and portents, and I agree with you, it's the first episode 1 to really advance the plot and it received good ratings,. One more question now. Could someone please think of a good title for ? So far all I can think of is "It's a strange thing, but every sentient race has its own version of these menthol lights." But I'm not real sure about that one.
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 14:21 |
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I have no specific idea but in this picture he looks like he'd be right at home in a B5 version of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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# ? Nov 11, 2016 15:24 |
Vord posted:Thanks for all the quick suggestions everyone but Step one: twirl mustache Step two: eloquence Step three: ???? Step four: prophet! Step one could also be "chew scenery"
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Zaroff posted:While they did gently caress up with the final 5 episodes of Season 5, they did make up for it by starting a repeat run of the entire series late night on Sundays! Except for the fact that they didn't want to cough up for the repeat rights for Season 4 & 5, so the repeat run stopped dead after the cliffhanger ending of Za'ha'Dum Still, at least we got to see Crusade! Maelstache fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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One thing that bugs me about Babylon 5 is that Sheridan never bothers to warn Londo about the evil mind control parasite aliens. This is despite Franklin and Marcus encountering one on Mars. He can't even make a connection between them and the Centauri attacking shipping lines.
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# ? Nov 12, 2016 03:25 |
"Objects in Motion": Okay, so it feels like they're kinda just running out the clock here? I mean, I rather enjoy the idea of a space sci-fi serial show that doesn't end in a vast climactic sturm-und-drang cacophony of interstellar war, where instead you just get people gradually saying goodbye and bowing out of the story. But it's taking so long to get through the end of everyone's arcs (and Londo's is just going to... end there, is it? With the spider on his neck and everything?) that it feels like JMS was just kind of sick of all the meta drama of dragging this thing back and forth across the finish line and wanted it to go away. One thing I still think I'm missing: right before Londo got the spider, what was the transmission he triggered? Why didn't the Drakh notice and take action? As far as I can tell it just alerted Sheridan that something mysterious was going on in the upper echelons of Centauri politics and they should draw unclear conclusions from it, and good thing those conclusions were "don't blow everything up". But I thought that transmission was supposed to be more of a chessmaster disarm move on Londo's part, something a bit more significant to the story? The wiki barely even mentions it.
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# ? Nov 14, 2016 23:50 |
"Objects at Rest": Ah, okay then. And hahahahahaha in the end Lennier couldn't deal with Delenn being with That rear end in a top hat the Football Team Captain. First Marcus, now Lennier; are the Rangers just the Interstellar Brotherhood of the Fedora or what? Christ, this thing's going to end up with more finales than Return of the King
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 02:52 |
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Data Graham posted:"Objects in Motion": Okay, so it feels like they're kinda just running out the clock here? You saw the end of his story when Sheridan got unstuck in time. This is just how it got there.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 06:28 |
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The other part of Londo's story is in the Centauri Prime novel trilogy, which sadly is difficult to find these days.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 06:59 |
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:The other part of Londo's story is in the Centauri Prime novel trilogy, which sadly is difficult to find these days. It's also terrible, don't bother trying to track it down.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 07:01 |
Welp, "Sleeping in Light"—yeah, that does get you right here, doesn't it? Again, props for the stunt of there not being really any actual story there—just a curtain call. That probably counts as pretty avant-garde now that every drama series has to end on a huge climax, and won't take the time to spend an entire episode just being sentimental. Walter White's gotta go out in a blaze of glory. The Colonials have got to find Earth. Even TNG had stakes in its finale. This was just pure indulgence. And hey, it earned it. I wonder if Howard Shore was listening to this soundtrack when he was writing the ending music for LotR, though.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 18:35 |
Hahaha holy gently caress, what the hell is this garbage music in "A Call to Arms" Evan H. Chen... what happened to Christopher Franke?
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 04:21 |
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Data Graham posted:Hahaha holy gently caress, what the hell is this garbage music in "A Call to Arms" Whatever it is, it's everywhere in Crusade.
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# ? Nov 21, 2016 16:15 |
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Completely missed this, but Ron Thornton is dead at 59: http://deadline.com/2016/11/ron-thornton-dead-vfx-babylon-5-star-trek-emmy-1201858946/ The CG on B5 is the reason I know how to texture, model and animate. It's hard to explain just how visually striking and exciting B5's FX were back in the 90s.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 15:10 |
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mojo1701a posted:Whatever it is, it's everywhere in Crusade. So is it just me, or is Crusade like, really bad. I'm two episodes in and first of all the music makes me want to slit my throat, but also there's just weird as gently caress pacing and characterization issues, and I don't just mean Bill Lumbergh as captain (lol).
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